Let's say I break into your house. [Archive]

few3

11-14-2006, 06:04 PM

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say,"I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits
to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

*The author of this letter is unknown. One suggested source is "The Ledger" in Lakeland, Florida. Another connects the initials B.M. the work. Neither myself, nor my affiliates are trying to present this as an original work by FEW3 for " Thread initiation " in the Bilge of the WBF. This article may or may not cause diarrhea, constipation, erectile dysfunction, depression, mania, increased or decreased sex drive, or liberalism, or conservatism. If you have any of these symptons as a result of this article, call your doctor and seek psychiatric intervention because you are f'ing nuts.

"Tie up the libertine in a field of feasts"
W.S.

uncas

11-14-2006, 06:05 PM

I think this is called Squatter's Rights.

Chris Coose

11-14-2006, 06:07 PM

You ought to give credit for the rip.

Donn

11-14-2006, 06:11 PM

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

Let's say I shoot you when I discover you in my house, and throw your carcass on my compost heap. In 6 months, there will be nothing left of you but jewelry, fillings and several #6 pellets.

uncas

11-14-2006, 06:17 PM

Hey Donn.. Could ya stay in my house say between April and Nov.?
You will have to bring your gun along and I don't have a compost heap but I figured you can create one.... Nice fenced in yard for Red.. although I suspect the fence I have won't keep a PWD in... :)

Milo Christensen

11-14-2006, 06:24 PM

Let's say I break into your house....

Look on the desk in my office, you'll find a better analogy than the one you're using.

LeeG

11-14-2006, 06:25 PM

Does that mean the holy trinity is irrelevant?

Paul Pless

11-14-2006, 06:30 PM

Let's say pigs fly out of GWs ass singing the national anthem

You know, I really don't know how I'd handle that. Is there a place that I could check myself into for having done too much acid years ago?

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 06:31 PM

The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts just elected a governor who is going to provide In-State tuition for illegal immigrants. This will surely lead to lawsuits by out-of state students. On the bright side, Norman and Eleseus will be cracking open their wallets to pay for illegal DaSilva to go to Umass while his wife is popping out an anchor baby. You are so mean spirited, where is the compassion and tolerance? http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1432443)

huisjen

11-14-2006, 06:32 PM

botebum

11-14-2006, 06:36 PM

Ummm... Are ya any good in bed?

Doug

Norman Bernstein

11-14-2006, 06:37 PM

You could probably come up with a more subtle and adept troll, if you really want to discuss the immigration issue. I'll be happy to chat about it with you, if you like.

Donn

11-14-2006, 06:42 PM

OOh. A "Chat with Norman." How cool is that? Maybe PBS or NPR will pick it up.

Bob Adams

11-14-2006, 06:46 PM

Let's say I shoot you when I discover you in my house, and throw your carcass on my compost heap. In 6 months, there will be nothing left of you but jewelry, fillings and several #6 pellets.

My man!

Chris Coose

11-14-2006, 06:48 PM

Just past the 7:30 bell I see.

Dan McCosh

11-14-2006, 06:53 PM

This thread about the US in Iraq?

Bob Adams

11-14-2006, 06:55 PM

This thread about the US in Iraq?

Aren't they all?

Memphis Mike

11-14-2006, 06:55 PM

Just past the 7:30 bell I see.

Naw, I think he stated once that he starts at four on the dot. Everyday.

Norman Bernstein

11-14-2006, 06:56 PM

OOh. A "Chat with Norman." How cool is that? Maybe PBS or NPR will pick it up.

Thank you for your cynical disparagement. Of course, I have nothing valuable to say. You're quite a gentleman, aren't ya?

Donn

11-14-2006, 07:08 PM

Thank you for your cynical disparagement. Of course, I have nothing valuable to say. You're quite a gentleman, aren't ya?

When have I claimed to be a gentleman?

Let's just say I place less value on a chat with you, than you do.

LeeG

11-14-2006, 07:23 PM

When have I claimed to be a gentleman?

Let's just say I place less value on a chat with you, than you do.

once again the Golden Rule smiles upon you.

Peter Malcolm Jardine

11-14-2006, 08:10 PM

Lets say you're a cute little blonde, with a body that won't quit, and you knock on my door and ask if you can cook me dinner, then perform a table dance for dessert, then lead me down the hall to my bedroom and perform the 468 secret positions of a obscure Nymphomaniac society on my body, then clean up the house and go home.

