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08-04-2002, 06:55 PM
Photo shows laminated bowsprit just after tightening up the clamps following glueing. We used Silver Quondong.
David shaping the bowsprit from square to octagonal to round. Boatswain (the German Shepherd we are looking after for 6 months
while his owners sail the West Australian coastline) looks on!
Not a very good photo but it shows the cabin sides (this time we are using plywood) going up into position. We will be glassing
The start of the toilet/shower bulkhead is on the stb. We are facing the bulkheads up with panelled timber some
of which will be painted white and other areas varnished.
Work has moved on since these photos and as usual when they come to hand we will post them.
Our boat is sure starting to get the finished look about her now!
[ 08-04-2002, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Bernadette & David Hedger ]
08-04-2002, 07:01 PM
B & D, great progress. How long is the bowsprit, and what did you glue with? May I ask where in N Queensland you live? I have a brother who emigrated to Australia over 20 years ago and lives inland from Townsville.
08-04-2002, 07:45 PM
Bernadette & David,
I was just yesterday thinking that it had been a while since our last update on your progress. I see you've been busy. Looks wonderful!
How about posting the link to your Imagestation Album, for those who haven't been following from the beginning?
Keep up the good work!
08-04-2002, 08:06 PM
08-04-2002, 09:51 PM
Yall are an inspiration!
Great boat and dog!
Keep us posted and up to date!
Bernadette & David
What type of plywood are you using for the interior?
08-05-2002, 08:15 PM
The best part of this section of the forum is watching stuff go together.You two are amazing. That's a big job, but you're doing it! Way to go!
08-06-2002, 05:03 AM
thanks for the happy comments about our work! smile.gif and here are some comments for your questions....
the bowsprit is about 12' long. Its final shape is square on deck with the octagonalstarting just past the stem head and about 2' then shaping to round.
we glued it with resorcinal (as with both masts and all spars we glue only and use
absolutely no fastenings). we will be varnishing the masts etc.
the ply is marine grade and we had planned to face it up with Queensland Maple veneer
but it isn't available any more. We had some really nice Qld Maple ply in PEQUOT our last boat and we wanted to do the same again...it's looks so good varnished. Anyhow it looks like we will just paint the cabin sides white. It will be ok as we have a top and bottom Qld Maple trim and there will be laminated knees and then the bulkheads will break it up as will the 3 port lights in each side. So it will all look about right! after it's all done!
We are about 3 hrs drive north of Townsville. Charters Towers is just inland from Townsville (about 1 hr by car from memory).
08-06-2002, 05:43 AM
Folks - try Matilda Timbers on the Gold Coast - I think they may have Qld Maple veneer. Let me know if you have trouble finding them (bearing in mind I'm off air pretty much for the next 8 days, replacing the transom on Grantala)
We are doing our own veneers from our Qld Maple stock. Our cabin sides are solid QM, but our bulkheads are ply and will be veneer faced to the original style.
08-06-2002, 05:48 AM
Wow! Huge job, looks great. :D
08-06-2002, 11:27 PM
B & D,
Too good! Are you using silver quandong for all the spars?
08-07-2002, 02:43 AM
Jeff, yes we will be using Silver Quondong for all masts and spars. While it may not be very durable it has very good compression characteristics which makes it ideal. My father has always used this species in this application with no problems. We certainly gave our mast a real test on PEQUOT when we were still learning how to handle and sail her. On one particular day we had the mast pumping so hard that the movement was quite marked (and scary!!) and noticable at the foot. We did eventually shorten sail when it looked like it would break!
Ian, Have you seen just how thin some of the veneers are these days? Not even as thick as toilet paper some of them. We would like to get hold of say 3mm Qld Maple marine ply. We will try the supplier you mentioned but if you know of anyone let us know. We had our hearts set on it but to keep things moving with the boat we had to compromise. It's sometimes hard getting what we want up north here not being in the "thick of it".
Hope the transom work fares well.
B & D
BTW why resorcinal glue for the bowspit rather than epoxy?
08-07-2002, 03:10 AM
Lion...epoxy is especially not appropiate if the glue line is to be exposed to sun under varnish. We would/might expect it to fail/degrade after time. Even if we painted the entire spar we would still use resorcinol...it's a better product than epoxy. A good test to prove the worth of resorcinol is to try and break the glue joint on a test piece. The timber will always fail (pull apart) beside the glue seam (the glue seam will remain intact). Anyway, resorcinal is cheaper than epoxy!! ...and...a dark resorcinol glue line is no big deal even if varnishing a laminated beam (as we have done on the schooner).
