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Thorne
04-16-2006, 11:16 PM
As splashdown nears for my dory restoration, I'd like to add a builder's plate (or nameplate) -- to the inside of the transom. This would both give the boat some identification and cover the flush nuts from the gudgeon mounted on the outside of the transom.

;0 )

I'll check with the SF Maritime Museum to see if they can pinpoint the building date (sometime in the early-mid 1990's), but was wondering how it should be phrased, and how to list meself as the restorer / idiot who added sternsheets, centerboard, etc.

Probably just get some trophy shop to deeply engrave a brass plate -- the unengraved oval bronze one offered by our hosts is a bit rich for my blood at $23.

So, any wording ideas / traditions and feedback on using brass? Does the boat's name need to be on the plate also? Haven't come up with one yet, darn!

George Ray
04-17-2006, 06:47 AM
http://www.rockisland.com/~marshall/Images/plaque.gif

Thorne
04-17-2006, 09:06 AM
Thanks, George.

So it looks like: Built: / year / boatname / boatbuilder / location

I haven't registered the boat yet, and apparently it was never registered with the State. If I have to register her, they'll want some sort of hull # -- should I "self-assign" such a number in advance on the plate?

And I take it there ain't no such thing as a "restorer's plate"? I've seen pics of restorers carving the year of restoration next to the carved year of building...

Bruce Hooke
04-17-2006, 09:59 AM
Seems like there is a fair amount of variation in builders plates so I'd feel free to add a line about "restored by... in 2006" if that suits your fancy.

Registration requirments are really another kettle of fish completely. I understand that you need an official hull number (not a number that you make up) that is more permanently affixed to the hull than the builders plate is likely to be. There have been discussions around here in the past about the process of obtaining such a hull number. Of course the original builder should have done this, not you, the rebuilder...

Bill Perkins
04-17-2006, 11:51 AM
In Georgia boats built befor a certian date (early 70's I think ) don't need a Hull Identification Number (HIN ). It's a State matter ,so you need to check with your state , but I think you'll find the boat is Grandfathered in .

DJM
04-17-2006, 12:03 PM
Thanks, George.

So it looks like: Built: / year / boatname / boatbuilder / location

I haven't registered the boat yet, and apparently it was never registered with the State. If I have to register her, they'll want some sort of hull # -- should I "self-assign" such a number in advance on the plate?

Thorne,
When I went to register my boat in CA with the DMV, they wanted reciepts to prove that I purchased the materials to build it with. They assigned me a hull number, which was the same as the registration number with a few extra digits thrown in at the end.

They also dictate where the plate is to be mounted, and specify that it be attached in such a way as to show any tampering. As a minimum, you could just carve the number into the transom under the bench where it wouldn't show.


Since you are restoring a boat, they would probably want to see a reciept showing you purchased the hull. If you have kept reciepts for the CB, rudder mast and sail, they might settle for that.

Since the boat was a rowboat up until now, it never needed any registration before.

DJM
04-17-2006, 12:09 PM
Here is the CA DMV website. Near the bottom it talks about the hull ID attachement.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/boatsinfo/boatreg.htm

Thorne
04-17-2006, 12:12 PM
Yeah, it all comes back to me now...

Had the boat trailer fully re-registered last year, and the DMV has a special tag all of their own that they use for the HIN/VIN -- so I won't bother with making up any numbers.

Dave Lesser
04-22-2006, 12:16 AM
Here are a couple of plates on eBay. So far, just a buck each:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/COMMISSIONING-LOG-BRONZE-BRASS-NEW_W0QQitemZ4633792775QQcategoryZ26451QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/COMMISSIONING-LOG-BRONZE-BRASS-NEW_W0QQitemZ4633792742QQcategoryZ26451QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

http://static.flickr.com/44/132698230_57eaeb264a.jpg

Thorne
04-22-2006, 04:24 AM
Thanks, Dave! One is already up to $19, but we shall see...my eBay luck is out, lost every bidding war in the past few months -- been shopping for small jibs.


And DUH! I should have searched better, here is a thread from a few months ago on the same topic. Nice how these links auto-generate at the bottom of each page.

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=5837

Clan Gordon
04-22-2006, 05:16 AM
My personal opinion is "less is more" when it comes to "Builder's plates";

For large ships, and (here in Europe at least) for boats, it is common just to have three or four pieces of information;

BUILDER'S NAME
PLACE OF BUILD
YEAR OF BUILD
and perhaps HULL NUMBER (the builder's number)

These things will NEVER change. Thus, the original builder's plate can last the life of the boat.

The boat NAME and owner's NAME are things that may change.