What would I call you?

Darling.

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 08:21 PM

Do not bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain.

Peter Malcolm Jardine

11-14-2006, 08:22 PM

No no... Wait.

Lets say I end up using a bad can of tomatoes for chili one evening, and the botulism doesn't kill me, it just permanently alters my brain.... then I start hearing voices and run out to the shop and start sharpening that old axe I have in the corner... then I find the remnants of a halloween costume in the form of a little bunny rabbit, and I put that on, along with some cheap fishnet stockings I buy at the all night grocery on my way to the local flea market I've heard about in Niagara falls. Upon arriving there, I break into the wax museum and steel the effigy of Joseph Stalin and make my way down the street to the local nudey bar, and jump up on the stage waving the axe and singing Cole Porter songs at the top of my lungs and taking old Joe's clothes off... only to discover that the wax modeler has made him biologically correct, and he's hung like a squirrel. No wonder he was a nasty fella with a winky the size of a number 8 pencil. Then I sell the wax figure to some girl named Desiree that's wide eyed and wasted in the front row, and bolt out the back door. I take a cab to the Maid of the Mist dock and hijack the boat for a midnight tour of the great falls. I crash land at the base of the deteriorating American falls, and climb the cliffs to get a early lumberjack breakfast at the local Denny's. I sneak back across the border, rent a bicycle, and pedal my ass back to Belleville in time to watch the Gerry Springer show that afternoon. I put the axe back in the shop, and take off the fishnets and put on my favourite sleepy pants and make a bacon sandwich. Canadian Bacon that is.

John Bell

11-14-2006, 08:32 PM

I think it's funny how no one wants to address this until they know what it's about. If it's about Iraq? Send 'em packing! If it's about illegal immigration? Aw, let the poor unfortunates stay on...

Send 'em home? Let 'em stay? I'm so confused!

botebum

11-14-2006, 08:32 PM

PETER! What happens next? Inquiring minds and all that. C'mon!? I gotta know!

Doug

Mrleft8

11-14-2006, 08:41 PM

Let's say I break into your house.

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"Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say,"I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house)."
Let's say I break yer nose. While breaking yer nose I shove a piece of bone into yer brain which kills you.
Let's then assume that I dig a hole in my yard with my backhoe, about 15' deep, dump your lifeless body into that hole, and cover you up with dirt.....Then let's assume that I transplant a mature evergreen tree onto that spot......
Would anyone care?

LeeG

11-14-2006, 08:59 PM

canadian bacon. I'm sticking with lox for breakfast.

Mrleft8

11-14-2006, 09:26 PM

Sounds like you have had a bad day :(
No..... This was a particularly good one. On a bad day I'd just throw your bloody corpse onto the highway from an overpass, at rush hour.

72rdstr

11-14-2006, 09:29 PM

Illegal immigration. Send them packing, fine the people hiring them and if yrour illegal child is born here, they can stay but only if adopted by a US citizen and you leave.

Mrleft8

11-14-2006, 09:31 PM

Yer next corvette boy ;)

eleseus

11-14-2006, 09:42 PM

Illegal immigration. Send them packing, fine the people hiring them and if yrour illegal child is born here, they can stay but only if adopted by a US citizen and you leave.

I think it is funny how clearly the lines of this issue are divided on the "white collar/blue collar" spectrum in this country. I had a pretty viscious exchange with my liberal aunt who writes for the Boston Globe--she is a full-time journalist. She couldn't get it through her head that many trades-peoples lively-hoods were being tweaked/threatened by illegal immigrants. I have been way underbid on jobs by companies that can do the work for much cheaper because most of their employees are illegal and work for much less and don't require the extra money in their pay for taxes. Maybe if mexico starts dumping thousands of journalists into this country and taking native's jobs will my dear aunt understand why people are upset and want something done about this? It is ILLEGAL!!! DUH!!!

