1905 Herreschoff "Peggy"

[bholderman]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1905-34-GAFF-RIGGED-SLOOP-HERRESHOFF-SAILBOAT_W0QQitemZ250061028642QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6 3731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[sawcutmill]

They only want $ 125,000.00 ! a large sum to pay for a daysailer.I wish the guy Rostsa Ruck.Stephen

[rbgarr]

The Herreshoff contract records don't show any 34' keel sailboats contracted for or built in 1904 or 1905. There were two sailboats with 21' waterlines contracted for in February and March of 1906. I wonder if PEGGY is really a Herreshoff.

It's not uncommon for people to call older boats that have long ends 'a Herreshoff', in the same way people call a photocopy 'a Xerox'.

[uncas]

If ya read the blurb.. nothing is stated.. Looking for someone with too much cash and no idea or experience with boats..
Blurb completely useless. I don't care if Martha Washington sailed on it as a child.

[John B]

It doesn't look like no 34 ft boat to me. I'd say they've got the marina managers/ marketing mans inflationary disease and are including the spars in the length. ( bites tongue to prevent LOA rant slipping out)
So it could be 21 'w/l and maybe 30 ' on deck.

or I could be wrong .

[uncas]

To heck with the size.. minor.. read the speel..... Says absolutely nothing anone who has sailed or powered a boat would expect.
So what if Nancy sat on ther transom.... Whoopeee.....Ron rode horses.... Does that make a horse on the range worth 125,000.00..Not ijn my books.. I say neigh to this whole thing....

[Thad]

I liked the juxtiposition of "as new condition" and "West epoxy inside and out"

[bholderman]

Thanks for the education folks, its appreciated.

[uncas]

Yup.. saw that.. glue... yup..
Now I saw a Friendship sloop.. given to a bost building school amnd redone.. although I have questions.. 1903.... rebuilt 2000 something... Crosby design supposedly for thousands less... on Cannell and Payne... Kinda interesting depending on what the school did.. School was in Newport.. won't say anything more...But no where near 125,000.00

[Noah]

For $125k you could get a real Herreshoff:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatFullDetails.jsp?boat_id=1279873

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/2/7/9/8/1279873_3.jpg

[Steve Paskey]

If you look at the photos carefully, you'll find an article about the *second* time she sank and was raised again.

Another articles says he bought her at auction for $404 and spend $20,000 repairing her. And now he wants $125,000???

It's worth noting that he has a lot of old papers, but not a thing to document his claim that she's a Herreshoff, or that she was built in 1905.

[Lew Barrett]

Steve; I'm with you. I thought it was odd that he even documented that she sank twice. Around here, once is deemed plenty.

[Ian Marchuk]

Another example of how some folks' reality is really great satire.
No bids yet.... hmmmmm , I guess that if it goes down AND comes
back up for the third time it will be worth another 25K.
Silly bugger even posts a bill of sale for 400 dollars.
I hate it when JCSOH lets fly with the BWWWWAAAAHAAAHAAA,
but somehow it seems to fit this listing.


Edited to add the apostrophe .... don't want to attract speeeeling correction....

[rbgarr]

BHolderman,

New information regarding your 'education':

I now see that the listing says she has a 'hull identification number' of 668. If that number is on an original Herreshoff builder's plaque, it may indeed be a Herreshoff.

A Q class boat with that hull number WAS built by HMC in 1907, contract date Jan. 27. LWL 26' 6", beam 7' 10" and draft (keel) 6' 0". She was named "Dorothy L ." and built for Hollis Burgess for $2925. That's $60,000 in 2005 dollars using an online inflation calculator.

So her 100th birthday is coming up this year sometime. That should be worth an extra 65 grand, easy! ;)


Now for the real question:

Does a boat's life begin at the signing of the contract (conception), when the keel is laid (first trimester) or at launch (birth)?

Let the games begin!!

[John B]

Launch.
One of the funny little things thats goes on with boats is that like a car, the builder always wants to claim the newest year, yet as they become old the owners want to claim older . Another wrinkle is claiming the first race as the 'year'.A lot of the local boats are like this.A boat would be launched say Nov 08 but would have 1909 on her tiller head as her first anniversary day race was in feb 09.
My boat is dec 07 but I've often heard her called 1908 .

