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Meerkat
07-23-2006, 01:00 AM
The best car they ever built was the (Datsun) 510. What a joy to drive. Fantastic handling. Great milage. Reasonably priced. They ought to bring something like it back.

Stiletto
07-23-2006, 02:37 AM
I think you would be disappointed. Though we have fond memories of vehicles past, modern cars do it all so much better in my opinion.

I have very fond memories of back country roads and my Peugeot 403s and 404s.

I dont want one now.:)

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 07:24 AM
Extremely good point Stilleto.

John Bell
07-23-2006, 07:57 AM
My brother had a 1970 Datsun 510, the "poor man's BMW 1600." It was OK, I guess, but I'll wager even the most plebian Ford Focus would eat it up today in terms of ride, handling, acceleration, comfort, and economy.

One reason the old 510 performed so well was that it was so lightly built. Very thin sheet metal and it would get even lighter as the years went on due to nature adding "lightening holes" in the form of rust. :D That thing would rust out in a heavy dew, I dunno how they lasted longer than two or three years in a northern clime. Come to think of it, they didn't!

When it comes to cars, these really are the Good Old Days.

My only regret is that I wrecked (and burned) my '71 240Z. I'd love to have restored version of that car.

Katherine
07-23-2006, 09:36 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Datsun-510-%2773.jpg/250px-Datsun-510-%
We have a Nissan Stanza or two sitting in the parking lot at the office.

LeeG
07-23-2006, 09:39 AM
Katherine, have you been in a Versa?

geeman
07-23-2006, 09:40 AM
If one of those cars had a FORD or Chevy emblem on em,,I might could get away with parking em in my dads driveway.As far as I know to this day he still wont allow a ferrun car to be sitting in his driveway.(old fashioned guy) great guy tho

Katherine
07-23-2006, 09:47 AM
Katherine, have you been in a Versa?Yes and I've driven one too. Ran a test once and got to find out how many times I could spin the car in tight circles before the urge to puke set in if I wasn't the driver. It was 11.

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 09:49 AM
It was 11.

lightweight

Katherine
07-23-2006, 09:50 AM
The test set up is kind of hard to describe. My boss was in the car with me and doing the driving. When we switched spots, he only made it to 6.:D

Old Sailor
07-23-2006, 09:50 AM
Bright yellow Datsun B210.
Old Sailor

Katherine
07-23-2006, 12:17 PM
http://www.bambootrading.com/1800/1822.jpg

S/V Laura Ellen
07-23-2006, 12:21 PM
I had a Nissan/Datsun also - a 1972 240Z. Not a girly car!

Meerkat
07-23-2006, 12:41 PM
I tried on a B-210 once. MAN was that thing tight/tiny! Knees up around my chin and head bumping the overhead!

I opted for a nice Honda CVCC hatchback instead!

BTW, I have yet to get into a car that handled as well as the 510. That thing was just waaay fun! :)

Meerkat
07-23-2006, 12:41 PM
I had a Nissan/Datsun also - a 1972 240Z. Not a girly car!Where did you keep all the interior and exterior trim that fell off? ;) :D

S/V Laura Ellen
07-23-2006, 12:46 PM
Where did you keep all the interior and exterior trim that fell off? ;) :D

It was actually a good car except for the plastic choke lever that kept breaking. Once I learned how the carbs worked, it ran just fine.

pcford
07-23-2006, 01:06 PM
The best car they ever built was the (Datsun) 510. What a joy to drive. Fantastic handling. Great milage. Reasonably priced. They ought to bring something like it back.

Dude, I am going to have to strongly disagree with you there.

In a moment of weakness, I found myself with one. A new one. It was nothing but trouble. I hated it, it hated me. Would blow a head gasket with a moment's provocation.

Worst POS I have ever owned. The reputation of Asian cars is vastly over-rated...it certainly was in those days. I have a life-long pledge never to own another.

Answer me this: How often do you see one on the road? Almost never. There were bazzillions of those miserable rat boxes around in the 70s. Now they are tuna fish cans. You can see plenty of European and American cars of that era still around.

As they say in Scotland, they were absolute "crrrrrrraaaaapppp."

Meerkat
07-23-2006, 01:23 PM
You must live in a different part of Seattle than I do... ;)

Once in a great while, i'll see a bit of 70's American nostalgia belching it's way down the road doing an excellent imitation of a DDT sprayer, slathered in bondo and with the vinal landau roof gone leaving ugly brown foam reside to grace the car's roof.