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 09:42 PM

On a really bad day, he terrorizes small Caribbean islands... :D

Mrleft8

11-14-2006, 09:48 PM

On a really bad day, he terrorizes small Caribbean islands... :D
OK Ferret face.... You want that Butler's tray, or you want to be a part of a Butler's tray? ;)

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 09:50 PM

She couldn't get it through her head that many trades-peoples lively-hoods were being tweaked/threatened by illegal immigrants. I seriously doubt that skilled tradespeople's livlihoods are being threatened. What's being threatened are the "dofus" jobs for the relatively unskilled. No WAY are you going to persuade me that the average frame carpenter is a skilled craftsperson! A finish carpenter on the other hand...

BTW, just how many anglos are dieing to be agricultural field workers, lawn service people or household domestics?

To get work at all, these people have to show documentation, real or forged. To be employed, their employers must withhold taxes whether they pay them to the gov't or not (they do - the very last thing you want to ever happen is to get caught pocketing tax withholdings!). Those illegals therefore do contribute to the cost of goods and services they obtain for, among other things, education and healthcare (and let's face it: the poor in this country are subsidized for those two things at least).

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 09:52 PM

OK Ferret face.... You want that Butler's tray, or you want to be a part of a Butler's tray? ;)Hmmm, that's a hard choice...

If you wait a bit, you can plant an evergreen over me though. ;)

72rdstr

11-14-2006, 09:52 PM

I think it is funny how clearly the lines of this issue are divided on the "white collar/blue collar" spectrum in this country. I had a pretty viscious exchange with my liberal aunt who writes for the Boston Globe--she is a full-time journalist. She couldn't get it through her head that many trades-peoples lively-hoods were being tweaked/threatened by illegal immigrants. I have been way underbid on jobs by companies that can do the work for much cheaper because most of their employees are illegal and work for much less and don't require the extra money in their pay for taxes. Maybe if mexico starts dumping thousands of journalists into this country and taking native's jobs will my dear aunt understand why people are upset and want something done about this? It is ILLEGAL!!! DUH!!!

There are couple of guys on the corvette forum that build tile pools down in FL. One is seriously hurting and the other is going under due to competition from illegals. I'm sure there are others but these guys have posted asking for advice on how to combat it so I'm aware of them.

Peter Malcolm Jardine

11-14-2006, 10:00 PM

Let's assume you get some kind of infection. You know, the kind that doesn't react well to antibiotics, and develops big pustulous open sores on most of your body. Then one day your testicles swell up to be the size of watermelons, and you can't walk anymore, but then the next day they just fall off in a pile of necrotic flesh. Then the gangrene sets into your foot and you watch the blackness start to ease it's way up your leg, until you can't feel anything below your waist. Do you think the guy living in your house would leave then?

skuthorp

11-14-2006, 10:03 PM

It's only since the invention of the nation state that large movements of populations for survival reasons have been temporarily restricted. If 1000 people move you can send them back, if 100,000 move you can absorb them, if 1000,000 or more move then you have no controll at all. And if the climate is changing then this is just the start.
You get South Americans, Europe gets Africans, we'll get Asians though our dry uninhabited north is not the place to land.
On the other hand if it's about Iraq, then we're already pulling out mentally, we just won't admit it yet. Our grandkids will still reap the consequences I fear.

eleseus

11-14-2006, 10:08 PM

I seriously doubt that skilled tradespeople's livlihoods are being threatened. What's being threatened are the "dofus" jobs for the relatively unskilled. No WAY are you going to persuade me that the average frame carpenter is a skilled craftsperson! A finish carpenter on the other hand...

BTW, just how many anglos are dieing to be agricultural field workers, lawn service people or household domestics?

To get work at all, these people have to show documentation, real or forged. To be employed, their employers must withhold taxes whether they pay them to the gov't or not (they do - the very last thing you want to ever happen is to get caught pocketing tax withholdings!). Those illegals therefore do contribute to the cost of goods and services they obtain for, among other things, education and healthcare (and let's face it: the poor in this country are subsidized for those two things at least).

