another episode in the Clintons' theater of the absurd

[cedar savage]

...it's not surprising that just when Hillary is attempting to submit herself as the Democrats' preeminent national security hawk by simulating outrage at the Dubai Ports deal as an "unacceptable risk," the avuncular ex-president is advising UAE leaders on how to convince American officials the deal poses no security risk.

Clearly unembarrassed by this contradiction, Hillary told the New York Post she was unaware her husband had given Dubai officials advice on the matter a few weeks ago.

Once Bill's conflict of interest surfaced, Bill and Hillary scrambled to restore that familiar harmonious patina to their marital union. They both denied any conflict and insisted he stands behind her on the issue.

How can this two-for-one, ubiquitous presidential duo say no conflict exists when he is advising foreign leaders how to circumvent U.S. politicians such as his loving wife and has accepted between $500,000 and $1 million of donations from UAE for his presidential library?

I mean, shouldn't reasonable people question their sincerity? Does anyone believe for a New York second that the loquacious Bill Clinton, advice dispenser to any and all within reach, hasn't meticulously coached his power wife on how best to position herself on the ports deal?... From a conservative source, where else? (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/davidlimbaugh/2006/03/07/188848.html)

[Memphis Mike]

http://www.hillary.org/img/hillary1.jpg

[cedar savage]

I've been waiting for a chance to use one of Joe CSOH's little phrases: "Yuck, I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth."

[Victor]

Who says a husband and wife have to agree? If they were in business or law and were working toward different ends, no one would say a word. Besides, she's in office and he's not.

[ccmanuals]

it's obvious dubya jr doesn't agree dubya sr and no where does it say a son has to agree with his father :D

[pcford]

From a conservative source, where else?Conservative source? Yes, I suppose. The writer was Rush Limbo's brother. A paragon of probity and intellect, no doubt.

However, looking at his bio, he has military experience, a law degree and a degree with honors (albeit from a school with no real cachet). It is, however, a record of achievement miles better than his brother, who is an entertainer to the gullible and intellect-challenged.

[PatCox]

Interesting, no mention of the divergent positions of Senator and Mr. Liddy Dole on the issue. Mr. Dole was likewise hired by Dubai as a consultant, and Mrs. Dole has criticized the deal. Such shenanigans, it truly makes your head spin around.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by cedar savage:
I've been waiting for a chance to use one of Joe CSOH's little phrases: "Yuck, I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth."I just did too. I can't stand Hillary redface.gif

[Norman Bernstein]

How can this two-for-one, ubiquitous presidential duo say no conflict exists when he is advising foreign leaders how to circumvent U.S. politicians such as his loving wife and has accepted between $500,000 and $1 million of donations from UAE for his presidential library?
Hmmm... how many millions were donated to Bush 41's presidential library... from Saudi Arabia... you know, that bastion of freedom and democracy?

[cedar savage]

Hmmm... how many millions were donated to Bush 41's presidential library... from Saudi Arabia... you know, that bastion of freedom and democracy?
Barbara's not attacking the ports deal as a security risk or running for (gag) POTUS.

[Norman Bernstein]

What does Hillary's position have to do with Bills? Other than the fact that these two are so widely despised, that pretty much ANYTHING they do is going to be resoundly criticized?

I guess I must have missed that law... you know, the one who says that husband and wife are obligated to share the same political views.

I presume that you're going to criticize Mary Matalin for having married a liberal democrat?

[troutman]

Right, after the tragic Somalia action there were what, a few casualties in the Balkans,(vehicle accidents I think) pactically full employment, the NASDAQ over 5000 and the Dow over 13,000. . . .those Damn Clintons. O, right, feeding tubes were coming out of brain dead people. But Rush will tell you Bill had nothing to do with that good stuff.

[ljb5]

Originally posted by Norman Bernstein:
I guess I must have missed that law... you know, the one who says that husband and wife are obligated to share the same political views.You must not be a Southern Baptist.

[pcford]

feeding tubes were coming out of brain dead people. You talking about Rush's "dittoheads?"

[BrianW]

What does Hillary's position have to do with Bills? Other than the fact that these two are so widely despised, that pretty much ANYTHING they do is going to be resoundly criticized?Sounds familiar, as in how some here criticize everything President Bush does.

If she's gonna run, this is the stuff that will be news from now until she loses. Neither side can claim the high road.

BTW, how many here agree with Hillary on this issue?

[PatCox]

What of the Doles? They are in the precise position of the Clintons on this issue.

