Redwing 21 Pilothouse

[David Wallace]

G'day , my name is David Wallace and I'm from Clermont in Central Queensland , I've been lurking for the last few days and thought it time I introduced my self , actually I'm thinking of building the Redwing 21 Pilothouse V hull version , does any one have experience with this boat ?, I'm about to send off for the study plan , do the study plans from CMD contain enough detail to help make a informed decision ? the reason I've been thinking of this design was that I wanted some thing that took a smaller outboard motor in the 15 to 20 hp range [ don't want some thing that needs a 50 + hp to push it ] I only need or want some thing that will do 6-8 knots , also shallow draught is a must , it has to be big enough for two people to live aboard for a few days or a week at a time so bunks , portapotti and small galley are needed , also a bit of head room is handy as I'm 6'2" and 240 lb , so that is why the pilot house version looks good , are the plans from CMD detailed and easy to read and follow , I don't have any idea about off-set tables so will I be in trouble from the start ? would this boat be relatively easy to build ? I have a little experience with stitch and glue as I've built two kayaks and a Argie 10 dinghy using stitch and glue , I have plenty of room to build so that isn't a problem , any suggestions ?

Regards

David W

[videoguy]

David I am in the process of building a redwing 21 and am having a lot of fun building her.
I have had to make a lot of changes in her design due to the fact my wife is in a wheelchair.
One thing I did was to mount the motor on the transom instead of in a well that gave me another foot and a half of cockpit space . I also made the cockpit sole one level from bow to stern so she can get around the boat. The study plans are well worth the few dollars they cost. As far as the plans go they are very good but they do not have a lot of construction details ,but the boat is so simple to build ,after all it’s just a big flat bottomed rowboat with a cabin. If you do a search on Floozie mostly in the building section of the forum you will find lots of pictures of her. If I can be of any help please don’t hesitate to email me I would be glad to help in any way I can as will all the other members of the forum. ……….Welcome aboard…… smile.gif smile.gif Phil

[David Wallace]

Phil , just started searching the archives for info on Floozie , looks good so far , I'm really interested in how you changed the motor mounting and extended the pilothouse , I've been thinking that another three feet would be real good for me , I'll read all the archives on it and probably come back with a pile of questions , any estimates as to what it will end up weighing ?

Regards
David

[High C]

Man, I love those Stambaugh designs!

[David Wallace]

Yeah , they certainly catch they eye , some thing sort of nostalgic about them

Regards
David

[David Wallace]

One think I forgot to ask , I've noticed that many plans come with a detailed material list , do the Redwing plans have such ?
Regards
David

[David Wallace]

Tony

Thanks

Actually I noticed that Shane [ Dingo ] from WA was on the list from some of the archives but haven't seen any recent posts from him , any thing happened to him ?

Drier still now , this is our fourth year of drought , we got some rain in February which was good as out local dam was so low that in another week we would have been cleaning our teeth in beer , dead set if it wasn't for the soft mud surrounding the little puddle left in the bottom of the dam I could have jumped over it , the boat will probably be left at my parents place , they are having a house built at Miram Vale , nice and close to Turkey Beach and 1770 , so it will be handy as it's only about a 6 hour run

Regards

David

[ken mcclure]

Originally posted by David Wallace:
...in another week we would have been cleaning our teeth in beer...Now THERE'S a silver lining if I've ever heard one!!! tongue.gif

[ 09-28-2003, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: ken mcclure ]

[David Wallace]

Tony

I'm sure Shane will be back on line sooner or later , and I have to admit that if it comes to ringing people they will be waiting a bloody long time , my phone bill is already far to high with the calls I have to make for business , every time I order some thing it's a STD call , and post a letter , well lets just say that I have a letter some where on my desk that I've been meaning to post for about 5 months , no point in sending it now , the guy I was sending it to died last week , and the opening line would now be in bad taste , some how the line " Hey Tim where you been ? haven't heard from you for ages , you gone and died on me have you ? " would stand a good chance of upsetting his wife .

