No Man's Land Boats

[Tanbark Spanker]

The Beetle built boat in Chapelle's ASSC fig. 63 looks like a nice beach cruiser. Could anyone share some insight into the characteristics of these boats boats? The Delano boats look good too.

Might one of these boats make a good camp cruiser for coastal waters ...with the occassional 3000-4000 mi. open ocean crossing?

Hey, at seventeen feet, it's quite the sea boat!

[Tanbark Spanker]

http://www.reddspondboatworks.com/rpb_newconstruction.html

[Thad]

Speaking of which: I wish I had more experience sailing the boat. It certainly was fun to build. When embarking on the interior arrangement the inside expanse of the hull invited consideration of different installations. The boat as built weighed maybe 300#, complete, and would appreciate some ballast. Being a wee teacup of powerful sections she might do the ocean crossing but might well be done as cargo for the coastal cruising to come. When Blackburn and his ilk were sailing the Atlantic in the 19th century most who survived took on provisions from passing ships, of which there are far fewer these days. I only sailed in her once and the only things I ever heard about sailing her were like this, "I had the best sail of my life!" I heard that a couple of times.

[Tanbark Spanker]

Amazing. You'll notice the builder at Redd's Pond is using only three molds. Fantastic! Kid's, do not try this at home! The Delano boat looks a little more tame, with more freeboard and less beam. I think they would both be very nice beach camping cruisers.

"...don't make it look too pretty, or someone will want it!" Old crusty boat builder, 1997.

[Thad]

The shape is all in the planks, you know, and with fewer molds fastening is much easier.

[sv Lorelei]

Not too far removed from the Block Island Double Enders which share a lot of the same European bloodlines no doubt. Probably would benefit from the addition of some well placed weight for ballast. Reputed to be good passagemakers though not speed demons with lots and lots of reserve boyancy in those deep V hulls and an easier build that most "modern" boats to boot. Great pics... have me longing for spring!

[Tanbark Spanker]

http://www.galleryone.com/images/mays/mays_-_block_island_boat_beaching.JPG

[Tanbark Spanker]

The cows are my favorite part of this painting, honest.

[Barry]

Plans are available here. http://www.by-the-sea.com/bakerboatworks/pdf/sailboats20feet.pdf
Two versions the "Cleveland's" and the "Orca".
Mrs Baker is Bob Baker's widow. She's has to be in her mid to late eighties now, but still maintains his plans. He's a legend around where I grew up. Got to meet him as a kid. Nice boats. I have a set of plans for the "Cleveland's" for future consideration. Some other nice boat plans from Baker Boatworks here:http://www.by-the-sea.com/bakerboatworks/

[StevenBauer]

http://www.galleryone.com/images/mays/mays_-_block_island_boat_beaching.JPG

Tanbark, great picture. I wasn't sure if you realized that the Thad that's posting on this thread is the same Thad who is Reddspond Boatworks and the builder of the No Man's Land Boat. :)

Steven

[Rick Starr]

Lately I'm fascinated by these designs. Excellent post and followups, everyone.

It would be interesting to do an informal analysis between the nomansland boat, delano, mackinaw boat, block island cowhorn, and all modern iterations like the caledonia yawl, etc.

[Ben Fuller]

At the Apprenticeshop in the 80s they had a nice Noman's land boat derivative designed by Spaulding Dunbar. It was a popular Penobscot cruiser. I think she was called Amy and I think got sold to the people who had her built then turned her over to the shop.

Noman's land and Block Island boats don't share much other than a rig. The Block Islanders are much bigger with a seriously V'd hull to take ballast and no centerboard. Noman's land boats are much smaller no ballasted boats that are designed to be beached easily.

Both would be considerably heavier than the new generation of cat ketch boats: the ones that are glued instead of mechanically fastened.

[Hwyl]

There's one of these that does day sails out of Ogunquit Maine

http://www.finestkindcruises.com/imgs/cricket.jpg

It's this operation http://www.finestkindcruises.com/. If you were serious about one of these it would be worth a trip to Maine to sail on her.

I've sailed "Cricket" on 5 or 6 occasions. She's a great boat and moves amazingly well in light airs, is very stable and predictable.

I would not want to cross an ocean in her.

I think that "modifying" her would ruin her attributes.

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

The cows are my favorite part of this painting, honest.

Only somebody raised in Iowa would bother to correct you and note that in fact they are oxen. Sorry, now about the boat...

[Tanbark Spanker]

I just added a house on the Orca drawing. Looks great. Runs from the coaming forward of the mast to the mizzen. Sort of curves aound into the cockpit coaming. Added a little valance to the cockpit coaming under the tiller. Very jaunty. two potlights per side. A bit of side deck. Big companionway hatch. Looks like a catboat. Will try to post picture.

[Tanbark Spanker]

http://www.marinebrokerage.com/cgi-bin/pix.cgi/20nomanslandktch

Wow! Is this neat? Wow!

[Rick Starr]

http://www.marinebrokerage.com//info/data/20nomanslandktch.jpg

Beauty! I'd like one, please.

[mike hanyi]

the wybenga family in Holland built an interesting no mans land boat with unique rig, which stows away around the gunwales when rowing- they were very satisfied with it as a family touring boat
here are some pics
http://www.kolumbus.fi/raidfinland/RF02/RF02B.htm

there was an article in watercraft many years ago about it.

the masts mount in hinged buckets, like mounting a tube on a hinge
mike

[Clinton B Chase]

Just found this b/c I wanted to see what a No Man's Land Boat looked like..great photos in here. Can't wait to see Tom Jackson's boat this August.

Cheers,
Clint

[rbgarr]

Ben Fuller mentioned the Spaulding Dunbar No Man's Land boat Amy. She's the white boat in this photo:
http://i26.tinypic.com/ohr7ms.jpg

[OEX]

OK everyone---what is this? here is a thread about it---- herehttp://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?t=114306
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4612109825_4b9cfc5d63_o.jpg

[hbur]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lWZrxXnk8TY/TBY-1SK6lWI/AAAAAAAAAM8/xOOcVfO6hBI/s1600/IMG_2967.JPG
This one was redesigned last summer at the Burnham yard

[Eric Hvalsoe]

Thad,
I might have guessed your hull weighed more than 300 lbs - was this with CB, interior finished (minus rig)? Did she require interior ballast to sit on her lines?

[Thad]

The 300# weight. I know that two of us (me and another, one on each end) picked it up, and I don't think I would have been able to pick up 150#. The board might not have been in her at the time (removable, on a cast hanger as shown in ASSC) but she was finished. I'm she could have taken inside ballast, but the only picture I have of her sailing has three aboard, she's sitting only a little high, and sailed fine. A little more weight would not have hurt.

[Yeadon]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lWZrxXnk8TY/TBY-1SK6lWI/AAAAAAAAAM8/xOOcVfO6hBI/s1600/IMG_2967.JPG
This one was redesigned last summer at the Burnham yard

These are really cool boats. I've wondered about that sharp point on the trailing edge of the rudder. Is this really nominal? Seems like it would be quite a brake, though I suppose most of the tacking ability of this boat comes in the form of waring-off with the help of the ketch rig.





http://www.galleryone.com/images/mays/mays_-_block_island_boat_beaching.JPG

Tanbark, great picture. I wasn't sure if you realized that the Thad that's posting on this thread is the same Thad who is Reddspond Boatworks and the builder of the No Man's Land Boat. :)

Steven

What a great painting. And yes, nice oxen!