I have seen plenty of illegal Brazilian and Mexican finish carpenters. Same with framing--and contrary to your assertion, framing is not "unskilled" work, and it is a particularly illegal immigrant attractive job. And who the hell told you that these people "have to show documentation"... That made me laugh! You obviously have no experience in the contracting world--let me guess, you work in a cubicle? And I personally know people--assholes-- who pay illegals under the table, tax free, off of the books. So quit lying to yourself.

eleseus

11-14-2006, 10:10 PM

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 10:16 PM

I have seen plenty of illegal Brazilian and Mexican finish carpenters. Same with framing--and contrary to your assertion, framing is not "unskilled" work, and it is a particularly illegal immigrant attractive job. And who the hell told you that these people "have to show documentation"... That made me laugh! You obviously have no experience in the contracting world--let me guess, you work in a cubicle? And I personally know people--assholes-- who pay illegals under the table, tax free, off of the books. So quit lying to yourself.Most framing is relatively unskilled.

Working "under the table" isn't exclusive to blue collar work. In most of the areas that I'm personally familiar with, it's become pretty rare though. There tends to be too much scrutiny of financial records to hide undocumented cash flow.

You still haven't addressed the hordes of Anglos pleading for those jobs in the fields, lawns and homes of America.

eleseus

11-14-2006, 10:32 PM

Most framing is relatively unskilled.

Working "under the table" isn't exclusive to blue collar work. In most of the areas that I'm personally familiar with, it's become pretty rare though. There tends to be too much scrutiny of financial records to hide undocumented cash flow.

You still haven't addressed the hordes of Anglos pleading for those jobs in the fields, lawns and homes of America.
It's not "the anglos" I am concerned about. There are many colors and ethnicities in the lower economic classes of the US. I take your point about the fields, but the other 2 you mention could employ others just as easily as illegals.
Those jobs can and would be filled if all of the illegals were kicked out. Markets adjust and accomodate each circumstance. And nothing I am saying is against the character or race of the illegals--I have worked when I was younger with some Mexicans and I liked them all to a man. BUT THEY ARE ILLEGAL. WE MUST DEAL WITH THIS. HOWEVER WE CHOOSE TO, THIS CAN'T GO ON INDEFINITELY.

Meerkat

11-14-2006, 10:48 PM

Oh, I agree that something ought to be done about the illegals and that status which allows their exploitation. I don't think kicking them out of the country is the answer.

I'm not speaking about nationality or ethnicity either. While the primary group are hispanics (from all of Latin America), Asians and Eastern Europeans are represented too, to name just two other groups.

Chris Coose

11-15-2006, 04:10 AM

Hell Few, you live above the frost belt. We all know them wets hate the cold.

And you canadians, you wouldn't know nothing of the problems these brown bastards create.

You can't grow oranges and lettuce in the artic for crissakes.

Tylerdurden

11-15-2006, 05:23 AM

Lets say global warming is real and the Northeast gets thrown into a new ice age. Lets say Donn lost all his money in the stock market and his house is covered in 25' of snow.
Do you think Hugo Chavez needs a gardener?

uncas

11-15-2006, 05:30 AM

Thread drift.. I think originally this thread began with a similar " what if " on a thread about Iraq.....Now it's about immigration...
Don't worry all, Amnesty seems to be in the works except a couple of southern srtates are taking the issue on personally.
Sounds like, from the federal level.. it is gonna be a repeat of 1988...

Tylerdurden

11-15-2006, 05:33 AM

Geez, Jamie
I woke up in a funk this morning, read this thread. Thought of Donn being Hugo Chavez's gardener and I have felt better ever since.
Good therapy.

uncas

11-15-2006, 05:36 AM

Tyler.. gotta point... I just got up too early.. not in a funk though...
Lots on mt mind though which is taking up a lot of space...

Tylerdurden

11-15-2006, 05:40 AM

Tyler.. gotta point... I just got up too early.. not in a funk though...
Lots on mt mind though which is taking up a lot of space...

Well I wish you a good day with clear thoughts, May the wind be at your back. Tyler.

JimD

11-15-2006, 05:53 AM

Let's try something new. Let's say an Israeli bulldozer flattens your house...

Phillip Allen

11-15-2006, 05:56 AM

license buldozers and ban them from general use...it'll keep them outa landfills along with the murcury in barometers

uncas

11-15-2006, 05:58 AM

Let's try something new. Let's say an Israeli bulldozer flattens your house...jimD

No problem.. I rent....

Tylerdurden

11-15-2006, 06:02 AM

Let's try something new. Let's say an Israeli bulldozer flattens your house...

Can't happen, I have a treaty with the jews. I leave their women alone and they promise to let me live in peace. Fair deal I'd say.
I tried to broker a deal like that with the Palestinians but they have issues, they like jewish women to much. Something about the Burka?