Now onto a on topic subject , does any one know where there are finished pictures of a standard to plan Redwing 21 Pilothouse on the net ?

Regards
David

[Mike Field]

Shane (Wild Dingo) is no longer on-line, his internet habit was eating money faster than he could make it... ... for which read, LittleCesspool was eating his money faster than he could make it. :(
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Welcome aboard, David. As Tony said, it's good to have another Aussie here.

Mike

[ 10-01-2003, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: Mike Field ]

[David Wallace]

Mike

Thanks

Regards

David

[Ted Ford]

Hi David-

I am in the process of starting to build a Redwing 21 semi-V. I ordered the pre-cut hull kit which I picked up last year. It's stitch and glue and as of recently Karl Stambaugh did not have detailed plans for the V hulled version. I have been finishing up some other projects, so progress has been slow - I've scarfed together all the panels and have coated all the frames and panels with the 3 coats of expoxy specified.

Within the next week will start to put the parts together. I have a sheet of the hull lines and of the parts included in the hull kit - will scan and try to post them soon. I see no reason you could not build this either as a stitch and glue or over built up frames. Karl says that the lenght of the pilot house can be easily modified and I should think you can also raise it a bit to clear your 6' 2" frame. It would be worthwhile to check with him about plans for the V hull. He has an e-mail address on his website - sometimes a bit slow to answer.

Ted

[David Wallace]

Ted

Sorry to take so long to get back to you but I've been away ,
Yeah the stitch and glue version is very much of interest to me as it's far easier to get ply up here in one piece than it is to get framing timber , is there much scarfing involved ? , have to admit that I'm a bit reluctant where scarfing is involved and have used butt plates where ever I could in previous projects , but I suppose I'll have to bite the bullet and do it some time , At the moment I'm still gathering information on the project and am in no hurray to start as I still have several projects to finish off first but I'm keen to see any information about the redwing Pilothouse especially in the V-hull version , what is the height of the pilothouse as per plans ? I've come to realise over the years that almost every thing is built to a average size and from what I can see Mr average is about 5' 6" and 130 lb , pretty much every thing needs to be worked on a little to fit the larger gentleman

One thing I've been wondering about with a boat this size is the need for a tender , with the flat bottomed version there wouldn't be all that much need but with a v-hull it may be a little more necessary , how would you go towing a little boat like the Apple Pie or a Bolger Brick or even stowing one on top of the pilothouse , at 21 foot the boat is a funny size , just a little too small to want a tender but just a little to big to do with out , the areas I'd be operating are a little short on jetties and such , any ideas ?

Regards
David

[Ted Ford]

David-

The kit I bought had ready made "step" scarfs which made the whole process fairly easy. Since the lenght is 21 feet, you will need two scarfs in each of the hull panels, but I think you could get away with butt joints. It might even be easier to make timber frames, set them up on a strongback and install the panels on the framing.

The pilot house is designed with 6' headroom, but I think could be easily modified to fit "the larger gentleman". I plan to build a Bolger Rubens Nymph to tow. With the shallow draftof the Redwing, there should be plenty of pretty places to anchor for the night and the dingy could be used for shore exploring.

As soon as I find the lines of the V hull, I'll scan and post them.

Regards,
Ted

[David Wallace]

Ted

Actually I've always thought there must be some sort of jig you could make up to use a router for scarfing , will have to sit down and think about it one day .

Didn't think there would be a lot of trouble changing it to more head room , it looks to be a very adaptable design

The Nymph would be a good choice , it doesn't look all that different to the Apple Pie ,

Yeah finding a safe place to anchor up is no problem but getting to shore would mean either wading or a tender and seeing as how most of the places I'd be taking the boat are home to many crocodiles a tender would be the best idea

Tim I look forward to seeing your scans ,

But for now , time for bed ,

Regards

David