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Meerkat
07-21-2006, 02:33 PM
Seems to have died...

Saying "thanks" to wrap up a conversation any more is apt to be responded to with "bye" and not saying "thanks" doesn't seem to bother most people.

I vaguely recall an old aphorism, the gist of which is that manners are the lubrication of society. No wonder the world has become more strident - we're running metal on metal. Sigh.

Mrleft8
07-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Sod off bug breath! ;)
(Just kidding!)
I'm constantly appaled at the manners people use today. I was always taught to be as civil, and polite as possible. Only when all other options are exhausted should one resort to even the most subtle of personal affronts..... It's difficult sometimes, especially after a long day of bad luck....But a little consideration will at least make YOU feel better, even if the other drone doesn't respond.

Paul Pless
07-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Seems to have died...


not in the Deep South.:)

Phillip Allen
07-21-2006, 03:18 PM
anybody here wear their hat in the house, wear shades in company so they can't see if you are staring?

S/V Laura Ellen
07-21-2006, 03:19 PM
Seems to have died...

It's not extinct yet..


Thanks to everyone. Andrew's suggestion was about what I was thinking would be right and John's comments about keeping an eye on the mast were timely reminders.

Thanks again,

Dale


Thanks, Meer. We all need a reminder at times to keep us on the straight and narrow (for the good of the forum).

Cec
07-21-2006, 03:34 PM
We had a guy from Asia here at the office yesterday being introduced all around. When they came to my office he smiled and offered his hand then bowed. I found myself bowing in return and being affected by this genteel manorism. Not all cultures, including our own, have completely lost touch with such niceties as simply being civil. Have a good weekend all...

Cec

Tristan
07-21-2006, 04:07 PM
I wish people who call the house had the common sense to begin their talk by saying who they are, as in, "Hello, this is Pat, could I speak to Geoff (or Vicky, or whoever)." Instead the usual is, "Is Geoff there?" I always respond, "Who is calling," but they never seem to learn to be polite.

Milo Christensen
07-21-2006, 05:38 PM
Ya know, sometimes, when folks suggest, just as one example, using the Bible for toilet paper, it's just a bit hard to be civil.

But then, you being one of the less civil posters on the forum you would know what it takes to kill civility, wouldn't you?

Take a long look at your last hundred posts.

Meerkat
07-21-2006, 05:55 PM
Hear! Hear!

Don't have to go back far to check those last 100 posts, either. Less than 48 hours. Must be it's religion.Spaketh the coward who ignores the responses to his own dulcit postings.

Meerkat
07-21-2006, 05:57 PM
Ya know, sometimes, when folks suggest, just as one example, using the Bible for toilet paper, it's just a bit hard to be civil.
It's a book, only a book. If you worship the book itself, is it not an idol?

huisjen
07-21-2006, 05:59 PM
I've been around this place less than usual of late. The reason for that is that some objected to me calling a spade a spade. Is that uncivil?

I do identify myself when I call someone. I do believe that manners are important. But I believe forthrightness is more valuable than sugar coated falsehoods. I don't believe in the comfort of lies.

So I am having trouble with the idea that what is needed is simply more civility. There are many who would smile nicely as they twist the knife in my ribs. I refuse to be more civil if it simply means I will be played for a fool more easily.

KNOCKABOUT
07-21-2006, 06:02 PM
I've been around this place less than usual of late. The reason for that is that some objected to me calling a spade a spade. Is that uncivil?

I do identify myself when I call someone. I do believe that manners are important. But I believe forthrightness is more valuable than sugar coated falsehoods. I don't believe in the comfort of lies.

So I am having trouble with the idea that what is needed is simply more civility. There are many who would smile nicely as they twist the knife in my ribs. I refuse to be more civil if it simply means I will be played for a fool more easily.

Spoken like a true New Englander... Damn I love it up there.

Meerkat
07-21-2006, 06:06 PM
Seems I'm not the only one to conflate Christian iconography with TP.

http://kids.christianpost.com/activities/crafts/new_testament/images/11-main.jpg
http://kids.christianpost.com/activities/crafts/new_testament/11.htm



Jesus Toilet Paper Roll Craft


It may seem a tad odd making Jesus out of a toilet paper roll, but I think the end result is quite nice (Tasha has hers sitting in a place of honor on her bedroom shelf). The craft is made with a toilet paper tube, a printer, a piece of paper, some crayons, scissors, and glue. I always prefer to use a heavy paper (like construction paper), but it isn't necessary.