[ 08-07-2002, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: Bernadette & David Hedger ]
08-07-2002, 06:26 PM
I am very interested in your comments about Silver Quondong because I have just finished the spars for the Gaffer in the Garage, using imported oregon. I enjoyed working with it and it looks good but I really would have preferred something local - I had not heard of Silver Quondong being used. The alternative I had in mind was hoop pine, which is a plantation timber and apparently available in reasonably long straight grain pieces. It has a density and other qualities, quite close to oregon. But it is an unexciting white wood.
I will look for Silver Quondong for my next project - thanks for the tip!
08-09-2002, 12:43 AM
What a great job you're doing!! If I remember correctly she's a Malabar II? I wouldn't worry too much if the lamination on the cabin sides doesn't work out. White paint is eminently suitable for that type of boat. A friend of mine owns the original Malabar II, which is mostly painted and looks just right.
You mentioned glassing the cabin. I assume you mean the roof. The success of that depends on the type of planking. If it's plywood, it should work OK except that Dynel would be better if you can get it. But if the roof is planked, say with tongue and groove, canvas will work out better than fiberglas. You probably know all this but just thought I'd mention it.
08-09-2002, 02:30 AM
Bernadette and David... Well done mates!! Always amazes me to see how fast its coming together! :cool:
From the West Coast mob... keep at it keep smiling and keep the dog away from the glue pot!!... man them buggars can get mean when they start sniffing things!! :eek: ... I just read that and... I meant the glue!! :rolleyes:
Take it easy
Shane and the mob
[ 08-15-2002, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]
08-09-2002, 02:36 AM
Yes our schooner is the Malabar II design.
We had wanted Qld Maple ply for the cabin interior but (as I think I said earlier) it's just not available up here anymore. We agree that painted white cabin sides (interior) will be in keeping with the 'style' of the boat.
We have just knocked off for the day but as is usual, we often have a sit outside the shed and chat about our work and boats in general. We have a stack of photos of Malabar II, Retriever and also Legacy...something to drool over and which to compare notes and get ideas! Today we did notice Malabar II's white cabin sides. It's neat that no matter how many times we look at our collection of photos of these three boats...we always notice somthing new and see things in a different light when we are working on a prticular part of the boat.
We have previously contacted Jim via email many months ago but if you contact him say hello from us please.
The cabin top (exterior) will be ply and glassed with dynel. As the cabin sides are also dynel we will carry the dynel down the cabin sides and across the deck. We will fasten a laid (White Beech) deck on top.
Not long now till we finish.
08-10-2002, 05:36 AM
Bernadette,a really lovely job!I hope to see it myself one day,in the wood as it were!
Jeff, quandong is beautiful wood,especially for bending or glueing,but if you find hoop pine plain you aren't going to like quandong.Its very even in grain..no obvious colour variation ,actually pretty similar to a bit of old growth hoop if a bit paler.It grows fast but there isn't that much of it around....no plantations.I've just been cutting planks out of some really beautiful hoop up in Brisbane,14" wide boards and the supplier said it was plantation,so theres some good stuff around!
08-12-2002, 08:47 AM
"Silver Quondong" I thought Quondong was only a native fruit tree in Western Australia. Obviously a very diffeent tree in Qld as over here its a very shrubby tree.
08-12-2002, 01:31 PM
Malabar II is my all-time favorite design for a boat that size. I haven't seen Jim Lobdell for a few years, since he and Ginny were running the "When and If" when a group of friends and I chartered her for a week. Their boat is being maintained in fine shape, since they are well aware of her heritage and the responsibility to keep her well. There was a rumor some time ago that she was for sale, but I've heard nothing about that. I hope not.
08-14-2002, 04:56 AM
Bayboat...with your opening comments....you automatically qualify for a FREE sail when we get over your way!!! tongue.gif
08-14-2002, 11:47 PM
I had a look around the net recently, and yes this is not the WA fruit tree. It is otherwise known as blue fig, and grows to 35 metres.
08-22-2002, 03:36 AM
Folks, as mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that you can get Queensland Maple ply and veneer from Matilda Timbers (or, I think, Matilda Veneers) who are on the Gold Coast.
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