Condee Rice-"Mea Culpa"

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

The bilge bantar has gotten a little banal lately.Topics like, "may cat puked of the rug" and "should I put training wheels on my Harley" certainly pale to what has appeared here in the past.
So I offer for your edification the Secretary of State making numerous statements that boil down to "we screwed up,big time".
What going on? Why does the "Unholy Three" allow her to badmouth their record? The words she is speaking today may tumble from the lips of the next Democratic candidate for president.
And , for heavens sake, please stifle all those mundane topics like "I listened to cut #3 on my new Sherril Crow record", or "my gloxinias have started to sprout".
This is the bilge ! Let the feathers fly.
CONDEE RICE. SAINT OR SINNER?
your buddy in Ahia,
Charlie

[ 04-03-2006, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: Cuyahoga Chuck ]

[Norman Bernstein]

It seems, Chuck, to be a problem of temporary burn-out of the usual bilge political posters....

Maybe it's time for a 'civil discussion' thread... now all we gotta do is pick the right topic. Condi Rice doesn't seem like fertile ground for all that much discussion, frankly... unless she's decided to run for Pres smile.gif

[Paul Pless]

I'm swearing off politics, religion, and sex. Well two out of three at least.

[ 04-03-2006, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Paul Pless ]

[Norman Bernstein]

Discussing politics and religion might not be quite as much fun as sex... but you can spend a lot more time doing it smile.gif

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

http://www.buckfush.com/images/Condoleezza_Rice_Phone.jpg

[Paul Pless]

Speak for yourself Norman. :D

[Norman Bernstein]

Hey, I can keep it up for hours and hours!

(I was referring to discussing politics and religion, of course :D )

[LeeG]

ifn you want I can dig up the reporters question to Rice about GWs innocence and ignorance over bad intel,,when the recently released Fitzgerald material shows he did, she did, and she lied about it.
But what the hey,,it's old news and no one got a blow job.

[PatCox]

Its SamF. I used to love arguing, the nuttier the opponent, the better (what was that guy from Texas' name again?).

But SamF has stolen all the joy. He just wears you down, twisting and spinning and dodging and feinting, the effort and the energy he absorbs just leaves nothing left for a good old fashioned debate over whether Bush is evil, or just stupid and incompetent.

[ 04-03-2006, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: PatCox ]

[Norman Bernstein]

I prefer debating (arguing, discussing, whatever) with a 'rational conservative'... by which, I mean, someone who doesn't resort to long C&P's from blatantly biased sources, uses dismissive sneering to discredit the opposition, makes groundless accusations (you know, 'why do you hate America', etc...).

There aren't that many of those types around... but I enjoy debating with them. Neither side ever really convinces the other, but there canbe a lot of enjoyable debate as a result.

[Chris Coose]

Originally posted by PatCox:
(what was that guy from Texas' name again?).

Stan V.
He recruited a friend who showed up for a while, whose name forget now.

It appears the bilge is the chorus, with the occasional flame throwers. The national political climate has continued to sink to further and deeper low points.
What can a person say about Condi having to sneak in and out of Baghdad at this point in the occupation?
How can a reasonable conservative support continued tax cuts in war time with a deficit moved into a hertofore unknown place?
dubbya running a dead dog and pony show that is sinking him everytime he opens his trap.

Hell, what can a liberal say about this state of affairs that hasn't been said before?

[John of Phoenix]

WHAT?? NOT GREETED WITH FLOWERS??

Rummy's gonna be pissed.

Hell, what can a liberal say about this state of affairs that hasn't been said before? Liberal? Come on. Any rational being.

[ 04-03-2006, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: John Teetsel ]

[JimD]

GW puked on Irug. He shoulda kept the training wheels for his mountain bike.

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Paul Pless:
I'm swearing off politics, religion, and sex. Well two out of three at least.Saint Paul? :D

[LeeG]

Here's a fun take on Fukuyamas disaffection with the kings Vulcan Knights,,er Knightette in Condis case.

