Clinton v. McCain in '08

[Another One]

Straw Poll - how would you vote?

Interesting article on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/04/clinton.2008.ap/index.html

[Gonzalo]

The choice is scary. I think both of them would be terrible for the country. We need a president with support from the middle two thirds of the political spectrum.

The right half of the country will despise Hillary no matter what she says or does just because she is Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of those centrists who admire McCain's integrity and his forthrightness in standing up to GW Bush will have a big surprise when they find out what he really stands for, a very activist and interventionist conservative federal government. He will alienate enough people that we'll have the kind of polarized nation that we've had for the last 14 years. We really do need someone who is a "uniter not a divider," and neither McCain or Clinton can do that.

[elf]

McCain is awful - a man whose favorite recreation is shooting things. Just what we need as a society now. Only an order of magnitude worse than the man whose favorite occupation is cutting brush.

Hillary can't win. She's the wrong gender. And she's really just a moderate-ish repug.

Americans will elect a black man before they'll elect a woman.

(And I live in New England.)

[skuthorp]

I refer you to the Southpark episode, "electing the school mascot"
Says it all!!

You know, you're going to have to find a way to make your version of democracy work, at home. And so are we!

[John Bell]

I've got a dollar that says you've got two choices on your poll that will not appear at the top of either ticket. McCain might have a shot at veep, but Hilary, not even that.

[jack grebe]

Great.....a choice between McPain and da Ass:rolleyes: :D

[seanz]

Bump.......

:D

Some forum wisdom from the 'similar threads' box.

[Paul Girouard]

I'd like to buy a few vowels :D

[Hwyl]

Curses, I thought Jaimie was back.

[GoldDogs]

Is that the only choices the KKK lets you make?

[S.V. Airlie]

McCain is awful - a man whose favorite recreating is shooting things. Just what we need as a society now. Only an order of magnitude worse than the man whose favorite occupation is cutting brush.

Hillary can't win. She's the wrong gender. And she's really just a moderate-ish repug.

Americans will elect a black man before they'll elect a woman.

(And I live in New England.)


Elf.. you lost me on the first comment. I am not a hunter but regarding hunting and what hunters do for saving habitat must be taken into account.
A few things.
I am a wildlife biologist educationally. Wildlife Management actually.
I have done autopsies on deer that have starved to death due to over population. You do not want to see the insides of a deer that has been canablizing itself. Not pretty at all.
Hunters founded such organizations as Ducks Unlimited.
The marsh area at the mouth of the CT River was bought and paid for with hunting fees/money to keep it as is.
Teddy R. was a big hunter.. Nothing like having an honest to god park system.

Be fair.

[S/V Laura Ellen]

McCain is a sacrificial candidate. The Republicans know they have no chance of winning the election following the Bush-Cheney tag team. Bush-Cheney will only continue to get alienate the electorate because they have nothing to lose.
The real candidate won't surface until after the election is over and will have 4 years to establish him/her self up before the next election.

[S.V. Airlie]

Curses, I thought Jaimie was back.


Implying that I now know how to post a poll or something else Gareth?

[S.V. Airlie]

McCain is a sacrificial candidate. The Republicans know they have no chance of winning the election following the Bush-Cheney tag team. Bush-Cheney will only continue to get alienate the electorate because they have nothing to lose.
The real candidate won't surface until after the election is over and will have 4 years to establish him/her self up before the next election.

Allan.. I would have agreed 100% with you even two months ago. Now, I just don't know. If the Dems running for president keep stabbing themselves, and if McCain just smiles and desn't say anything.. well, I just don't know.

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Allan.. I would have agreed 100% with you even two months ago. Now, I just don't know. If the Dems running for president keep stabbing themselves, and if McCain just smiles and desn't say anything.. well, I just don't know.

The Dems have done a first rate job sniping at each other, can you imagine the sniping at McCain after the the primaries are over. McCain will fall and fall hard.

[Paul Girouard]

McCain is a sacrificial candidate. The Republicans know they have no chance of winning the election following the Bush-Cheney tag team. Bush-Cheney will only continue to get alienate the electorate because they have nothing to lose.
The real candidate won't surface until after the election is over and will have 4 years to establish him/her self up before the next election.



Humm do you follow USA politics anywhere else but here on WBF?

You may have a slighted view if this is all you got.

Personally I will have a hard time voting for Sen. McCain , been around the hill / capital to long. And I've served with other men who are just like him , Naval aviators. They make good Skippers but they have ego's that are , well large.

I think the country needs new blood / ideas / people , there's only one of those in the current top 3. Plenty of time to change my mind on that , but.................

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Humm do you follow USA politics anywhere else but here on WBF?

You may have a slighted view if this is all you got.

Personally I will have a hard time voting for Sen. McCain , been around the hill / capital to long. And I've served with other men who are just like him , Naval aviators. They make good Skippers but they have ego's that are , well large.

