Scheherazade is launched. Where are photos?

[JimConlin]

Or does nobody have a lens that wide?

[TR]

have a look in Miss. boats

[Ed Waterman]

I have some pics if someone can tell me how to post them.

[Ken Buck]

Portland paper had a couple very small pics in their story:

Portland Press Herald Story (http://www.portland.com/news/state/030928scheherazade.shtml)

[Dave Fleming]

so many people are in need."IIRC, I posted my comments on this type before.
For a refresher... one of my earliest mentors and I had a discussion on the wealthy and the less fortunate.
His comments were something like this:
I don't mind rich folk. If it wasn't for rich folk who would be able to afford the work of many craftmen and keep the trades and crafts alive?
I too believe in that view.
That mealy mouthed broad is of a type that I consider useless. She can't do but, she sure can whine! Just how does she afford to be in the area to ***view*** the fall foliage?
Think of all the folks, from the 4 corners of the world who got wages for their work on that vessel and the future work she will provide to yet other folks in her upkeep and operation.
Yeah shut it all down and, put yet more people out of work and, on the bread lines. AND destroy craftsmanship while you are at it!

That type of attitude really gets my goat.

[ 10-01-2003, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Alan D. Hyde]

That's a negative attitude, all right, Dave.

She'd (except for herself and hers, of course) no doubt prefer equal sloth and misery to unequal achievement and happiness.

It only took the Pigrims a few bad winters to figure that one out.

Alan

[JimConlin]

Dave, you're right. That boat and the ones before her from Hodgdon's provided a lot of employment, training, technical knowledge and inspiration to build something beautiful.

It's good that there are patrons of our art.

[Ian McColgin]

Joining with Plato, we might seek the good, the true and the beautiful.

In dictatorships, the poor are forced at times to make something spectacular to feed the dictator's ego and sense of power. In a democracy, the rich make choises on how to spend. There are folk at the bottom and there are injustices to deal with but there's not cooersion of the many for the glorification of the one.

It may be conspicuous consumption but she has indeed employed many to make something of wonder. That is always worthy.

[George Roberts]

Relative to Ruth Wetherford's comments ---

The boat is insignficant relative to the needs of people or the demands on resources.

As long as not too many boats of that scale are built, all is unchanged in the world.

As far as boat building skills. Very few practical skills are used in a boat that size with wood core / plastic face construction.

[TR]

I assume the final statement in the above post was made in a misguided grab for negative attention. Too bad, wrong.

Tim Hodgdon and his guys, and other's in shops from Maine to Florida, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK, Germany, and a bunch of other places, put their heart's, souls, and some "practical skills", into building a gorgeous yacht. She's a nice wooden boat too!

All the best, Tad.

[mmd]

George, with all due respect to your many years of boatbuilding, your statement that, "Very few practical skills are used in a boat that size with wood core / plastic face construction.", is wrong and terribly unfair to the many skilled craftsmen and women who toil to create such magnificent ships. Had you said "traditional wooden shipbuilding skills", you may well have had a point, but as stated it is just plain wrong. Perhaps you should take a trip out east and visit a few of the yards such as Hodgdon's or Brooklin Boat Yard or Covey Island Boatworks here in Nova Scotia that are building world-class large wooden yachts and see for yourself the level of practical skills in woodworking, shipbuilding, joinery, cabinetmaking, and wood finishing that are used. I think that you would be impressed.

[ 10-01-2003, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: mmd ]

[George Roberts]

TR, mmd ---

The boat is indeed gorgeous. I assume the people are indeed skilled. I never said anything contrary.

In the phrase "very few practical skills" "few" counts the number of skills used not the number of times each skill is used, and "practical" is a measure of how useful the skills are outside of that boat building factory.

The scale of that boat is such that the processes, the engineering, and the skills are much different than boats of smaller size (let's say 40' in length).

[bill ladd]

With respect, Doesn't this thread now belong in the bilge? I read this forum many times each day. In fact, It's my opening page for Internet explorer. I love all you guys; your wit, wisdom, and priceless knowledge. But I, after only a few visits, learned NEVER to go into the bilge. I can't stand it down there, but I really enjoy it up here. So, let's get back to boats.

And I mean it when I say I love you guys. Can you imagine the vast knowledge and resources available to a greenhorn like me pre-internet? Couldn't a'happened, not in a million years.

all the best,
bill

[TR]

George;

I am not at all sure which skills were not used and why we would be worried about their application outside the yard. Do you imagine the wood in Scheherazade was poured into place? If you were to go and crawl around in her bilge, you would find fit and finish similar to the finest furniture. You would also find that this holds true even in, especially in, parts of her structure no one will ever see.

Again, the last part of your post shows no understanding of her construction. The processes, engineering, and skills used in Scheherazade's construction are identical to those that would be used in a modern wooden 40 footer. Only the scale is different. There are dozens of laminations in her backbone instead of a half-dozen. Same with her floors and ring frames. There are six laminations to make up her skin instead of 3-4. The pieces are all the same only their number and size have changed.

Tad.

[mmd]

Bill, I beg to differ. Debate and dissent is a very good vehicle for disemination of knowledge, and the subject at hand is germane to building and repair, unlike the non-boat topics of the bilge. My only concern is that the discussion remain civil and fair. I think that this is holding true to this point. Stay tuned - some good info on megayacht construction may fall out of the ensuing chatter! ;)

[Randy Sweet]

Here is a great web site for general info on the building and materials:
http://www.westsystem.com/webpages/epoxyworks/17/scheherazade.html

[Doug Wood]

excellent Randy - thanks

[mmd]

For those inclined to Vulcanism, Mars Metals has a good bit of info & pics on the casting of Scheherazade's ballast keel. MarsMetal (http://www.socius.on.ca/pages%20/marsproject.html)

[MarkC]

And what about the skill of the designer? tongue.gif

If I remember reading that site (Hodgdons)correctly, the owner for Antonisa wanted a pipe organ installed.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid82/p98f265dc9326ca9e257a8e40874a6085/faee38f4.jpg

You can imagine the designer saying, 'You want WHAT, WHERE?' :eek:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid82/p5c93657a3695717aa25c760b2549aef5/faee3aef.jpg

Beethoven after midnight.

How do they keep the pipes from rusting?

[ 10-02-2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: MarkC ]

[mmd]

MarcC; been there, done similar. The designer's reply is more likely to be, "That will add approximately $X to the cost, do you still want it?" If the client's pockets are deep enough, he/she can have just about anything that they want (within the boundaries of safety and engineering). Bathtub? Certainly. Sixty-inch plasma TV? Of course. Elevator? No problem. Fireplace? How large.

No request is too outrageous if accompanied by copious cash. ;)

[JimConlin]

And some designers have the skill t pull it off gracefully, with the help of the owner's money.

IIRC, organ pipes are made of a tin alloy.