By Roger Morris

http://www.counterpunch.org/

The substantive void, in fact, once Fukuyama has stated the obvious about failure in Iraq, is plain. For all hype as a communiqué from the ardent, now-divided heart of neoconservatism, there is often less in this essay, as Tallulah Bankhead would say, than meets the eye. The critique of the Iraq War is banal, almost cursory after years of analysis by Administration critics in the US and abroad, and by now hardly novel in a growing chant of conservative dissent. Fukuyama's rendition of Islamic terrorism and the political-cultural phenomenon of postmodern jihad amounts to a simplistic morality play of modernity versus barbarism, good against evil, untroubled by any of the richly layered and tragic history of the Arab world since the late Ottoman Empire, including the deep anti-colonial impulse as well as sectarian atavism in the heritage and seeding of al-Qaeda. Much of the story, as we should know, is of the West in its own cold war jihad, overtly or covertly, directly or by proxy, not just modernizing and patronizing but often manipulating and brutalizing societies in painful transition. Despite his brief tenure in the Reagan regime State Department, Fukuyama seems one of those academics on whose rarified world of conferences and conflations the CIA or MI6 never intrude.

Nor can be bring himself to admit, along with his friends' folly in Mesopotamia, the glaring fraud and forfeit of the globalism he made his reputation revering and still exalts, a world of evidence notwithstanding. Measures were taken "prematurely," as the author delicately describes the IMF, WTO and corporate plundering that has brought such economic and environmental havoc to so much of the planet. The resulting political turmoil, of course, mocks the "end of history" with a rising tide of popular and even neo-socialist reassertion, forces to which Fukuyama in his own unexamined "mindset" seems oblivious.
...............

The problem, of course, is that history's shattering verdict came in. We know from the Kremlin archives, the streets of Baghdad, and so much more just how unrelievedly ignorant they were. No pikers these, our turn-of-the-century neoconservatives have been wrong about everything of consequence they elbowed and brazened to judge, from the Soviet Union to Iraq, from democracy as panacea to capitalism as hypocrisy, from the lessons of Vietnam to the meaning of 9/11, and not least the tragedy of an Israel whose ultimate descent to colonial oppression many of them aided as a veritable sixth column of divided loyalty. Over it all was the requisite machismo, the obliviousness to human costs Fukuyama can allude to only in euphemisms like "rolling the dice." "The enthusiasm of sedentary, effete men (and women) for bloodshed they never see, bits of body they never have to retch over, stacked morgues they will never have to visit, searching for a loved one" John Pilger calls it more honestly. "Their role to enforce parallel worlds of unspoken truth and public lies"

[ 04-03-2006, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

A nice turnout, folks, but, not much of a rumble. We seem to be missing Al Hyde and the Bard of Slidell-on-the Lake.
Hang around anyway. A C&P from the Wall Street Journal will show up sometime soon.
Charlie

[ 04-03-2006, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: Cuyahoga Chuck ]

[PatCox]

You know, there really just isn't as much disagreement anymore, I think, just kneejerk naysaying. I think pretty much everyone knows that Bush is an evil moron and his war a folly. So we just don't get those kind of knockdown brawls over that topic anymore. Some listless defenses of Bush, but you can sense there's no real fire behind them, they seem prompted more by reflex reaction and an unwillingness to accept the fact that the writer, deep down inside, agrees with an evil liberal. Instead, we get Hyde's cut and paste apologia which invariably consist of conservative attempts to cast their utter failures as triumphs.

The only way to get a rise anymore is to bring up God, materialism, and evolution, which will bring out Sam who will filibuster the thread to death and annoyingly cut and paste quotes of everything everyone else ever said.

Of course, you never know when Donn will come out with some thuggish outburst, but he's just as likely to wander into gardening and cooking, too.

I think I shall cook chicken livers for my cat tonight, anyone got a good recipe?

[LeeG]

time to smell the roses?

[LeeG]

"the rubble of victory"

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=73663

[Art Read]

You guys enjoying yourselves? See you in November! :D

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

We've made note of your affiliations, Art. Just don't take a leave of absence from the Bilge if the Reds get kicked in the crotch come November.
As we speak Red presence here is getting ever more minute.
Thanks for dropping by.

Charlie

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I've been quietly enjoying the British Press making reference to Rice Straw , sometimes printed as rice-straw which is a covert way of saying that both our respective Secretaries of State, much in each others' company, are of no weight in the counsels of their bosses, or anyone else.

The sneaking into Baghdad was rather eloquent, wasn't it?

[LeeG]

Art, Art, Art, wouldn't it be enough to not have politicians screwing the pooch? That's all, a politician who doesn't try and diagnose a brain dead patient in Florida and make it a Congressional issue,,a politician who doesn't get bribed using military industrial complex cash, a politician who doesn't send soldiers to war by subverting every damn check and balance along the way.