I think the country needs new blood / ideas / people , there's only one of those in the current top 3. Plenty of time to change my mind on that , but.................

So you think I'm wrong?
But you don't support McCain?
So you think that McCain isn't the best candidate the Republicans could have brought forward?
I figure there must be someone in the wings that they are grooming for the next election.

Please watch this.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...most_important (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/poll_bull****_is_most_important)

[S.V. Airlie]

So you think I'm wrong?
But you don't support McCain?
So you think that McCain isn't the best candidate the Republicans could have brought forward?
I figure there must be someone in the wings that they are grooming for the next election.

Please watch this.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...most_important (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/poll_bull****_is_most_important)

Bush owed him for what Bush did to him in 2000.

Seriously though, I can't think of too many Reps coming up who would want to run for president. There might be one or two but...

[Paul Girouard]

So you think I'm wrong?

But you don't support McCain?

So you think that McCain isn't the best candidate the Republicans could have brought forward?

I figure there must be someone in the wings that they are grooming for the next election.




I don't think it's the slam dunk you described in your other post .

No I don't. I'd vote for him over Clinton if that ends up my lesser of evils.

I hope the hell he wasn't the best , but we seldom get the "best" to run for one reason or another.

Maybe? Do you really think after all the crazy $hit that's been posted here the USA will have another election cycle ? Not long ago the majority or maybe the vocal minority thinking , here on WBF , was we would not be having this election:rolleyes: :D

[Paul Girouard]

Please watch this.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...most_important

Yes , that pretty much sums it up in a bull$hit nut shell :D

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Maybe? Do you really think after all the crazy $hit that's been posted here the USA will have another election cycle ? Not long ago the majority or maybe the vocal minority thinking , here on WBF , was we would not be having this election:rolleyes: :D

Are you saying that this will be the last election?
Is that frustration talking, or do you believe that?
The majority (or maybe the vocal minority) that you referred to is a few fringe voices that hardly constitute the views of the forum as a whole.
The US citizen would not stand for a change from the current democratic system (no matter how flawed it is). They would be "as mad as Hell, and we aren't going to take it anymore".

[Hwyl]

Implying that I now know how to post a poll or something else Gareth?

No I meant the good looking erudite Jaimie (Huisjen)

[S.V. Airlie]

No I meant the good looking erudite Jaimie (Huisjen)

Ah.. that's why my name was spelled incorrectly Gareth. You made a bigger mess of it than Lefty does.:D;)

[Hwyl]

Ah.. that's why my name was spelled incorrectly Gareth. You made a bigger mess of it than Lefty does.:D;)

I did not spell your name incorrectly. I spelled Jaimie's (Another one) correctly.

Do you use the same theory when you go to the bank. "I know this cheque says Rockefeller, but it's just Johnson misspelled".

[S.V. Airlie]

I did not spell your name incorrectly. I spelled Jaimie's (Another one) correctly.

Do you use the same theory when you go to the bank. "I know this cheque says Rockefeller, but it's just Johnson misspelled".

Obviously you did not spell my name incorrectly. I had originally thought you were addressing me and I was commenting on your post as to whom you were referring to. No you did not spell Jaimie's name incorrectly.

Now regarding my last name. Now that is not correct...:p;)

[StevenBauer]

I wonder if anyone who voted above 2 years ago would change their vote now?


Steven

[Paul Girouard]

Are you saying that this will be the last election?
Is that frustration talking, or do you believe that?
The majority (or maybe the vocal minority) that you referred to is a few fringe voices that hardly constitute the views of the forum as a whole.
The US citizen would not stand for a change from the current democratic system (no matter how flawed it is). They would be "as mad as Hell, and we aren't going to take it anymore".



No I was saying the WBF vocals had said that.

But I could be frustrated about politics , who isn't :confused:

[Paul Girouard]

I wonder if anyone who voted above 2 years ago would change their vote now?


Steven

For President :confused: Ah maybe that's why you think your vote didn't count :D

[S/V Laura Ellen]

For President :confused: Ah maybe that's why you think your vote didn't count :D

That was cheeky!:rolleyes:

[Tylerdurden]

I am so surprised that out of all these so called smart people you all still buy into that electing any of these idiots will change anything.
31 flavors except its all melted so its just the same ****e combined.

I am pretty sure its because most of you are comfortable and haven't really had to confront the thought that you are an easy suckers bet.

Hail to the new boss same as the old boss. You will all get whats coming to you. To bad its going to take the rest of us too.

[elf]

One of the three available people is not an idiot.

[Phillip Allen]

McCain is awful - a man whose favorite recreation is shooting things. Just what we need as a society now. Only an order of magnitude worse than the man whose favorite occupation is cutting brush.

Hillary can't win. She's the wrong gender. And she's really just a moderate-ish repug.

Americans will elect a black man before they'll elect a woman.

(And I live in New England.)

