Reading and pronoucing words

[cs]

What is if you see a word like Eragon but want to pronouce it Edragon?

Chad

[bamamick]

do you think that Brett Favre's family may have had that same problem?

Mickey Lake

[uncas]

Heck, I was basically deaf until fourth grade. I mispronounce words all of the time. At least I know what they mean.

Heck GW and I went to the same schools although I have an excuse...

[Milo Christensen]

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[Paul Pless]

Chad, I wonder if people who speak Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands have the same problem.

[lagspiller]

Actually, I think this is because of the way the brain is hardwired. It automatically searches for patterns it recognizes and actually demands concentration to 'override' this bias.
I believe it was Harvard that did a study showing that as long as the first and last letter in any word in a text are in the right place, the order of the other letters is not particularly important.
This has also been used in an advertisment by a fast food chain near you... they put one word in their characteristic colors on a billboard...

Hmbrgr

Any trouble reading that?

[Rick Clark]

Actually, I think this is because of the way the brain is hardwired. It automatically searches for patterns it recognizes and actually demands concentration to 'override' this bias.
I believe it was Harvard that did a study showing that as long as the first and last letter in any word in a text are in the right place, the order of the other letters is not particularly important.
This has also been used in an advertisment by a fast food chain near you... they put one word in their characteristic colors on a billboard...

Hmbrgr

Any trouble reading that?

Burger made of ham.

[cs]

Fred I did indeed ask sincerly. I read and read rather well and fast. But I think I do a lot of the word association that you talk about. I see Eragon on the cover of a book with a likeness of a Dragon below it and I want to say Edragon. I see the word just don't always look at individual letters. Bet that explains why my spelling sux.

Chad

[Paul Pless]

lagspiller, here ya go

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

[cs]

Fred I may have a lot of sight words stored in memory and there may be some crossed wires that make me combine them. Not sure if it could be said that I have a reading disability. I've been reading a lot and fast and have good comprehension for a long time.

Chad

[Milo Christensen]

I had the most marvelous mentor when I was working as an educational change agent back in the old days.

He got off on a rant about English teachers and people in general who made any connection between spelling (and by extension, writing) and intelligence. He said, and research has failed to contradict him lo all these years later, that there is absolutely no connection between spelling and intelligence.

As I find out more and more about the tiny little things that can go wrong during the development of the human brain, I find it easier and easier to accept poor writing and atrocious spelling. This got even easier (though hard to bear) when my son was finally diagnosed as dysgraphic. That is, he can read, comprehend, speak, all at very high levels. But he can't spell for beans and writing/typing a structured paragraph is impossible unless dictated.

[cs]

Yeah I saw that and I skipped down, just was adding that thought.

Chad

[Tristan]

Two of my three grown daughters learned to read with the ITA, the initial teaching alphabet. In this system the words were spelled, using a special phonetic alphabet in which all the "letters" were always pronounced the same. The youngest amazed me one day when she, as a very beginning reader, came home and read a story beginning with "This is Mister Gonzago, he drives the bus to Chicago." What she was reading was not "See Spot run" stuff, it was real stories. Over the first three years the kids were gradually moved into "regular" readers, a switch that gave them NO trouble at all. I grew up as an excellent reader, almost always the most "advanced" reader in the class, but could never spell for sh!t. Also created my own pronounciations for the long difficult words (though I knew what they meant). With the onset of middle age I'm beginning to lose the minimal gains I made in spelling and pronounciation.

[Sea Frog]

Actually it's Erasmus B.Dragon.

[lagspiller]

lagspiller, here ya go
Yes, tahts rgiht. It was Cmabridge Uinervtisy. :cool:

We read in 'bites' - like pohenyms. It is olny the uunslul wrods taht are defifuclt. Bceuase tehy are not stored as words but must be sounded out.
(For example, the fourth word is phoneme)
That is why Eragon is easily understood to be Edragon. It doesn't work that way for a word like poneme, for example, because that doesn't look like anything familiar.


Believing in a direct connection between spelling and intelligence is kind of 'bad old days' / embarrassing. It is seen as really bad form in modern education. There are just too many gifted people with dysleksia to ignore. There is also growing acceptance for a similar diagnosis in maths. (But don't try mixing number order before going to the bank. That sort of reading doesn't even work at Cambridge - gift or no gift)

[huisjen]

I'm still puzzled by the people who get then and than mixed up. ;)

Dan

[Meerkat]

As a kid, I was firmly of the conviction that it was "sore" cream - how else does one pronounce "sour"? ;)

The English have some quite unfathomable names. For instance, as I just learned, "Featherstone" is not pronounced any thing remotely like "feather stone." There is also the curious practice of dropping "w"s out of words like Ipswitch - it's "ips itch," not "Ips witch!" ;) A British friend was not at all amused when I wondered if it was Estminster or the BBC Orld Service. :D

[Meerkat]

I'm still puzzled by the people who get then and than mixed up. ;)

Dan"To and "too" mixups are quite annoying as well!

[Mrleft8]

But the real question is.....: What if you see a really cute woman, and you want to call her......... Oh, nevermind! :D