[Primitive Pete]

Even the most recent pics in the listing appear to be old, and that mainsail appears totally blown out. Wonder how she looks now. Looks like a helluva deal to me.:eek:

[uncas]

I heard a story.. about taxers and boats that has some relevence here..
I don't know what the tax was on.. but back in the early 90's. Maine initiated a new tax on any new boats launched after Jan 1st... of the following year
A particular yard had a boat under construction....throughout the winter and into the spring.. To avoid the tax increases, the yard took the hull which was the only portion finished, launched it on Dec. 31st.. Then pulled it back out and put it back in the shed to continue finishing her. Hence Dec. 31st, although not completed by a long shot, is the date of her birth so to speak.

[WindHawk]

Sunk twice??? Why, I once sank a dinghy three times in one afternoon...

[Steve Paskey]

A Q class boat with that hull number WAS built by HMC in 1907, contract date Jan. 27. LWL 26' 6", beam 7' 10" and draft (keel) 6' 0". She was named "Dorothy L ." and built for Hollis Burgess for $2925.

That may well be it: One of the articles the seller included says that while the boat was built in 1905, she was sold just after New Year's 1907 for the sum of $2925. And the same article gives the beam as 7'10".

[bholderman]

Dave,

This is why I post these kind of things every now and then. Restoriation or buying a fixer-upper classic is something I would like to do sometime in the future. But, I am inexpereienced in the kinds of things to look at and consider. All your guys' repsonses have clued me into those things and its much appreciated.

From my standpoint, there wasn't an actual photo of the boat, all the pics seem to come from a magazaine or book.



BHolderman,

New information regarding your 'education':

I now see that the listing says she has a 'hull identification number' of 668. If that number is on an original Herreshoff builder's plaque, it may indeed be a Herreshoff.

A Q class boat with that hull number WAS built by HMC in 1907, contract date Jan. 27. LWL 26' 6", beam 7' 10" and draft (keel) 6' 0". She was named "Dorothy L ." and built for Hollis Burgess for $2925. That's $60,000 in 2005 dollars using an online inflation calculator.

So her 100th birthday is coming up this year sometime. That should be worth an extra 65 grand, easy! ;)


Now for the real question:

Does a boat's life begin at the signing of the contract (conception), when the keel is laid (first trimester) or at launch (birth)?

Let the games begin!!

[uncas]

bholderman.. For some funny reason.. I can relate.. been there before.. still doing it.... Still finding an old wooden boat to um, live on.. Comes with the territory...
Much ya can learn here.. along with a few naysayers etc...
Kinda fun though....

Naw, I did nbotr like what I read on the ebay site.. Kinda scarey if ya ask me.. Now there is a nice Frienship Sloop Crosby design.. rebuilt by a boat school.. more possibilities but I saw some red flags on that one too.

At least it wasn't 125 grand.. LOL

[NealmCarter]

Speaking of 1905 Herreshoffs..whats happening to the Doris? She was the first boat Nat built to the UniversalRule and when I saw her last, on the hard in New London, she was looking very sad. Has she found a new life or is she firewood?

[S.V. Airlie]

I'm sorry, even with Peggy's history. She isn't worth 125,000.00 unless she is in mint condition. And I don't think that she is.

Then again, I would not expect two pieces of wonder bread with a slice of Am. cheese to go for 28,000.00 either. LOL

[qm]

This makes me very sentimental. When I was 15 on Long Island Sound, I had a22 ft gaff rig sloop with the same profile and called "Lotus". Everyone "called" her a Herrshoff boat, but I always had a feeling about that--beginning to develope my "crap detector". However, she was a wonderfull boat and I wish I knew what happened to her while I was off in the Navy. Lately, I figured out she must have been some kind of "Long Island Shorebird". QM Bob

[earling2]

Any time I see a word like "Herreshoff" and "epoxy" used in the same sentence, I get goosebumps.
And then when I see completely non-informative phrases like "epoxy inside and out" I start to feel faint.
And then when I look at the pictures of the "restored" boat and see that the sheer is still hogged, ever after the epoxification process -- combined with a slew of badly framed, scanned photos of a traditional boat being covered with glue before being structurally corrected and/or stabilized . . .
You gotta wonder.... any bids yet?

[S.V. Airlie]

Hey, that glue is expensive. At least worth 100,000.00 out of the total.
Nope no bids as far as I can tell.

[CGrant]

For $125k you could get a real Herreshoff:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatFullDetails.jsp?boat_id=1279873

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/2/7/9/8/1279873_3.jpg

I must confess, I have lusted after that R boat for some time, now.