View Full Version : another plane/helicopter crashes a NY bldg.

10-11-2006, 02:05 PM
I was just flipping through the tv and msnbc has a live broadcast of smoke in NY.First report was a helicopter hit a building on the upper east side.Then I heard a reporter say that they believe they saw a small plane hit the building and a large fireball appeared.Oh boy here we go again....:confused:

Tar Devil
10-11-2006, 02:12 PM


From CNN:

A small aircraft has crashed into a high-rise residential building at 72nd Street and York in Manhattan, police said. Police are en route to the site, said to be at 525 E. 72nd Street. Flames and smoke could be seen pouring from the high rise apartment as fire engines raced to the scene

John of Phoenix
10-11-2006, 02:13 PM
E 72nd and York Ave, upper east side.

Looks like a condo. CNN reports a plane hit the 30th floor. Fire seems to be fairly well contained so far.

Dryer lint
10-11-2006, 02:16 PM
Probably some guy p oed at his ex and getting even

Bruce Hooke
10-11-2006, 02:48 PM
It seems unlikely that it was a terrorist attack.

I hope not too many people died. I'd say 'I hope nobody died' but it seems pretty certain that anyone on the plane must have died.

Joe (SoCal)
10-11-2006, 03:18 PM
Two confirmed deaths, so far.

Seeing a building burning like that just brings back so many memories, even though it is nothing like 9-11, it still gives one pause.

When I was first dating Lisa, she lived on 73 & York just around the corner.

Don Olney
10-11-2006, 03:46 PM
Rumor is the plane was registered to Cory Lidle of the NY Yankees.


John of Phoenix
10-11-2006, 03:53 PM
Rumor is the plane was registered to Cory Lidle of the NY Yankees.

And that he was the pilot.

10-11-2006, 03:55 PM
So it's just a wacky coincidence that today is the 11th?

(hey, someone had to say it)

Don Olney
10-11-2006, 03:57 PM
Weird, this story was in the Times last month.

September 8, 2006

In Lidle, Yanks Have Extra Pitcher and Backup Pilot

The New York Times

When the Yankees fly, the pilots are not only in the cockpit. There is another pilot in the main cabin, where the players sit. He is probably studying his hand-held Global Positioning System receiver, tracking the weather and noting the plane’s precise speed and altitude.

He is Cory Lidle, who has been a major league pitcher for nine years and a pilot for seven months. He earned his pilot’s license last off-season and bought a four-seat airplane for $187,000. It is a Cirrus SR20, built in 2002, with fewer than 400 hours in the air.

Cory Lidle earned his pilot’s license last off-season and bought a four-seat Cirrus SR20. He said he’s spent about 95 solo hours in the air.

A player-pilot is still a sensitive topic for the Yankees, whose captain, Thurman Munson, was killed in the crash of a plane he was flying in 1979. Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, said his plane was safe.

“The whole plane has a parachute on it,” Lidle said. “Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you’re up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly.”

Lidle, 34, lives in West Covina, Calif., 20 miles or so east of Los Angeles. On a trip to Arizona last season, Lidle saw a former teammate, Tom Wilson, whose friend is a pilot.

Lidle became intrigued by how quickly he could navigate the Southwest if he could fly a plane. He had never flown, but decided that if he could learn in an off-season, he would make it his top priority.

The day after the Phillies’ season ended, Lidle met with an instructor, Tyler Stanger, in nearby Pomona, Calif. They flew to Long Beach that day, and Lidle was hooked.

“He was probably my best student,” Stanger said in a telephone interview. “He learned very, very quickly, and a lot of it is desire. He had huge desire.

“Really, anyone can learn how to fly. If you can drive a bus, you can fly an airplane. But to learn quickly takes money and time. Of course, Cory had plenty of money, and it was the off-season, so he had the time.”

Lidle, who is making $3.3 million this season, met with Stanger twice a week, for three or four hours at a time, all winter. He became queasy once, Stanger said, somewhere over New Mexico while returning from Texas. Otherwise, Lidle was a natural.

Part of Stanger’s job is to surprise students by simulating emergencies. He will pull the throttle to the idle position, essentially letting the plane coast as if the engine were failing.

Other times, he said, he would instruct a student to wear blinders so only the instrument panel was visible, simulating bad weather. Then Stanger would tilt the plane nose-high or nose-low, making the student recover by trusting the instruments.