I would guess that 90% of all cars made in the 70's are d.e.a.d.

pcford
07-23-2006, 01:29 PM
Once in a great while, i'll see a bit of 70's American nostalgia belching it's way down the road doing an excellent imitation of a DDT sprayer, slathered in bondo and with the vinal landau roof gone leaving ugly brown foam reside to grace the car's roof.


I didn't say American cars of that period are aesthetically pleasing, the contrary is the case. But the fact is that they still exist in significant numbers. Japanese cars don't.

David, I am frankly stunned that you would fall for this bit of corporate propaganda.

John Bell
07-23-2006, 02:00 PM
I would guess that 90% of all cars made in the 70's are d.e.a.d.

I'd wager it's more like 99.9% of cars built in the 70's have gone to their great reward! It's really kind of sad to think how short a time cars actually last. Within fifteen years of entering services, over 90% will have been recycled.

huisjen
07-23-2006, 02:08 PM
I recognize it's limitations, but I did like my 521.

http://www.modum.net/datsun/Grafikk/gamle_21.jpg

There's that groove in the styling down the side of the bed. I put reflective tape in that and across the tailgate, as a safety reflector for when the electrical system went.

Dan

Ed Harrow
07-23-2006, 02:09 PM
Had a 1970 240Z. They came stock (as was said about middle fifties Fords) with body rot. Biggest claim to fame was a totally non-stop drive from Boston to DC. Made it on one tankful (its and mine ;) )

Datsun/Nissan really lost their way later on. Maybe Katherine will drag them back on track.

Meerkat
07-23-2006, 02:18 PM
I think they've all lost their way. There are few smaller, more basic cars and trucks (any small king-cabs left?).

The Chinese will probably eat them up, at least in the bottom of the market at first.

John B
07-23-2006, 04:03 PM
I had a 240z too. ( not until the early mid '80's though) The Pteradactyl.
It was a singapore import and that's a recipe for disaster. It rotted around me.. Great car and it felt fast then.
When Holden ( GMH) had a engine crisis in the mid 80's they fitted nissan 6 cyl motors to their cars. I always wondered if it was the old Pteradactyl motor they'd used.

Katherine
07-23-2006, 04:07 PM
Datsun/Nissan really lost their way later on. Maybe Katherine will drag them back on track.Haven't ya heard, pretty soon I could be getting discounts on Corvettes.:rolleyes:

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 04:07 PM
I had a 240z too.



So this little preoccupation you've got with coupes that have proportionally really, really long hoods is not something new, eh?:D

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 04:09 PM
Haven't ya heard, pretty soon I could be getting discounts on Corvettes.:rolleyes:

Well that'll be a tough choice...


hmmm, Z06 or, er Skyline GTR???

:D :D :D

Katherine
07-23-2006, 04:11 PM
Well that'll be a tough choice...
Not for me. I'm getting a freakin Versa.:rolleyes:

S/V Laura Ellen
07-23-2006, 04:17 PM
Haven't ya heard, pretty soon I could be getting discounts on Corvettes.:rolleyes:

AAh ... Le General Nissan Corp. Has a decidedly military feel to it that may play will in the US.

Katherine
07-23-2006, 04:19 PM
Just think, a Silverado made by the French government.

John B
07-23-2006, 04:20 PM
Yeah well Paul, you know the posters you had on the wall,.... 68 vette, tennis chick with hand on butt( exposed) E type, 55 Chev Nomad, 1939 deluxe Ford Coupe, 32 Highboy......

What's a freaking versa?

Katherine
07-23-2006, 04:22 PM
http://www.nissanusa.com/img/vehicles/vdp_features/versa/ver_gal_pfa_main.jpg

JimD
07-23-2006, 04:23 PM
My best buddy had a 510 from around 70 to 73. We destroyed it. Drove it completely into the ground as only irresponsible teenagers can do. It sure took a lot of abuse before it died.

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 04:30 PM
John, have you ever seen these Corvette/Nomad Shooting Brake conversions? I've seen them both in person, very well done. Most people don't like them, I do.


http://www.pozziracing.com/Media/54vette_nomad.JPG

http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/54NomadVette.jpg

Ed Harrow
07-23-2006, 04:32 PM
Haven't ya heard, pretty soon I could be getting discounts on Corvettes.:rolleyes:

Got one.

