Need help finding plans & information

[72rdstr]

I've wanted to build a run about for some time and I'm kind of settling on what I want but I'm still narrowing it down a little.

Anyone know a source for the Ideal Series flyers? Someone posted a line drawing of one in another thread and it looks pretty interesting. I'd like to get a little more information. That's all I know, hope y'all know more!

I lke the old Chris Crafts but I'm unwilling to pay that much for that old of technology. I'm learning that lesson with a "classic" corvette.
I want the classic styling but with modern hardware/engine/etc...

Thanks in advance for any help.
Todd

[paladin]

Do you intend to build the boat yourself or perhaps find someone to build it for you....

[72rdstr]

The intent is to do it myself. I'm fairly handy with basic woodworking. I'll have to rebuy tools but that's part of the fun.

[mmd]

I believe that I have some information on the Ideal series Flyers at home. I am a few hundred kilometers away from there right now (at a conference), but will look when I get home on Sunday.

[72rdstr]

I believe that I have some information on the Ideal series Flyers at home. I am a few hundred kilometers away from there right now (at a conference), but will look when I get home on Sunday.

Thanks, I'd appreciate it.
Todd

[johnw]

Check out Edwin Monk's book, How to Build Wooden Boats. It has several plans for really nice runabouts, and it's a Dover book, so it's cheap.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Wooden-Boats-Small-Boat/dp/048627313X/sr=1-3/qid=1161996770/ref=sr_1_3/002-8159397-9363247?ie=UTF8&s=books

[paladin]

I have the drawings and frames for the RIVA Aquarama, to be powered by a pair of marinized chevy engines as inboards...if that tickles your fancy.....

[Justin76]

Try these links:

www.classicwoodenboatplans.com

www.dngoodchild.com

Classic Wooden Boats has multiple plans available as does DN Goodchild

Good Luck!!

[72rdstr]

Gents, thanks for the advice on books and the links.

Paladin, I'm not sure I want to jump up to a twin enging on my first boat project.

I really like the old Chris Craft runabouts but they have gotten too expensive for a 3 month a year boat (I'm in central CO). So, I'm looking at building a something less than 20' that has the classic look in wood.

[Paul Pless]

Are you familiar with the Rascal?
http://www.geocities.com/rascalrunabout/rascal-side-MN.jpg

[72rdstr]

Are you familiar with the Rascal?
http://www.geocities.com/rascalrunabout/rascal-side-MN.jpg

Did you build that? It's beautiful! ~13'? Whose plans? The name rings a bell but that could be because of the little rascals (I'm getting to the age where my mind does things like that for fun).
Could it hold two adults and a child?

Found the Flyer on the classic boat plans ebay page. Hadn't noticed it was a hydo, having to rethink it a little.

I really like the Glen-L Crackerbox
http://www.glen-l.com/designs/inboard/inboard-images/dsn-cbxe2.jpg

[Paul Pless]

Not mine.
Plans available from our sponsor.
http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400100.JPG

14' 60hp outboard = 60 mph

[72rdstr]

Thanks! I'll give it a look.
I used to have a Baja jet boat and I'm still a little unhappy with auto conversions for power.

[Paul Pless]

here's a worthwhile thread, with lots of links to similar projects

http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=50665&highlight=rascal

that's about the nicest finished boat I've seen built to the 'Crackerbox' plans

[72rdstr]

Thanks
These links are a little like a research assignment. Each one teaches me a little more and expands the possiblities for this project.

I'm planning on lifting the body off my corvette this winter and will be reinforcing the aft frame rails. I estimate I can pull ~1300 lbs without too much trouble. My PU can do much better but something about the old fiberglass car (named after a small ship) pulling a classic wooden runabout really appeals to me.

gotta look through the thread.

Thanks again,
Todd

[72rdstr]

http://www.portcarlingboats.com/overholthydro2.jpg
This may be my favorite pic from the provided links.

[DougWilde]

When I worked at a university I borrowed, on interlibrary loan, as many of the Ideal Series books as I could find. Photocopied all of them. I'd suggest purchasing the catalog of plans and use that to narrow your search a bit. Use Goodchild's website for further refinement.
Then e-mail me and I'll see if I have a copy.
The trouble with some of the books I borrowed was the assholes that cut out the plans of boats they liked. Nothing short of cultural theft in my book.

The really cool thing about the original series was they contained foldout blueprints. There are some really sweet boats...including Hackers.

Doug Wilde

[72rdstr]

When I worked at a university I borrowed, on interlibrary loan, as many of the Ideal Series books as I could find. Photocopied all of them. I'd suggest purchasing the catalog of plans and use that to narrow your search a bit. Use Goodchild's website for further refinement.
Then e-mail me and I'll see if I have a copy.
The trouble with some of the books I borrowed was the assholes that cut out the plans of boats they liked. Nothing short of cultural theft in my book.