GregW

11-15-2006, 06:10 AM

Let's say I break into your house.

I get it. It's about the Mayflower landing somewhere...right?

JimD

11-15-2006, 06:19 AM

I get it. It's about the Mayflower landing somewhere...right?

:D Good one.

Norman Bernstein

11-15-2006, 06:20 AM

When have I claimed to be a gentleman?

Let's just say I place less value on a chat with you, than you do.

...and it's obviously very important that you let EVERYONE know you feel that way.... did it feel good to tell them? Or did you think they didn't already know? :D

JimD

11-15-2006, 06:20 AM

Can't happen, I have a treaty with the jews. I leave their women alone and they promise to let me live in peace. Fair deal I'd say.
I tried to broker a deal like that with the Palestinians but they have issues, they like jewish women to much. Something about the Burka?

A priest, a rabbi, and an atheist break into your house...

Norman Bernstein

11-15-2006, 06:24 AM

A priest, a rabbi, and an atheist break into your house...

I know the answer (got it from Sharpie, on another thread): the atheist is the murderer! ;)

JimD

11-15-2006, 06:30 AM

I know the answer (got it from Sharpie, on another thread): the atheist is the murderer! ;)

The atheist, overcome with guilt, goes to the nearest church and confessess "Forgive me, father, for I have murdered God!"

To which the priest replies "Oh! You must be the Jew!"

huisjen

11-15-2006, 06:33 AM

http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/homeSecurity1492_med.jpg...

paladin

11-15-2006, 08:11 AM

it depends on where I am.....
Living room.....9mm parabellum..
Upstairs....357 magnum....
basement......suppressed .22...or speargun...
front bedroom..a katana so sharp ya can shave the fuzz off a peach...
kitchen...any number of heavy sharp objects...and a meat cleaver is as good as a war ax.....

geeman

11-15-2006, 08:31 AM

This end of the house (computer room) 12 gauge shortened barrel to 19 in.3 22 rifles.In the middle (living room) Winchester 30,30.In the other end (bedroom) 25 cal semiauto(wifes),and 357 S&W.And i WONT simply ask you to leave,you will be "assisted" out

Mrleft8

11-15-2006, 08:31 AM

Hmmm, that's a hard choice...

If you wait a bit, you can plant an evergreen over me though. ;) This brings up an interesting point..... If you turn into compost before I finish this Butler's tray, who would you like to be the beneficiary? I won't give it to anyone TOO obnoxious, but almost anyone else on the forum would be fine.....

Mrleft8

11-15-2006, 08:34 AM

You are so mean spirited, where is the compassion and tolerance? In the safe, with my collection of old silver dollars and a pocket watch from 1848....

PatCox

11-15-2006, 09:28 AM

Good lord, you bunch of fools. You need to understand something right off the bat: education is not a charity program or a handout we "give" to poor people for their benefit.

It is a mandatory training program designed to make them orderly and productive members of society. Yes, its mandatory, "compulsory education." And those who complete it, tend to avoid jail and welfare and go on to work and pay taxes. And those who drop out are the ones who go to jail and on welfare.

You conrevatives are so cheap, stingy, and mean spirited that you would cut off your noses to spite your face. You get confused, start thinking education is a handout, and that makes you want to take it away from people you don't think worthy. Dumb dumb dumb. Education is not a handout, its how you train people to work in factories and not stab the boss when he pisses them off. Manuel the illegal's children, if they can graduate from school, will be paying for my social security. If you had your way, your children will be paying to lock them up in jail at $50,000 per head per year.

PatCox

11-15-2006, 09:32 AM

Lets say I import a few million slaves, destroy their social ties and family lives and forbid them from aquiring any education, start a war to keep slaves, and after I lose it and the slaves are free, I start terrorizing and lynching the ex-slaves so they move into my neighbors house. Then I make fun of my neighbor for giving them charity.