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 04:33 PM
Ed, you got a vette, what you got???

Brian Cunningham has one, a 1992 model I think, and I've got 2005 model, I'm kinda playing with the idea of getting a midsixties bigblock though.

Ed Harrow
07-23-2006, 04:39 PM
70 Lt-1

Paul Pless
07-23-2006, 04:41 PM
LT-1, that's a legendary set of numbers!

John B
07-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Thanks katherine. I don't think we have those.

Well I sort of like it Paul, but I like Nomads too much to do that to one. That retro vette look has been stuck on a late model or two as well... C5 ?C6 ?
I don't know why you would.
Eds car is a cool one. I extracted a bad pic out of him about 4 years ago. Like pulling teeth it was .
He calls it the plastic pig IIRC.:D

Katherine
07-23-2006, 05:33 PM
I'm beginning to hate the song Magic Bus.

LeeG
07-23-2006, 06:48 PM
Katherine,,do you think the Versa could tow 1000lbs?

S/V Laura Ellen
07-23-2006, 07:05 PM
Katherine,,do you think the Versa could tow 1000lbs?

No, but then neither can a Geo Metro, and that doesn't stop one our fine (yellow croc wearing) formites.:eek:

Stiletto
07-23-2006, 07:40 PM
The six cylinder rear wheel drive Nissans are popular with youngsters here. My 18 year old just bought a Laurel which shares components with the Cefiro and the Skyline which a couple of his mates have.

Manual transmissions are preferred but hard to come by. The turbo versions can be hotted up a lot. Nice engines.

Katherine
07-23-2006, 07:45 PM
Truthfully I love my Frontier, I just wish it ate less.

formerlyknownasprince
07-23-2006, 08:35 PM
John B - re the comment on GM (Holden) using the Nissan engines - I had one of those. I went from a 5.0l V8 VL Calais (with the early unleaded V8) in '87 to an '88 VL Calais with the Nissan RB30 turbo engine in it. It was a rather special car - and I have fond memories of it. The RB30 was a 3.0 litre engine (it came with or without turbo) and a four speed slushie. It totally transformed the car.

Mine had a few mods to it though - took the price IIRC from $27k to $40k - standard with the turbo was 150kw but a few simple mods made it fly. It would pull 6.8 seconds 0-62 mph - exactly the same as my Jensen Interceptor, but in a totally different way (big whack when the turbo hit at 2250rpm). The main mod to this car was a cabriolet conversion :D Very nice.

Ian

John B
07-23-2006, 11:31 PM
Thanks Ian. ah googlerd it.

"RB30
The motor is a cast iron block with an alloy head, and a SOHC at 86x86. Three models of 3.0L RB30 were produced, the carburetted RB30S, the non-turbo RB30E and the turbo RB30ET. This motor was produced because the Holden 202 (3.3L) powering the Holden Commodore could no longer satisfy emissions requirements, and with all new cars required to run on unleaded petrol by 1986, a quick replacement was needed. Nissan Motor Co. teamed up with GM to build their biggest displacement RB, the 3-litre RB30."

Holden just dropped the LS1 in January for the same reason, as a matter of interest.

Has the contraceptor gone yet?


and a bit more for the anoraks.

"The Nissan L series of automobile engines ranged from 1.3 L to 2.8 L in both straight-4 and straight-6 configurations and were produced from 1968 through 1983. This was the engine of the Datsun 240Z sports car as well as the Datsun 510 and the first Nissan Maxima. It was a 2-valve per cylinder SOHCdesign often incorrectly attributed to Mercedes-Benz. While both are 'inline' engines, the resemblance to the Mercedes is superficial. In 1966, Prince Motor Company merged with Nissan. At the time of the merger, they were licensed to produce copies of the four and six-cylinder engines. Prince Motor Company had also improved and refined the design to such a extent that it was no longer required to be licensed to Mercedes-Benz."

formerlyknownasprince
07-24-2006, 02:48 AM
Has the contraceptor gone yet?