The really cool thing about the original series was they contained foldout blueprints. There are some really sweet boats...including Hackers.

Doug Wilde

Thanks! I appreciate the offer and I'll take you up on it.
I'm having a fun time teaching my son to respect books. The teachers at his school let them just treat them however they'd like. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, never know when you're going to need something that just ain't on the interweb.

Did you get copies of the blueprints as well? Hackers? (sheesh, more research) The picture of the Rascal the Paul P posted was pretty interesting too.

[mmd]

Well, I made it home in one piece, but not for lack of effort on the part of my slightly beer-soaked and rum-dipped fellow conference attendees.

72, I have looked through the books that I have that show the Ideal Series of boat plans and, man, they are all over the place. There is everything from open utility boats to runabouts to class raceboats similar to that one shown on the back of the pick-up truck above. Ya gotta give me some direction...

Actually, I think that I understand that you are thinking along the lines of the Rascal shown further above, but maybe not so involved in construction detail and finish splendour. Maybe a plywood design by Willard Crandall circa 1947 called Flyer. It should't be too involved to build as a first boat, it is the right size (13 feet long x 4 feet wide and all-up weight is probably about 500 lbs), and I think that painted a dark colour such as royal blue or forest green with varnished deck it would be a sweet looker, too.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/mmd_ns/WillardCrandallFLYER.jpg

A warning, though - this was designed as a racer, so it will ride hard and there is precious little consideration given to creature comforts. You will be sitting on the floorboards with only a plank seat back, and your legs are stretched out in front of you like you were sitting on the floor with your back against a milk crate. It could be made more comfortable by the addition of a padded seat back and a padded seat bottom, but it still would only be a toy for zooming about in calm water for an hour or two at a time. It will probably go quite well with only a fifteen horsepower outboard, and faster than your courage can handle with a 25 hp outboard. I wouldn't be surprised to see 50 mph out of it. With less than a foot of freeboard at the cockpit, that will feel like about twice that velocity.

If you are interested, send me your snailmail address and I'll photocopy the article & fire it off to you. There is enough info in the article to build it if you take your time & think it through.

[72rdstr]

Well, I made it home in one piece, but not for lack of effort on the part of my slightly beer-soaked and rum-dipped fellow conference attendees.

72, I have looked through the books that I have that show the Ideal Series of boat plans and, man, they are all over the place. There is everything from open utility boats to runabouts to class raceboats similar to that one shown on the back of the pick-up truck above. Ya gotta give me some direction...

Actually, I think that I understand that you are thinking along the lines of the Rascal shown further above, but maybe not so involved in construction detail and finish splendour. Maybe a plywood design by Willard Crandall circa 1947 called Flyer. It should't be too involved to build as a first boat, it is the right size (13 feet long x 4 feet wide and all-up weight is probably about 500 lbs), and I think that painted a dark colour such as royal blue or forest green with varnished deck it would be a sweet looker, too.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/mmd_ns/WillardCrandallFLYER.jpg

A warning, though - this was designed as a racer, so it will ride hard and there is precious little consideration given to creature comforts. You will be sitting on the floorboards with only a plank seat back, and your legs are stretched out in front of you like you were sitting on the floor with your back against a milk crate. It could be made more comfortable by the addition of a padded seat back and a padded seat bottom, but it still would only be a toy for zooming about in calm water for an hour or two at a time. It will probably go quite well with only a fifteen horsepower outboard, and faster than your courage can handle with a 25 hp outboard. I wouldn't be surprised to see 50 mph out of it. With less than a foot of freeboard at the cockpit, that will feel like about twice that velocity.

If you are interested, send me your snailmail address and I'll photocopy the article & fire it off to you. There is enough info in the article to build it if you take your time & think it through.

PM sent. Thanks!
Todd

[mmd]

72, the info is winging its way to you as I type this...

[johnw]

There's a couple nice stepped hydros in the Monk book you might take a look at.

[72rdstr]

mmd, thanks very much, I really appreciate it.

johnw, I put the book on the wife's amazon buy list.

Todd

[johnw]

Even if you don't build from it, you can have some daydreaming material....

[72rdstr]

Even if you don't build from it, you can have some daydreaming material....

That's exactly what I do with my Glen-L catalogs too...

[SamSam]

Here's some older plans that might interest you. Sam
http://www.svensons.com/boat/

[JFH]

I would also like to build a version of the Flyer. It would have to look a little like the Gravette Streamliner series from Northern Ontario.

Anyone out there have suggestions on where I can get plans?