Funny how He doesn't look like a squatty little brown Semite though... ;)

Rick Clark
07-21-2006, 06:08 PM
Please, don't mean nothing either on the forum. @2 cents worth.:)

Wild Dingo
07-21-2006, 07:23 PM
Well... Hi yous mob Shane here (intro ;) ) hows things? (interest ;) )
Hope your all well and things are trottin along nicely for you (consern for health and well being of others) Now Im thinkin of buildin a wooden boat I redesigned from an old Broome Pearl Lugger some years back dont know if it will work but why not I say and Ive just about finished a round Dining table with veneer and gem inlay for 3rd daughter (bringing on track to boats and wood and a touch of personal)

Ive been "lurking" for a long time now I just thought Id into myself and say what a brilliant place this is! (bit of commonality with the crew) full of cussin cursin spittin and yarnin ol pharts (bit of word usage common to this area of the forum to feel a part of it) sorry I am a bit young as Im only 49 and someone once said that the average age of these forums is 55 and up :eek: but if you can put up with my youthfull goodlooks imagination exhuberance and excitement then I think it will help me immensely over the coming years (making you all feel comfortable around such a young fella as me :D ) I can take people bein brutally honest with their responses to what I say unless they phiss me of then I will have a go back but generally I like things to go along smooth and easy... (which in life they dont necessarily do but here with some small effort on all our parts would)

I like to think that although were from different places around the world from different backgrounds different societies languages and geophysical locations that were not that different (remember the old song he aint heavy? well its my belief that were all brothers... oh and sisters! ;) )... and most of us here respect that and each other those that dont get short shift if they get out of hand (seen this happen a few times here) and while a gentle smiling "insult" such as what someone here calls the gentleman in Maine named Scot a "gnome" its taken as given as a jest and no offence meant or taken (that person is either takin a massive risk of being scoted or is just plain nuts! :D ) but at other times theres been quite shocking and disgusting insults thrown around which I see no need for... ahem it is an internet forum people! duhhh! :rolleyes: )

Finally... Most times the posters here are polite respectfull considerate and thankful that in some small way they can at times help someone to attain answers to and with their questions.. the bilge as we all know can get outta hand from time to time and some can say things that are designed to inflame insult and get a rise from us (which in some instances is the intent even when they insist its not) but most times we handle it an move on

So I just thought Mr David Meercat that it should be noted that I for one think (albeit I am only a "lurker" who can only aspire to the number of posts as the legendary Mr Joeboy ona da mountain Donn and Memphis Mike have attained... talk about legendary!! :cool: ) that civility and respect are well and truely alive and well here in the bilge... ahem for the most part ;)

Thanks for taking the time reading this
Shane

Additional note... WOW!!! Mr David Meercat let me call you SIR!!! 26000+ posts!! :eek: Thats more than MR DONN!! gotta go check out how Mr Joeboy is going along... but 26000!!! LEGENDARY STUFF!!! I just ran over to another thread and WHOOEEEEEEEEEE!!! Mr Joeboy only has 18000+ posts!!!... So that means Mr David Meercat... YOU WIN!!! :D albeit I think Mr Joeboy wins on pic count and Mr Donn wins on teaching spelling credits :p

Tristan
07-21-2006, 09:26 PM
I am in total agreement with Wild Dingo (hey, what in hell did he say?). But - - - I'd like to add that it's quite easy to just overlook stuff you don't appreciate on the Bilge. I've only blown it a few times (got my back up and got nasty), the rest of the time I praise those that agree with me (the smart listers) and ignore them as don't (the dumb ones).

BrianW
07-21-2006, 11:32 PM
Too funny!

I mentioned the 'Bible for TP" quote in another Meerkat thread, before I read this thread.

I guess that little tidbit was noticed by more than just me.

B_B
07-21-2006, 11:36 PM
not in the Deep South.:)

not true at all - the first time I encountered "uh-huh" in response to a "thank you" (instead of 'you're welcome' or some such) was in Texas. Its everywhere in Virginia too. Now it's up here...and no, it's not polite nor civil. :p

geeman
07-22-2006, 12:15 AM
Bram ,,we say "Uh huh" as a thank you,the fact that we dont use the exact words "thank you " doesnt mean you wasnt acknowleged.Culture difference in the meaning of words here.

Meerkat
07-22-2006, 01:33 AM
I was speaking of civility in real life, not in the hothouse atmosphere of the forum. Here, strong words are used and passions aroused, but every forumite I've ever met in real life has been civil to me and, I hope, I to them.