“Most people get kind of ruffled,” Stanger said. “He was like, ‘O.K., no big deal.’ A lot of it is his mental state.

“On the mound, he has to hold in all the emotions and keep completely focused. It’s the same thing flying: If you’re in an emergency, you can’t waste any time worrying. You have to take command of the situation. A lot of people I fly with don’t have that mentality. Cory does.”

Flying has become a passion for Lidle, who said he had spent about 95 solo hours in the air. After a recent day game at Yankee Stadium, he took a train to Philadelphia, fetched his plane from a nearby airport and flew it to Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, where he keeps it during the season.

If Lidle re-signs with the Yankees, he would fly at his own risk; in the Yankees’ standard contract, a player who injures himself in an off-field activity like flying would jeopardize the guaranteed money in his deal.

For now, Lidle plans to enjoy flying this off-season, unburdened by the notorious California traffic.

“It’s basically to bring things a little closer to reach,” he said. “Now I can go to Pebble Beach if I want, and instead of driving there for five hours, I can fly there in an hour and 45 minutes. I can go to Arizona to golf, or Vegas, wherever.”

On a conference call with reporters the day after he was traded, Lidle criticized his former Phillies teammates for their effort near the trade deadline. Lidle said he was not thinking before he spoke and nearly forgot about the call because he was outside in the heat, cleaning his plane.

The Phillies have done well without him, and the Yankees have thrived with him and outfielder Bobby Abreu, who has hit .355 since also being acquired in the trade. Lidle, who starts tonight in Baltimore, is 3-2 with a 3.38 earned run average in six starts with the Yankees.

Because they were off yesterday, the Yankees are skipping Jaret Wright’s turn in the rotation. The fact that they kept Lidle on schedule could give Lidle the edge on Wright if the Yankees need a fourth starter in the playoffs.

Manager Joe Torre, though, does not seem quite sold on Lidle, a finesse pitcher who deliberately throws slower than 90 miles an hour so his sinker fades better.

“He’s one of those guys who gives you six strong innings, and then maybe won’t get out of the second,” Torre said. “It’s all about command, all about throwing strikes, and if they’re going to swing at the balls that he throws.

“So you have to be prepared for that. That’s why, on Friday, it will be him, and Jaret will be lurking.”

In other words, if Lidle struggles tonight, Wright will be his parachute.

John of Phoenix
10-11-2006, 04:02 PM
Cirrus SR20

jack grebe
10-11-2006, 04:07 PM
I don't see a chute hanging out of the building......suicide?

John of Phoenix
10-11-2006, 04:14 PM
From witness statements there's every indication that the plane went into the building under power. From the fire ball at impact and subsequent fire, there was plenty of fuel so he didn't run out of gas.

The Yankees just finished their season without going to big dance. He pitched in the last game. How was he doing?

Rick Clark
10-11-2006, 05:38 PM
No matter what happened it is a sad day for his family and team mates.:(

George Jung
10-11-2006, 05:58 PM
I understand it was a twin that crashed; different airplane?

John, my question as well. All that turmoil at the Yankees right now, Steinbrenner going ballistic.

Nicholas Carey
10-11-2006, 06:00 PM
From witness statements there's every indication that the plane went into the building under power. From the fire ball at impact and subsequent fire, there was plenty of fuel so he didn't run out of gas.

The Yankees just finished their season without going to big dance. He pitched in the last game. How was he doing?According to the NYT article, witnesses described the plane as "wobbling" and "out of control".

10-11-2006, 06:13 PM
I listened to an eyewitness account this morning, (aint modern communications wonderful) There is apparently an uncontrolled flying zone along the rivers, poor visibility in misty conditions may have led to the accident.

Nicholas Carey
10-11-2006, 07:08 PM
According to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash/index.html),
Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor were killed Wednesday when Lidle's plane crashed into a high-rise apartment building in New York, city and baseball team officials said...New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg would not confirm that one of the victims was Lidle, but said the two victims were a flight instructor and a student...The state-of-the-art single-engine airplane was a Cirrus SR-20 registered to Lidle, said Yankees manager Joe Torre.

There was a mayday from the pilot involving a problem with fuel before the aircraft crashed into the 50-story high-rise on Manhattan's East Side, the FAA reported.

Witness Henry Neimark, who is also a pilot, said he saw a plane flying at relatively low altitude which seemed to come from LaGuardia International Airport.

"It looked to me in retrospect that this was a pilot desperately trying to get back to the airport and land safely on a runway," he said.