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Another One
10-25-2006, 02:27 PM
CNN Alert: Gay couples have the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples under the New Jersey state constitution, the state Supreme Court rules.

It's these little bits of fair treatment that make the rest so galling. (On the way home each day I must pass a large flashing sign - - outside of a tractor tire repair shop, no less - - citing Bible verses and arguing this issue in 15 characters or less.)

Gonzalo
10-25-2006, 02:50 PM
This type of win is most likely a pyrrhic victory for gay marriage.

Evenually, I believe, the public will support gay marriage in sufficient numbers to allow it to be passed legislatively. But now, odds are that the opponents have enough support to pass an anti-gay marriage amendment to the state constitution, as they have in many other states. Once the constitution is amended to forbid gay marriage, it will be much harder to amend it back so that legislation can be passed legalizing it.

Who knows? Maybe the inevitable anti gay marriange amendment will fail. If it does this gamble will have paid off. If not, it will make it harder in the future.

This is just the sort of issue the courts should not be deciding. Rightly or wrongly, this issue is still too far out in front of public opinion to avoid a strong backlash.

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 02:57 PM
What people do with their privates ought to be private.

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 03:02 PM
I think some of the "enlightened" southern states have passed anti-gay amendemnts to their state constitutions.

The Wa Supreme Court knocked down a gay marriage decision even though the state constitution has a sexual equality proviso - not sure if there's a law defining what marriage is though.

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 03:19 PM
Keep Your Jesus Off My Penis
©2004 Eric Schwartz

Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you
Well I'm frickin' sick and tired
Of turning on the news
And seeing the religious right's
Ungodly fight to take our right to choose
When to bear our children
Who to love and how
Education and protection
If we're just practicing for now
So dubya look obey a book
If that's what works for you
But I don't tell you how to pray
So don't tell me how to screw
Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you
So you’re screaming bloody murder
'Bout the taliban regime
For subjugating women
And being too extreme
And basing legislation
On some ancient holy book
Does that sound a bit familiar?
Here's a mirror, have a look
And as for the ten commandments
They need one more at least
Thou shall never cover up
The acts of pervert priests
How'd they let that happen
Unless they just abhor us
Well anyway it adds
Another layer to the chorus
Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you
So you'll execute a person
And protect a single cell
But mercy-kill the terminally ill
And you're goin' straight to hell
I don't know much about
The word of God
Far be it from me
But I can tell you what it ain't
Hypochristianity
I am not anti-Christian
Before you grab a rope
There is beauty in religion
And joy and love and hope
We're all looking for an answer
Some colossal cosmic cause
But who the **** are you
To turn your views into my laws?
It's just believers in the bible
That would have abortion banned
Anti-choice agnostics?
I could count’em on one hand
And as for killing babies
I have but one retort
If someone raped your daughter George
You'd beg her to abort
And if some young girl from your church
Shows up with child or some infection
‘Cuz you taught her what a horrid sin
It was to use protection
One day you'll face the pearly gates
And whatchu gonna say
When that long-haired Jewish peacenick
Sends your ass the other way sayin’
Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
I've had it up to here
With all the biblibile you spew
Keep your Jesus off my penis
(at least that's what I would do)
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you
That's if'n you want me to

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 03:31 PM
You know, Donn: you're the reason why your kids live as far away from you as they can.

Another One
10-25-2006, 03:35 PM
I believe that's an add hominy attack!

I get a mental image of the two of you squared off, throwing grits!! :D :D

elf
10-25-2006, 03:49 PM
Really, this whole subject is being handled completely incorrectly. Marriage is a sacrament is many religions. It should not be a civil matter. State and Church need to be kept separate here. The state should not be marrying anyone at all.

Abolish civil marriage throughout the country and the problem goes away.

Now, what to do about the result of that?

Restruction the Partnership laws to permit the entire suite of benefits which accrue under the current Marriage laws to accrue to a limited type of partnership. Define that partnership as between two consenting adults over 22 years of age (people under 22 are hardly ready for a permanent partnership anyway, so should be restricted from making that sort of contract). Call that partnership whatever you like. The state licenses and oversees the operation of it, including the care of dependents and the dissolution.

Voila - no more same gender marriage issue. Problem solved. Separation of church and state reconfirmed as public policy, to boot.

If society wanted to solve these problems, it would get on about it. Instead some portions of society just want to make political hay.

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 04:07 PM
Really, this whole subject is being handled completely incorrectly. Marriage is a sacrament is many religions. It should not be a civil matter. State and Church need to be kept separate here. The state should not be marrying anyone at all.

Then marriage ought not to have civil benefits.

Marriage can just as easily be seen as a civil contract as a religious sacrement, and the state does have a compelling interest in seeing that marriages that bear children continue.

You're also overlooking the fact that some churches allow/perform same sex marriages.

erster
10-25-2006, 06:14 PM
I believe that's an add hominy attack!

You made me smile after a very tough day with two best friends passing away. Thanks:) :)

Nicholas Scheuer
10-25-2006, 06:25 PM
About Homosexuality among mammals (not human) of the same sex?

It no longer can be called an "unnatural act".

Moby Nick

ishmael
10-25-2006, 07:19 PM
Whatever homosexuality is, it is a part of the animal condition. I'm of the opinion that some of it's neurotic and some of it's just fine. I've reiterated this stuff ad nauseum, but once again. If homosexuals want legal rights equivilent to marraige, I'm all for it. It will be an interesting can of worms as whenever you make a legal contract with another. But "Gay Marraige" is an oxymoron. Doesn't exist except as a meaningless phrase.

Find a different phrase and get back to us.

Joe (SoCal)
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
I like gay people and they have every right to be as miserable as the rest of us married people :D

Bob Smalser
10-25-2006, 07:53 PM
Whatever homosexuality is, it is a part of the animal condition.

"Homosexual" acts between same-sex animals are usually acts of dominance, not sex. No act or response performed by animals without the stimulus of estrous is a sexual act.

Think that dog humping your leg wants sex, or is challenging you for control of the relationship?

ishmael
10-25-2006, 08:04 PM
I don't know, Bob. I think the last dog that humped my leg was just idiot horny, not trying to dominate me. I think that raw male impulse is expressed across the animal spectrum. I also think some humans are just homosexual. Don't know why, but it may well be in the genes. Doesn't mean a lot of it isn't neurotic as well.