Dan McCosh

11-15-2006, 09:36 AM

I think it is funny how clearly the lines of this issue are divided on the "white collar/blue collar" spectrum in this country. I had a pretty viscious exchange with my liberal aunt who writes for the Boston Globe--she is a full-time journalist. She couldn't get it through her head that many trades-peoples lively-hoods were being tweaked/threatened by illegal immigrants. I have been way underbid on jobs by companies that can do the work for much cheaper because most of their employees are illegal and work for much less and don't require the extra money in their pay for taxes. Maybe if mexico starts dumping thousands of journalists into this country and taking native's jobs will my dear aunt understand why people are upset and want something done about this? It is ILLEGAL!!! DUH!!!

You'd be surprised how many British illegals are in journalism.

eleseus

11-15-2006, 10:01 AM

Holy S@#$, please do not tell me she is the journalist calling for Deval Patrick to make room for Grace Ross and Christy Mihos in his cabinet. What is her name.?

LOL... I would shut her up if she said something like that. No, she works in the Arts section with occasional work in their Ideas section. I heard Jay Severin talking about someone who got fired--a radio host, on the decent AM talk station--that got fired for calling Grace Ross a "big, fat Lesbian"...Do you know who this is, few? I was thinking Howie Carr, or at least someone on his station?
Deval: "I would like to dispel the current rumors of my inviting Grace Ross into my administration; Given my already crowded staff roster, there simply is no room for that big, fat lesbian (communist) in my house!"

Norman Bernstein

11-15-2006, 10:07 AM

LOL... I would shut her up if she said something like that. No, she works in the Arts section with occasional work in their Ideas section. I heard Jay Severin talking about someone who got fired--a radio host, on the decent AM talk station--that got fired for calling Grace Ross a "big, fat Lesbian"...Do you know who this is, few? I was thinking Howie Carr, or at least someone on his station?
Deval: "I would like to dispel the current rumors of my inviting Grace Ross into my administration; Given my already crowded staff roster, there simply is no room for that big, fat lesbian (communist) in my house!"

The guy, whose name I've already forgotten, is another one of those RWW ranters who most likely was fired for lousy ratings. His statement about Grace Ross was simply the infamous straw that broke the camel's back. Severin uses similar despicable epithets to describe people he doesn't agree with.... but Severin's ratings are good *shrug*

eleseus

11-15-2006, 10:19 AM

The guy, whose name I've already forgotten, is another one of those RWW ranters who most likely was fired for lousy ratings. His statement about Grace Ross was simply the infamous straw that broke the camel's back. Severin uses similar despicable epithets to describe people he doesn't agree with.... but Severin's ratings are good *shrug*

You are totally right, Norm. I can't believe Teddy hasn't put a hit out on him yet for his "I drowned my date" comments and even worse"fat, bloviating pile of steaming horse crap". He has said even worse about Hillary. I am convinced that there is an audience for good radio in between something like Severin and Npr--say, Tom Ashbrook with some balls, I like his often Co-host Jack Beatty from the Atlantic... Get the idea? A little closer to the center and with a little more opinion...

geeman

11-15-2006, 11:13 AM

Lets say we ,as US citizens have the right to say who comes into this country and who dont.Lets say,if illegals of ANY country come here,we make sure they go to EVERY state on an equal basis.EACH state will have the "benefit" of their presence.So that ALL states have the "luxery" of having their taxes and infrastructure stretched to the max.THEN I think we might be able to find out what the country AS A WHOLE thinks about the issue.

PatCox

11-15-2006, 01:26 PM

If it weren't for the wholesale importation of illegals by the southern agriculture industry, they would never have gained the toehold that allowed them to completely take over the sheetrock and framing trades in my state. Though I have no right to assume that the hardworking people inthose trades are illegal. As it is, I doubt any one state has any reason to feel sorry for themselves. If your state's major industry engages wholesale in the illegal practice of employing illegals, and has the political power to make the authorities look away and tolerate it, thats your problem, and you should take it up with the employers of your state and the federal government.

How Bout that GW Bush amnesty proposal?

geeman

11-15-2006, 01:30 PM

My point Pat,is that the issue so far , is based on peoples experience with it.Less experience ,less issue at this point.It is now a national issue and will be more so as time goes on.And BTW, Ole Frist sent me a form letter with a large number of questions on it yesterday.One of them was Illegal immigration.I answered as I had before when he sent me those letters.So I'm doing what I can from MY southern lofty position LOL

PatCox

11-15-2006, 01:43 PM

People's experiences, or their prejudices? All these people I hear screetching that all their taxes goes to pay for them durn illegals, for example, have no idea how much money their state pays for illegals.