[Garrett Lowell]

I think Bill Clinton has done very well as a former President. I would say I trust his word over Hillary's.

[PatCox]

Troutman, you left out a balanced budget, a social security surplus, paying down the national debt, reduction in the number of federal employees. All the horrible things the Clintons did. I just thank God our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over.

[troutman]

PatCox, I didn't want to pile it on. Those were the days weren't they. . . when my 12 year old wasn't in debt to her soon to be pierced ears.

[ 03-07-2006, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: troutman ]

[Norman Bernstein]

BTW, how many here agree with Hillary on this issue? I think that she's representing the views of her constituency, as well as the view of the majority of Americans, fairly accurately... irrespective of the merits of the situation.

I don't happen to believe that security is any more jepoardized by Dubai operation of port facilities. I think security has been lousy for a long time and hasn't gotten much better since 9/11...and this is, or ought to be, a Federal responsibility.

Irrespective of all this, the port sale was a great example of political tone deafness on the part of the Bush crowd... and another demonstration of the arrogance that power creates. They got reamed by the bad handling of the situation.... deservedly so.

[troutman]

We had a nice discussion on the ports elsewhere when after about 40 good posts someone called Meerkat dropped a grenade on the guy with only 147 posts telling me to talk english. someone asked why we come here. . . that's one reason I only have 147.

anyway if this deal can't be talked about out in the open for 45 days there's something wrong with it. Personlly I think someone's profiting that they don't want us to know about.

A big local story is dredging the Delaware. Pa and NJ govs both Dems at war. real politics at work here but interesting. The port authority in NJ runs the commuter trains to Philly and the Pa gov is threatening to cut funding and stop the trains.

[cedar savage]

I love the way that you liberal fellow travelers never stay on message. You really, really need to learn better message discipline:


"miles better than his brother, who is an entertainer to the gullible and intellect-challenged."
"Such shenanigans, it truly makes your head spin around."
"from Saudi Arabia... you know, that bastion of freedom and democracy? "
"I presume that you're going to criticize Mary Matalin for having married a liberal democrat?"
"O, right, feeding tubes were coming out of brain dead people. "
"You must not be a Southern Baptist."
" You talking about Rush's "dittoheads?"
"I didn't want to pile it on. "

[Norman Bernstein]

cedar, since you're obviously badly in need of a hint, what the hell, I'll give it to ya:

Not everyone who thinks that Bush is, and has been, a total incompetent, is a 'liberal'.

You might want to read a newspaper now and then and see what many conservatives are saying about the guy.

[cedar savage]

Norm: You are one of the most liberal persons posting on this forum. To say anything else indicates that it is you, not I, that is:


obviously badly in need of a hint, what the hell, I'll give it to ya:

You might want to read a newspaper now and then and see what many conservatives are saying about the guy. When you read up on what we're saying about Bill 'n' Hillary.

[ 03-07-2006, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: cedar savage ]

[troutman]

Cedar, I see your retired so your old enough to know that "fellow traveler" is from the days of Joe McCarthy. I'm wearing two hearing aids I got from fighting the "commies". Bet the younger folks here don't know you were calling those of us you quoted commies; or do you have that list that tailgunner Joe claimed to have in his pocket. The times are passing you by. If you don't question this bunch no telling what you'll put up with.

[cedar savage]

The '08 Presidential Campaign is almost underway. I'm questioning Bill 'n' Hillary for President again.

[troutman]

Cedar, honestly, can you tell me that the Clinton years weren't great years for an investor? Hell, even I made money.

[cedar savage]

I did O.K. It's not always about money though.

BTW: fellow travelers are just communist sympathizers, not actually registered communists.

[troutman]

I'm the guy who got the hearing aids fighting in a war for less than minimum wage so hold the "not always about the money" philosophy please. Sympathizers, card carrying, you know the little innuendo game your playing. Funny thing is that most of the folks under 50 wouldn't know a fellow travler from a fellow trombone player. I'll try to keep it honest though.

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by cedar savage:
I've been waiting for a chance to use one of Joe CSOH's little phrases: "Yuck, I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth."That's what you get for swallowing. :D

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by troutman:
I'm wearing two hearing aids I got from fighting the "commies". Try some nice Americqn or Japanese hearing aids - that old soviet stuff is junk. :D

[Norman Bernstein]

Norm: You are one of the most liberal persons posting on this forum. Compared to ljb5, I'd say I stand barely to the left of Attilla the Hun :D