Elf, you really need to re-think what you're saying..."likes to shoot things" sounds like ignorant hippy talk

Hillary is not the wrong gender...an excuse in the making

just because one can find a racist, and he/she may be white...does not mean all whites are racists...Think Nelson Mendela...some of us may have (like I did) watched as Mendela walked out of prison and felt like something good and wonderful happened

[S/V Laura Ellen]

One of the three available people is not an idiot.

None of them are idiots.
They are all very capable people in their own right (maybe not as President). It all comes down to who the three surround themselves with and whether they listen or not.

[Saltiguy]

A.B.C.

Anybody but Clinton!

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Sorry, ladie. Ain't gonna' happen. Or, at least, it is highly improbable. It would take a very big gaff to knock Obama out of the race.
As a Democrat I would not hesitate to vote for Hillary. She's ten times smarter than that oaf from Midland.
Her shortcoming is that she rubs a lot of people the wrong way and if she won it would probably no be by much. My side wants to put up a candidate that can poll above the margins of error.

[jimmy lee]

I can see right through Hillary! She wants because, She just wants. Well, want died. That is My humble oppinion!

[Tom Montgomery]

It seems to me the choice is between the nation continuing on the present course (McCain) or charting a different course (whoever the Democratic candidate may be).

Anyone who thinks a McCain administration would represent a clear break from the Bush/Cheney policies is deluding himself.

[huisjen]

My sister's name is Jami.

[Hwyl]

My sister's name is Jami.

Thanks Dan, she's missed, and she is much more erudite than Uncas/Airlie

[huisjen]

I'll let her know. :)

[Paul Girouard]

Hehe I guess that name speellin thing pretty much sums up this debate , and it's right on line with most political threads , in that everyone , almost , involved , or not so involved, had most of it ( insert what ever the "it" would be here) wrong :D

[abbyj]

Lagspiller and Peter can't vote. It's a tied race.:D

[StevenBauer]

For President :confused: Ah maybe that's why you think your vote didn't count :D


I'm not sure what you're saying here, Paul. I was referring to the fact that this thread was started in 2006, and I was just wondering if anyone has changed their vote in that time.


Steven

[Bob Adams]

I'm not sure what you're saying here, Paul. I was referring to the fact that this thread was started in 2006, and I was just wondering if anyone has changed their vote in that time.


Steven

I'll be. It was started in 06. All this time, same BS:p

[LeeG]

and look what happened,,the third option won!

[Paul Girouard]

I'm not sure what you're saying here, Paul. I was referring to the fact that this thread was started in 2006, and I was just wondering if anyone has changed their vote in that time.


Steven

I didn't notice that , as Gilda used to say " Never mind!" :o My bad :DOr was it Jane Curtain :confused:

[LeeG]

Rosannadanna

[Paul Girouard]

Rosannadanna



She was a Gilda Radner character then IIRC.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilda_Radner&action=edit&section=6)] Saturday Night Live (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Live)

Radner first rose to recognition as one of the original "Not Ready For Prime Time Players (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Ready_For_Prime_Time_Players)" at the onset of Saturday Night Live. She was the first actor cast for the show.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda_Radner#_note-obit) Between 1975 and 1980, she created such characters as Roseanne Roseannadanna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Roseannadanna), an obnoxious woman with wild black hair who would tell stories about the gross habits of celebrities on the show's "Weekend Update (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_Update)" news segment, inspired in name and appearance by Rose Ann Scamardella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Ann_Scamardella), a news anchor at WABC-TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WABC-TV) in New York City. Other SNL characters included "Baba Wawa," a spoof of Barbara Walters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Walters), exaggerating the latter's apparent difficulty at enunciating the letter "R"; and Emily Litella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Litella), an elderly woman who gave angry and misinformed editorial replies on "Weekend Update (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_Update)" on topics such as "violins on television," the "Eagle Rights Amendment," "presidential erections" and "protecting endangered feces."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda_Radner#_note-obit) Once corrected on her misunderstanding, Litella would end her segment with a polite "Never mind"; or later on, she would answer Jane Curtin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Curtin)'s frustration with a simple "Bitch!" Radner also parodied such celebrities as Lucille Ball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_Ball), Patti Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Smith), and Olga Korbut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Korbut) during SNL sketches

Yup , good ole Google , SNL was great show back then.

[Another One]

Curses, I thought Jaimie was back.

Thanks for the Happy Thought, Gareth. I didn't mean to wander away - but in the words of Calvin & Hobbs, "The days are just packed." I do try to keep the blog updated, though there isn't much boat- (or bilge-)related comment there.

And interesting how this thread has matured, eh?

Jami

[Rigadog]

I'm voting for McNugget. Absolutely delicious.

[BrianW]

I wonder if anyone who voted above 2 years ago would change their vote now?


Steven

During the big Senate election?... No.

I do wonder what some folks who expected change think.

[BrianW]

McCain is awful - a man whose favorite recreation is shooting things.

That's a silly quantifier. I can accept that 'fact' and still vote for him.