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Osborne Russell
08-17-2006, 02:02 PM
Some good history in the Bush Spy case opinion:


[The fourth] Amendment “. . . was specifically propounded and ratified with the memory of Entick v. Carrington, 95 Eng. Rep. 07 (1765) in mind”, stated Circuit Judge Skelly Wright in Zweibon v. Mitchell, 516 F.2d 594, 618 n.67 (D.C. Circ. 1975) (en banc) (plurality opinion). Justice Douglas, in his concurrence in the Keith case, also noted the significance of Entick in our history,stating:

For it was such excesses as the use of general warrants and the writs
of assistance that led to the ratification of the Fourth Amendment. In
Entick v. Carrington (citation omitted), decided in 1765, one finds a
striking parallel to the executive warrants utilized here. The
Secretary of State had issued general executive warrants to his
messengers authorizing them to roam about and to seize libelous
material and libellants of the sovereign. Entick, a critic of the Crown,
was the victim of one such general search during which his seditious
publications were impounded. He brought a successful damage
action for trespass against the messengers. The verdict was sustained
on appeal. Lord Camden wrote that if such sweeping tactics were
validated, then the secret cabinets and bureaus of every subject in this kingdom will be thrown open to the search and inspection of a
messenger, whenever the secretary of state shall think fit to charge,
or even to suspect, a person to be the author, printer, or publisher of
a seditious libel.’ (citation omitted) In a related and similar
proceeding, Huckle v. Money (citation omitted), the same judge who
presided over Entick’s appeal held for another victim of the same
despotic practice, saying ‘(t)o enter a man’s house by virtue of a
nameless warrant, in order to procure evidence, is worse than the
Spanish Inquisition . . .’

Ian McColgin
08-17-2006, 04:09 PM
Interesting but I can't find in a passing refernece to the excesses of the Inquisition any bias against Roman Catholics or their church.

Kim Whitmyre
08-17-2006, 04:10 PM
Some good history, Osbourne ;)

Osborne Russell
08-17-2006, 05:39 PM
Interesting but I can't find in a passing refernece to the excesses of the Inquisition any bias against Roman Catholics or their church.

You'll have to ask the people who find bigotry against white southern males in "Ricky Bobby".

Ian McColgin
08-17-2006, 05:47 PM
Osborne, I regret to say I am still missing your point. I'm clueless as to what Ricky Bobby might mean.

Perhaps your indulging is sly subtle ironey I'm too dense to get.

WOuld the judge have been anti-English had he used the Court of the Star Chamber as an example.

It's neither anti-American nor anti-family for me to recognize that my several greats grandfather built his career to the Presidency by slaughtering Native American women and children. Same with the Inquisition, the excesses of which have repulsed Roman Catholics and most everyone else for some centuries.

Osborne Russell
08-18-2006, 11:31 PM
Sorry. Check out the "New Old South" thread for the complaint about anit-south bigotry. "Ricky Bobby" I think is the name of the new movie but I could be wrong.

I am prone to lapse into irony when dealing with people who cannot sense the irony of their posture. I'll probably win the lottery before it works.