I am for restricting immigration. I am also for restricting trade. See, the conservatives had no problem when all the manufacturing jobs were sent to the foreigners. But now, all the service jobs are going to foreigners too, and all of a sudden, Tennessee is in the same boat as Ohio and Michigan. And suddenly, the shoe is on the other foot, and the wailing commences. Welcome to globalization. What everyone needs to get on the same page about is understanding that this is not the government's fault, its the fault of big business. Big business wants cheap labor, whether they have to export the factory to where labor is cheap, or import the workers. Illegals are best of all, they don't make compensation claims or sue, because they fear being deported.

But the republican party has been peddling this fantasy that business is your friend and the government is the enemy, so you have voted them into power, and they have been great for big business, dismantling all trade barriers so that it would be real profitable to move factories out of the country, and they have also allowed the employers to employ illegals with complete impunity, so american service workers would alllose their jobs.

Hope you like lassaiz faire.

geeman

11-15-2006, 01:57 PM

Pat I'm from VA where we watched our factory jobs go out the door too.This is not something that I have only learned recently.And "experience" is the correct word.Last week I watched close friends lose almost everything they had because they couldnt afford health care.They were forced into bankruptsy .Now the man of the house has 100% yes you read right 100%, of his check taken by the govt to satisfy his debt to doctors an hospitals.In the meantime illegals go to those same hospitals and doctors and their care is written off.Prejudices? I dont think so.

PatCox

11-15-2006, 03:59 PM

Following is the official court notice used in Tennessee, advising the employer of the maximum amount of a wage garnishment. As you can see, it is illegal in Tennessee to garnish 100% of a person's wages.

Bankruptcy is a good option for someone in your friends position. Bankruptcy is specifically provided for in the United States Constitution, the founding fathers were very adamant about the principal that people are entitled to a "fresh start" if they are struck by misfortune.

NOTICE TO THE GARNISHEE (Employer):

THE MAXIMUM PART OF THE AGGREGATE DISPOSABLE EARNINGS OF AN INDIVIDUAL FOR ANY WORK WEEK WHICH IS SUBJECTED TO GARNISHMENT MAY NOT EXCEED:

(a) Twenty-five percent (25%) of his/her disposable earning for that week, minus $2.50 for each of his/her dependent children under the age of sixteen (16) who resides in the state of Tennessee as provided in Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 26-2-107; or

(b) The amount by which his/her disposable earnings for that week exceed thirty (30) times the federal minimum hourly wage at the time the earnings for any pay period become due and payable, minus $2.50 for each of his/her dependent children under the age of sixteen (16) who reside in the state of Tennessee, as provided in TCA, section 26-2-107, whichever is less. “Disposable earnings” earns that part of the earnings of an individual remaining after the deduction from those earnings of any amounts required by law to be withheld.

In the case of earnings for a pay period other than a week, the weekly formula must be changed to apply to that pay period so as to exempt an equivalent percentage of disposable earnings. For example, the calculation concerning the federal minimum wage in subsection (b) should be computed as follows: WEEKLY: 30 times the federal minimum hourly wage (fmw) at the time the earnings for any pay period become due and payable; BI-WEEKLY: 2 times 30 fmw; SEMI-MONTHLY: 2 and one-sixth (2 1/6) times 30 fmw; and MONTHLY: 4 and one-third (4 1/3) times 30 fmw equals the amount to be subtracted from disposable earnings for that pay period.

If the judgment orders alimony and the person in whose favor the judgment was rendered has remarried, the above exemption applies. If the judgment orders the debtor to pay support for his/her minor child or children, or alimony and the person in whose favor the alimony judgment was rendered has not remarried, different standards apply under 15 U.S.C. Section 1673(b). If the debtor is supporting a spouse or dependent child other than those for whom the order was entered, then fifty percent (50%) of his/her disposable earnings may be garnished. If the debtor is not supporting such additional dependents, a maximum of sixty percent (60%) may be garnished. These figures rise to fifty-five percent (55%) and sixty-five percent (65%), respectively, if the support order is for a period more than twelve (12) weeks before the pay period to be garnished.

If the judgment is for state or federal taxes, no disposable earnings are exempt under 15 U.S.C., Section 1673(b).