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johnw
10-25-2006, 02:06 PM
One of the prisoners at Guantanamo is the 20th hijacker from 9/11. It looks like the nature of the interrogation precludes actually prosecuting the bastard.

And they knew it while they were doing it.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15361462/

From MSNBC:

Will Mohammed al-Qahtani, the suspected 20th hijacker, ever face trial?

The cops who directed the investigation, Col. Mallow and Fallon, said they were told several times by prosecutors in the Pentagon’s Office of Military Commissions, as the military trials are known, not to keep bringing forward a case against al-Qahtani, that there would be no case.

"The techniques made some detainees unprosecutable," Fallon said. "It would provide the defense counsel a tremendous advantage at trial to sway the presiding officer and members, as well as it would have disclosed those techniques to the public."

A Pentagon spokesman last week dismissed this as "speculation," but wouldn't say whether al-Qahtani would face a military trial, known as a commission. "The detainee you reference," Cmdr. Gordon said, "is not among those 10 already referred to military commissions." (See sidebar, In limbo: Cases are few against Gitmo detainees.)

Under the Military Commissions Act signed last week by President Bush, statements made under torture would not be admissible in a military trial.

But the law says a military judge could accept statements made under coercion. A court may have to decide which category, torture or coercion, encompasses such techniques as a fake trip to Egypt, sleep deprivation, and being forced to do dog tricks. The new law also extends legal protection from prosecution for war crimes to any U.S. personnel who used coercive tactics, if they believed in good faith that what they were doing was lawful.

Al-Qahtani's lawyer says she believes he'll never face trial, that eventually the government will have to transfer him back to Saudi Arabia.

"They can't just leave him in Guantanamo to rot and die," Gutierrez said.

Meerkat
10-25-2006, 02:14 PM
My, but isn't she optimistic! :rolleyes:

johnw
10-25-2006, 02:19 PM
You might be right.

GregW
10-25-2006, 02:22 PM
One of the prisoners at Guantanamo is the 20th hijacker from 9/11. It looks like the nature of the interrogation precludes actually prosecuting the bastard.

In the tradition of American fair play, shouldn't this person be referred to as the "alleged" 20th Hijacker? After all isn't one presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, whatever that court may turn out to be?

johnw
10-25-2006, 02:29 PM
In the tradition of American fair play, shouldn't this person be referred to as the "alleged" 20th Hijacker? After all isn't one presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, whatever that court may turn out to be?


Yeah, you're right. When you proceed with the presumption of guilt, the whole process is in question. It does sound like they'd have a pretty good case if they hadn't undermined it.

John of Phoenix
10-25-2006, 03:02 PM
...statements made under torture would not be admissible in a military trial.

But we don't torture. dubya said so.

johnw
10-25-2006, 03:49 PM
A guy who lied about his arrest record and his military record wouldn't lie about anything important, would he?

JimD
10-25-2006, 07:20 PM
such techniques as ... being forced to do dog tricks.

And just how is it you 'force' someone to do dog tricks?

Rick Clark
10-25-2006, 07:51 PM
In the tradition of American fair play, shouldn't this person be referred to as the "alleged" 20th Hijacker? After all isn't one presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, whatever that court may turn out to be?


What happened to being freeee untill they prove your quilt?

johnw
10-25-2006, 08:13 PM
Quilting? That's some serious thread drift...

JimD
10-25-2006, 08:57 PM
I told my boss if I didn't get a raise I was going to quilt.

johnw
10-25-2006, 10:00 PM
Plead quilty.

Nicholas Carey
10-26-2006, 12:53 AM
In the tradition of American fair play, shouldn't this person be referred to as the "alleged" 20th Hijacker? After all isn't one presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, whatever that court may turn out to be?Nah...not if you've got brown skin and your a muslim. :D Not under this administration, anyway.

skuthorp
10-26-2006, 02:30 AM
"They can't just leave him in Guantanamo to rot and die," Gutierrez said.

Wouldn't be too sure about that, It's been done before. Remember Hess?. And we've had some in our concetration camps for 7 years or so. One in solitary splendor on a pacific island, the only one in the camp!
Just a little beaureucratic paper shuffling and he'd 'dissapear', just like that. An underground cell in one of those ol desert bases maybe, I'm sure the CIA has just the right place. And I make no judgements as to justice or no here.

Mrleft8
10-26-2006, 07:42 AM
I thought we already convicted the "20th hijacker".... How many 20th hijackers are there?

johnw
10-26-2006, 03:52 PM
This guy got as far as the airport. The one they convicted did take flying lessons, though.