Crabcoat??

[capt jake]

OK, somebody here was talking about Crabcoat (clear). I think it was Paladin. Have you tried it yet? Thoughts? How are their paints? There website is really lacking.

[capt jake]

Bump. ;)

[Tonyr]

Odd to pay for an advt in the magazine, and then have no useful information on the website to which they refer you. Does not give much reason to be confident about the product line.


Tony.

[paladin]

Hello Jake....
I have a product called Nyalic that we used on some "radomes" for special antennas for Iraq....is that what you are referring to...? If so...we had originally painted the moulded plastic covers, but hard blowing sand abraded the finish to the bare substrate. Just before my heart attack I finished the first 88 of the new domes with Nyalic and to date no complaints....and the company still uses the product as a final coat finish. I haven't been ACTIVELY involved for the last couple of years but to date over 600 products have been completed with it..

[paladin]

I just sent an e-mail to my subcontractor who makes the radomes, and also to Rick...the young man that handles any warranty work....I will get back to you in a few days...but this is in regards to Nyalic....it may be a similar product.....the folks at the company site were extremely helpful...

[uncas]

If I get another boat.. umm.. gonna try crabcoat.. Heck, it isn't any more expensive per qt.

[capt jake]

Thanks for the input folks. I was originally looking at the clear coat, but the paint might be worth looking at as well.

Yes, their website (if you can call it that) is a total joke!

[capt jake]

OK, I did a little research. A little pricey. ;) Dries fast and water clean up.
My e-mail to them followed by the response.

I have some questions regarding your products. Little information on your website.

Clear: can it be spray applied? How fast does it dry and/or re-coat? Crystal clear or a slight amber tint? I am looking for the traditional 'varnish' look but a faster application. Cost?

Transparent warm mahogany: tied to the above questions, if it is a slight amber, could this be used as a base for the clear (in order to achieve the amber color)? Cost?

Your topcoat is available only in white? Cost?


Now the answers:

OUR CRABCOAT CLEARS ARE AVAILABLE IN THREE SHADES. CLEAR IS ABSOLUTELY COLORLESS, TRADITIONAL VARNISH IS AN AMBER SHADE( THIS IS PROBABLY THE COLOR YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ) AND TRANSPARENT WARM MAHOGANY IS FOR YOUR DARKER WOODS. IT HAS A DYE IN IT THAT WILL KEEP YOUR MAHOGANY WOOD FROM BLEACHING OUT IN THE SUN. WE SUGGEST TWO OR THREE COATS OF THE MAHOGANY AND THEN TOPCOAT WITH THE CLEAR OR TRADITIONAL VARNISH TO BUILD.
ALL OF THESE FINISHES CAN BE SPRAYED OR BRUSHED.
CRABCOAT DRIES TO TOUCH IN 30 MIN. TO 1 HOUR AND CAN BE RE-COATED EVERY TWO TO FOUR HOURS DEPENDANT ON WEATHER. IT IS VERY EASY TO USE AND CLEANS UP WITH WATER.
PRICING IS AS FOLLOWS : QT - 45.85 GAL. -123.90 5 GAL PAIL - 543.70
A 20% DISCOUNT WILL BE APPLIED FOR CASE ORDERS.
I HOPE THIS ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS.

[Concordia...41]

My .02:

Time and energy spent searching for the Holy Grail a/k/a The Perfect Varnish is better spent mastering one product line.

Interlux, Captains, Sterling/Crystal, Ephifanes, Z-Spar all have their advantages and disadvantages. After years of trying everything that came across the market, holding my mouth just right, buying brushes made of the finest albino badger hair, and spending dozens of hours discussing and debating same here, my stock advice is to pick a product suited to your local conditions. Here in Florida, UV is obviously a big factor, and not picking on the Pacific Northwest, but I'm thinking you just might want something that doesn't mind being applied in lower temperature ranges and when there's a bit of moisture in the air. ;)

At any rate, pick a product line that is suited to your environment and then spend your time and energy mastering that product.

It was great meeting you in Port Townsend. Cheers & keep up the good work!

- M

[sdowney717]

Nyalic is tougher, more durable, will never crack craze yellow peel.
Crystal Clear Shiny
New coats actually melt into old coats
100% UV PROOF. How many can make that claim.
For Nyalic to go away, it must be physically abraded from the surface.
Marine dirt bird crap etc... just wont stick to the surface. Easy to clean, the stuff is like liquid water, self leveling.
For wood work, best to varnish then use Nyalic as a top coat.
Easy easy easy to use.
http://www.nyalic.co.nz/
http://www.nyalic.com/
Yes, it can be sprayed.

[capt jake]

I really like and desire the look of varnish; especially on this project. I like that amber tint over the wood. ;) I also would need something that dries relatively quickly so that multiple coats can be applied in the same day. The whole interior of the boat is bright! Thus, I will need to be 'in there' spraying and desire to 'get 'er dun'. ;)

It was also nice to meet you too, Margo. I still wish we had spent more time talking. You and Dave were so inspirational and helpful during the construction of my Weekender.

I will take a look at Nyalic then too. :)

[sdowney717]

the advantage with Nyalic is it will preserve your varnished amber finish.

Lets face it, you work real hard to get the wood looking so nice and then the sun destroys it.
So with Nyalic all you do is maintenance coats, wash it off and paint on more. The solvent in the Nyalic slightly disolves the old Nyalic surface and merges into it. I think then as long as you maintained it every 3 years or so, once you got it looking the way you want, it would look that way basically forever.

Most people who use it are putting it on top of painted surfaces as a way of keeping the appearance fresh and making it easy to clean.
A person on this forum put it on the prop and said it was very tough coating.

[Mrleft8]

Crab got cold?

[capt jake]

Sdowney; what is the price of Nyalic? Coverage per/? I hate the thought of having to varnish all of that; sand it in preparation for another product; but that may be what I have to do. I am trying to balance my perfectionist side with the more realistic side. ;) ;)

[capt jake]

Leaning more and more towards Nyalic. I have to admit, thier customer service is impressive! :) They got right back my inquiries, even on a Sunday! $200/gallon and about $55/qt. Qt covers about 330sq/ft.

SDDowney; I know you recomended Nyalic over the Varnish; what about straight Nyalic? Meaning, what do you think of the 'look' of it?

[JimConlin]

I can't locate the MSDS for either of these snake oils.

[few3]

http://www.rubin.com.au/files/Spec2.pdf

Also listed under the name Everbrite
http://everbrite.net/coating_properties.html

[capt jake]

Here as all I have.
http://www.nyalic.com/

Nothing from Crabcoat at all.
http://www.crabcoat.net/

I also have heard good things about Top Secret.
http://www.topsecretcoatings.com/ts-100_1-part_epoxy_clear_4849362.htm

Nyalic sounds the easiest to apply as it can be rooled with a foam roller and self levels without tipping. I have a ton of interior nooks and crannies to do. ;)

[few3]

Crabcoat is blended by Becker Labs in Tenn.

Becker Labs makes printer and copier toner????????????????? and Crystalac?

[S.V. Airlie]

from the flier...

Crabcoat
address
6205 HWY 91 N.
Mountain City TN.. 37683
tel/fax 423 727-6425
email
thecrystalaccompany@yahoo.com
website www.crabcoat.net

hope this helps.

[Chan]

I have a deck, nice clear yellow cedar that is in need of a new coat of something.
Home deck.
Originally coated with whatever was thought to be a clear finish, which is never the case..
Think that stuff would work on a deck???