As to numbers etc required for official/state/registration/local reasons, I make no comment.

Thorne
04-24-2006, 03:00 PM
I ended up ordering a 4" length of 3" flat brass plate from Hamilton, which should make a decent builder's plate. At under $7, and since I was already ordering hardware from them to mount my bowsprit, suchadeal!

;0 )

Songololo
04-28-2011, 08:29 AM
So Thorne, how did your builder's/restorer's plate exercise turn out? I have an oval blank plate from WB Store and am currently contemplating what it should contain.

I'm thinking about including the following information:

Model (Designer)
Builder Name
Year
Place



Pics please !!! :)

Thorne
04-28-2011, 08:32 AM
Too damn cheap to get it engraved, plus I need a thicker plate to cover the low-profile nuts on the back of the bolts holding the top gudgeon in place.

If you're gonna do the plate, consider getting a VIN or making up one, to meet any later requirements for a unique number for the boat if it is ever registered.

Songololo
04-28-2011, 08:38 AM
It's for the Wee Rob. Around here canoes, windsurfers ans craft under 2.5m LOA don't need to be registered. They as a minimum need to be marked with the owner's name and address. In my case the plate will contain this information and also that shown in the previous post - more for decorative reasons than anything else ...

simonmags
04-28-2011, 10:33 PM
You could get it sandblasted if you don't want it Engraved, but that too would probably cost money. Am interested to see what you do in the end and how it turns out, I find working with brass always an interesting challenge.

James McMullen
04-28-2011, 11:13 PM
Oh boys, don't miss out on the opportunity to add yet another exciting new facet to your boatbuilding hobby! It's the perfect excuse.......

Just say, "Honey, you wouldn't believe how much they wanted to charge me at the Engravers Shop for a nameplate. I know you like me to be thrifty so I decided to do it myself." And then hope to god she never sees the receipts from the Foundry Supply which would blow your cover.

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/29995/2510618880088484686S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2510618880088484686EflLZd)

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/12543/2788096170088484686S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2788096170088484686sDFhMy)

http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/46608/2018134390088484686S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2018134390088484686ZICBEX)

John P Lebens
04-28-2011, 11:52 PM
This is what I am considering for our builder's plate. The idea of keeping it short and simple is noted, I'm thinking about it.


SUELLEN -
Architect - Edwin Monk Sr. - 1938
Builder - Louis A. Hascall, Master Carpenter
N. J. Blanchard Boat Company, Seattle, WA.
Christened - 1951
Length - 37 feet, Beam - 10 feet 9 inches
Draft 3 feet 6 inches
Net Weight - 12 tons
USCG Documentation # 262395

I want to put this info in bronze because it was a lot of work to verify everything. Prior documentation is all over the map with spelling, dimensions, etc.

The PT Foundry can do a 6x4 1/2 oval for about $130. They charge by the size.

I have an ethical question - Hascall was a master carpenter at Blanchard at the time he completed the boat, but he built the boat for himself at his own shop. Maybe I'll footnote it... which really is too much info.

Thorne
04-29-2011, 09:34 PM
The text can easily get far too much. I want to put the year my dory skiff was built and where, plus list my wonderful self as the restorer ( and possibly the year), plus the name of the boat and possibly the design. Probably best to stick to the basics...

JimConlin
04-29-2011, 10:09 PM
Is it a boat or a monument?

The builder's name, location and a year/hull number are enough.

seedy
04-30-2011, 06:24 PM
From my Melonseed...
http://carl.krall.org/gallery3/var/resizes/boats/melonseed/P1171096web.jpg?m=1282342848

John P Lebens
04-30-2011, 08:18 PM
Is it a boat or a monument?

The builder's name, location and a year/hull number are enough.

The project has been kind of monumental, now that you mention it. The vessel has got some historic interest. I figure a 37 ft boat can handle a more involved plate... still short and sweet is best.

David G
04-30-2011, 08:49 PM
The project has been kind of monumental, now that you mention it. The vessel has got some historic interest. I figure a 37 ft boat can handle a more involved plate... still short and sweet is best.

John,

Personally, I favor erring on the side to Too Much info, rather than the minimalist approach. Your boat does, indeed, have some historical interest. With the work you've done on her, she'll live a long, renewed life. Toward the end of that second incarnation, you may well be doing some restorer a big favor by providing as many clues as possible.

John P Lebens
04-30-2011, 10:54 PM
It is true that this vessel was designed about 75 years ago by a respected Pacific NW naval architect. it was built during and after WW2 by a master carpenter born in 1896. We've got all the info in writing, but something in bronze will be good as well.