Nah - still there, but I can get to it now :D I've pretty well finished putting the 5.6 engine in the 500SEC (Mercs) - took it around the block yesterday. Much prefer driving the Bimmer M5 though. So much more gooooooooooo.

brian.cunningham
07-24-2006, 01:48 PM
Haven't ya heard, pretty soon I could be getting discounts on Corvettes.:rolleyes:

Nope, never happen ;)

EDIT
Yes, I've got a '95, it's a blast.
180mph top end, 32mpg on the highway :)

Ed Harrow
07-24-2006, 09:48 PM
The Plastic Pig, Tinkertoy, someone called it Eloquent (don't ask, LOL). Many claims to fame (unlike the Z).

The best - a transcontenental, solo blast, 44 hours California to NY. You're probably glad you weren't with me. :D

LeeG
07-24-2006, 10:16 PM
test drove a Versa with CVT transmission. neat car. CVT transmission is different. The rpms go where they need to. Weird, it almost feels like there's no transmission, just an engine. I'd like to try the manual version. Followed it up with a drive of a Toyota Yaris.

cs
07-25-2006, 06:18 AM
The first car I ever had a loan on was a Datsun 310GX. Great little car and reliable. Of course it didn't stand up to that trip over the bridge to well.:(

Chad

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
07-25-2006, 06:39 AM
Nissan have, in the past, made some of the world's coolest cars.

S-Cargo
http://www.nipponclassiccars.org/images/nisscar.jpg

geeman
07-25-2006, 07:49 AM
YA PI,,but thats not one of them,,,,,,,,,

Paul Pless
07-25-2006, 07:57 AM
The best - a transcontenental, solo blast, 44 hours California to NY. You're probably glad you weren't with me. :D

My best is casually idleing up to a driver's license checkpoint in the middle of nowhere after a serious triple digit blast earlier. As I hand my license and insurance over, the officer says, "Boy, we've been hearing about you for three counties."

Ouch!:eek:

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
07-25-2006, 08:11 AM
YA PI,,but thats not one of them,,,,,,,,,


The Monks of Cool, whose tiny and exclusive monastery is hidden in a really cool and laid-back valley in the lower Ramtops, have a passing-out test for a novice.
He is taken into a room full of all types of clothing and asked:
Yo(1), my son, which of these is the most stylish thing to wear?
And the correct answer is: Hey, whatever I select.

1. Cool, but not necessarily up to date.

-- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies

Those are, under the right circumstances, very very cool.

Want to "turn heads" at a nascar event?

Paul Pless
07-25-2006, 08:16 AM
Nissan have, in the past, made some of the world's coolest cars.


Ayup, their Group 6 cars were some of my favorites of all time.:D
Multiple IMSA championships, um er after Porsche withdrew factory support to the 962. (well there's a huge asterik)


http://i.pbase.com/g3/61/35561/2/53993867.83pits.jpg

hoss
07-25-2006, 12:07 PM
We look at older cars with "rose coloured glasses".

The 510 was an O.K. car but not by today's standards it handled so well because it had an independant rear suspension. Which caused it to also have 6 universal joints which failed at a alarming rate. Mine also went through 2 engines and was a bit of a dog. The 210 was horrible very small and cheap.

The first Japanese cars where not really that good. A guy I knew worked on Hondas, behind his shop was a huge stack on Civic motors with the piston out of the block at the same spot. The thing is that the Japanese cars got better much faster then the NA cars. Now it's not uncommon to see Hondas and Toyotas with 300 kilometers on them, and still going strong, you would not get that from a 70's car.

Ed Harrow
07-25-2006, 08:01 PM
My best is casually idleing up to a driver's license checkpoint in the middle of nowhere after a serious triple digit blast earlier. As I hand my license and insurance over, the officer says, "Boy, we've been hearing about you for three counties."

Ouch!:eek:

Oh, that reminds me, how could I have forgotten... I had a similar story involving the Z, but I didn't even get a ticket! :D

John B
07-25-2006, 09:18 PM
and moi.

Meerkat
07-25-2006, 09:21 PM
Now it's not uncommon to see Hondas and Toyotas with 300 kilometers on them, and still going strong, you would not get that from a 70's car.I got over 100,00 miles on my 75 Honda CVCC Hatchback before I traded it. Not quite 300,000 km, admitedly, but Great little car!

Katherine
07-26-2006, 11:46 AM
My best is casually idleing up to a driver's license checkpoint in the middle of nowhere after a serious triple digit blast earlier. As I hand my license and insurance over, the officer says, "Boy, we've been hearing about you for three counties."

Ouch!:eek:I could say something here. I mean I really, REALLY could, but would it be the nice, sweet, kitty like thing to do?;) :D