[Art Read]

Now, now, Chuckie... I've been here a lot longer than you. (not that that matters...) So trust me on this. The whims and wherewithals of political happenstance will have absolutely no bearing on my interest in boats of wood or with my appreciation and concern for the fortunes and foibles of the many acquaintances and friends I've found here. And yet, I'll STILL make fun of silly partisan posturing when I feel like it!

BTW... I suspect you know far, far less about my "affiliations", as you term it, than you might imagine. I also suspect your "giddy" assumption of a national political sea-change is, perhaps regretfully, a wishfull self-delusion.

(But thanks for playing... :D )

[ 04-04-2006, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Art Read ]

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

a politician who doesn't get bribed using military industrial complex cash, Lee, let's not get carried away here... :D

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Oh, Art! Your presence here for so long has dulled your sensabilities.
Our prattle may be inane but the topic of our jousting is pregnant with promise.
Imagine, being alive in this lowest of low points of American history. Oh, what stories to reiterate in your old age.
"Yes, yes, I was there. I voted for him. The devil made me do it. If only we'd used The Bomb on those blasted Iraqies it would have all come out all right!"

Chas.

[Art Read]

Lee, other than that sad circus surrounding the poor woman from Florida, nothing you mentioned has ANYTHING to do with just which rascals we choose to support. Sadly, the rascals we DO elect often manage to delay the true consequences of their tenure until well after they have safely retired and signed their book contracts...

[Art Read]

Chuck? You're losing it buddy.

[Art Read]

"...this lowest of low points of American history..."

Can you say "hyperbole"? :D

[LeeG]

Originally posted by Art Read:
"...this lowest of low points of American history..."

Can you say "hyperbole"? :D what me worry?

[Art Read]

"The sky is falling..."

[LeeG]

apocalypse!

[LeeG]

Homeland Defense!
Terrorist Threat Level Orange!
Terrorists crossing the borders!
Whatever it takes!
Terrorist Tips Call ......
350$Billion for an experiment
Well it's not 55,000
And no one got a blow job

[Art Read]

"Great Satin"
"Infidels"
"Crusaders"
"Imperialists"
"Unbelievers"

[Art Read]

Wanna keep playing?

[LeeG]

Iran is making a bomb!
US ICBMS converted to conventional munitions!
Iran deploying 200mph torpedo!
80% chance worl oil supply disrupted for 3 or more months!
a mushroom cloud on the Potomac!

[ 04-04-2006, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

[Art Read]

"US ICBMS converted to conventional munitions!"

Really? That's a pretty good idea actually... How accurate are they?

[PatCox]

Schiavo, Social Security, $3 a gallon gasoline. The ridiculous Medicare drug benefit.

These things do indeed depend on whom we elect. The current administration has a talent for ineptitude. Its not what they do as that they do it so badly.

I think these simple things are the ones that really make the difference. Schiavo, which showed him (Bush) to be a naked panderer led by his nose by the whacky right, his Social Security proposal, which showed him to be a radical willing to reneg on the promise just to enrich the Wall Street brokers, $3 gas, which shows he just doesn't give a **** about working people, and the Medicare drug benefit, which shows him to be simply incompetent at policy.

These things are the reason people are changing, not the war or ideology or any of the rhetoric.

Schiavo started it all.

[LeeG]

Originally posted by Art Read:
"US ICBMS converted to conventional munitions!"

Really? That's a pretty good idea actually... How accurate are they?Not as good as box cutters.

[Art Read]

The president sets gas prices? Does he control pork belly futures too? ('Cause I've got a June contract I'm underwater on and could REALLY use his help!)

[Art Read]

Box cutters require at least a few dedicated suicides to strike their target. ICBMs don't.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I think pretty much everyone knows that Bush is an evil moron I don't think he's truly evil.

The rest of the world has known for some time how stupid he is. Obviously that is a trait that 51% of americans support. So it goes...

[LeeG]

Yes, who do you think has more?
ed. box cutters, not morons, oh hell that's a toss up

[ 04-04-2006, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I have more. More than I need. I'm grateful too.

[Paul G.]

edited to remove spleen

[ 04-04-2006, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Paul G. ]

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

A while back I thought this thread was going to die aborning. Thanks to all who helped make it work. I was hoping for a little more bile but, on second thought, it all went off marvelously.

Charlie

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Thanks for having us Chuck... it was a blast. I'd come to one of your threads anytime. They rock.