I agree that "uh huh" is an impolite response to "thank you." It smacks of "yeah, whatever" to me.

Wild Dingo
07-22-2006, 02:06 AM
mmm okay... civility in life as averse to here? well I like to think that those I meet here would be very similar to the persona they show here... we all come to the table with the garbage of life around our necks the troubles woes angst anger temperments attitudes and slights recieved percieved and imagined our loves laughters fights arguements bitterness happiness and sadness issues and all that other stuff that is life itself in reality... I like to think that most that come here come to relax take it easy and relate to others about boats in particular and life in general and the topics show that.

I am often at a loss when someone (and it does seem to be more often retail staff who have this affliction) doesnt have the basic courtesy to say thank you or have a good day your welcome or some such politeness to a customer or even to a potential customer... many of these are young people and thats a bit of a bother but not unexpected I guess since most young people learn from their elders or peers and since a lot of elders fail at basic courtesy 101 its no wonder that the kids themselfs never even get to basic respect 101... which is an increasing problem but then again as the young fail due to parential failure to aknowledge even basic dignity let alone responsiblity for actions its only going to get worse... the problem I think extends particularily up the hierachial ladder all the way to the top... in your case the Presidency and here the Prime Minister for when they are seen to have a lack of a void of basic humanity respect and dignity for anyone other than themselves and their personal agendas is it really any wonder that the young are simulating them? and when the judicary allows pedophiles murders batterers and assaulters free even when they have admitted their crimes in court is it any wonder that the young of today have an attitude of "whatever"? where our young adults wonder around lost and confused angry, bitter and a chip on their shoulders bigger than Ayres Rock... where girls as young as 12 are getting pregnant to achieve the governments $4000 child bonus and a 14 year single parents welfare payment without the need to train learn or work where they effectively cut short their own childhood... where boys live their lives at school under the care of teachers (who by the way do a fantastic job) then are left to their own devices and to the mercy of the computer game creators who are creating games with ever increasing levels of gratuitous violence that is becoming increadibly more and more lifelike in its graphics... which in turn is and has created a generation with limited understanding of the real effects of violence and an acceptance of violence unseen in our societies prior... where the child is encouraged to spend more and more time in front of a computer for not only education but more so for recreation... our televisions spew out a constant stream of violence death distruction war and horror... really is it any wonder that our young generation has limited respect dignity and common courtesy if our governments our leaders our childrens parents abdicate their responsiblities and fail to treat each other with deserved respect dignity and courtesy fail to show basic truth and integrity... where the PC mob and judicary has decreed words such as the F word and the C word are "acceptable commonly used words within society"... Where porn is created and made to be presented as dance videos and shown on prime time television where the idols of our young and not so young children are such as Madonna and Shakira who dance and cavort on the tv screens and stage as though having sex and many songs are about or imply sex where they excentuate their bums and boobs to attract and bring focus on their scantily clad and sexually girating bodies... is it any wonder?

Crime is on the rise with random viscious bashings and assults in particular gaining regularity and increasing violence with young female perpetrators increasing faster than young males... with the judicary doing nothing to stem or even attempt to stem the flow not because the system is flawed but because they themselves have become so distant to the reality of life on other socio-economic stratas of society that they have no idea... when polititicians do nothing to legislate more powerful and effective laws... when parents negate their family duties in an effort to afford the homes and things they consider necessary... where kids are left alone from ages 3 and 4 upwards with no real parential or peer examples is it really any wonder?... Its becoming increasingly impossible for a family on a single income to afford the cost of a home without both partners working without the child being in child care for 8 or more hours per day where the child is effectively raised by strangers instead of parents is it really any wonder?

So.... I guess in answer to your question David... Is it any wonder?

Joe (SoCal)
07-22-2006, 07:12 AM
There are many who would smile nicely as they twist the knife in my ribs. I refuse to be more civil if it simply means I will be played for a fool more easily.


Only in the Deep South. :D

Why lil ol me didn't mean nothing by it shug. Why you is just precious, Bless yer heart Boy <wink>

;)

Phillip Allen
07-22-2006, 08:04 AM
Prior to hanging out here in the bilge, I was a member of a couple of other Internet-based discussion venues (via email).... and they were just as abrasive and uncivil as this place is. I think it's intrinsic in the anonymity of the internet: people hide behind the wire and are free to express what they really feel... which is often something less than civil.

In some limited sense, it's a good thing, I think.

I'm not convinced it is what we really feel so much as we got to say things strongly because we can't do so in company...as much