Betty Ford Center for Woodenboataholics

[Gary Bergman]

Well,away from surgery, looks like my loan deal on the square-tops'l ketch is closing next week!Lemmee see...square-rigger,wooden trawler,Herreshoff ketch,...what's out there for therapy? it may be time...... :D

[WWheeler]

Admitting that you have a problem is generally the step in recovery. Unfortunately, this includes realizing that your problem IS a problem, if you catch my drift. So far, I'm having difficulty with this.

[Dave Fleming]

Gary, you are going to need your own boat harbour or at least a marina!

Less see here, what is the deepest draught-length O/A-shoreside needs-marine railway....oh boy this is gonna be neat. :D :D :D

[Donn]

It'd be interesting (and maybe scary) to know how many boats are owned by all 6130 of us.

[Gary Bergman]

yeah, i'm still in denial about my fiberglass ones...oh,my,...better get some for sale signs.which step izzat?

[ 12-12-2002, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Gary Bergman ]

[BATMAT]

Hi ;my name is Jim .I'm on step one .I fall in love with boat plans ; have owned two boats and am starting to build in the spring.Point is I 'm wondering how many boat plans we own between us all or am I the only one with that problem(5)?

[Dave Fleming]

Jim, how about 20 or so sets? From 11 foot sailing punts to 120 foot tugs and lots inbetween.

And NOBODY better touch my stash either. :( :(

[BATMAT]

Oh Good!!!
I'm feeling GUILTY and a certain person has threatened to tell all ,about these plans under the bed.Actually I have 8 if you count dingys (Shell back; which I will definately build )

[ 12-12-2002, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: BATMAT ]

[Gary Bergman]

that's it...[lying on couch]....keep talkin'...

[Dave Fleming]

Gary, you got a couch in those 30 or so feet of boat?

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

A lot of help you are Dave hehehehe :D

[Concordia..41]

If we calculate (or attempt to calculate) linear feet of boat length of all 6000+ plus of us, I bet we could make it to the moon and back :D

Um er um do dingys count in LFO (linear feet overall)???

- M

[Donn]

M...sure dinghy's count. The determination is LOBH...length on bulkhead.

[ 12-12-2002, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: LOON ]

[Dave Hadfield]

Problem? What problem? I have 11 boats at the moment and I don't see any problem. I just buy a lot of tarps. And cheaper paint.

I'm at 183ft, CBL (cumulative boat length).

I bet that's not first place, not around here. Probably not even in the money.

[LisaS]

I have four boats...all small. All of them below 20 feet.

Lisa

[JimD]

Five plans, 3 built, all small, fourth underway, fifth maybe one fine day.
PS - Dave, you have a problem, its time you came to grips with the fact that cheap paint won't last. jimd

[Gary Bergman]

well,no couch, but....the setee to port's a six footer{when I can throw the boatcocker off the upper 2 feet}. :D 219 cbl with the new one....

[ 12-13-2002, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Gary Bergman ]

[Noah]

My Name's Noah, and I have 4 wooden boats soon to be 5. They range from 13 feet to 26 feet, and I have never paid more that $325 for any of them. (Plus a couple of Fiberglass one's)

My girlfriend said she would move out if I got another boat. I took my chances with it...
Now all I have to do is go pick it up.

[AngWood]

Let's see...60 linear feet (five boats). No, I don't have five twelve footers.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by LOON:
It'd be interesting (and maybe scary) to know how many boats are owned by all 6130 of us.I got a F@#$*GLASS Kayak 17ft
Annette The Sailing Dhow 9ft
eBay Weekender Schooner 20ft
Keel bulkheads and transom built for a Stevenson Pocket Cruiser 18ft
Hmm So what's that make 3 1/2 boats - 64 CBL ? smile.gif

[ 12-13-2002, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

3 planked and one glass...79' and plenty of room left on the bulkhead for more....now, if Joe would quit posting, finish his chores, and go see that CC.... :D

[John Bell]

CBL is 87', down from a high of 140 or so.

The discussion of CBL reminds me of the brainstorm that hit me earlier this year: getting a group together to build a modular boat of great length. How's 100' sound?
The web page I assembled to describe the idea. (http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/infinite_modular_sharpie_project_home.htm)

Am I nuts? :D

[ 12-13-2002, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: John Bell ]

[Donn]

Yep!

[Wild Dingo]

Totally!

On t uther and... :D


The idea is to make a 100-120 foot boat, not a 300 footer. If we wound up with that kind of participation, it would be best to build two or more boats instead.Someone muttered something a few weeks back about the Hamericas Cup bein boring... now what about the Cooperative Cup?? :cool:

Races?!!!! 35knots???? wooden sectional skiff??? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeflaminhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oops! splash gluggg :eek: tongue.gif

Take it easy
Shane

[Johannah]

Lisa, you never said how long your CBL is. Lots of us have little boats by the bunch (though few have your works of art).

The following are made of many materials, some wooden, but it seemed to fit the theme of diminished mental capacity.

ratty old aluminum rowboat 14'
wooden sharpie row/sail 14'
the Maytom, a disgraceful and very old fibreglass canoe 16'
Weekender sailboat 19' (LOA)
wooden sailing canoe 15'
crazy husband's beloved Avon whitewater raft rolled up in sitting room 16' (inflated)
same guy's kayak 12'

CBL = 116' plus not very flattering measure of sanity of adults in family!

[ 12-13-2002, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Johannah ]

[brad9798]

I only have three boats, so I'm not as unhealthy as some of you folks!! ;)

60' CBL- 35', 15' 10' respectively.

Brad

[Noah]

My CBL=89' wood + some fiberglass.

Trouble...

[Ian McColgin]

Counting the Thistle Il Pipe and counting Grana's boomkin and bowsprit (laying it out by how much dock space I could take up without overlap or overhang) we're up to 135', 30' of which are glass between the kayak deLacey and the dink Tibbots, but all of which a slathered in epoxy . . .

[Gresham CA]

I just have chump change compared to most of y'all. 43'CBL. One 28' and one 15'.

[Bruce Taylor]

8 little boats (and a bun in the oven). Only 2 are wood, though...or 3, if you count the moulds for my new one.

[Dave Hadfield]

Bruce, have you got the molds set up for the new boat yet? The one you designed and posted in that thread on Designs page?

Worth a picture....

[David Tabor (sailordave)]

Hmmmm I've sold my 18' Hampton one design and the 15' (stretched to 15'6") Hiawatha Stripper.

But now I have:
22'7" Star Class
19' Lightning
14' LASER (f!%&#gl@$$)
8' Optimist

and have started a CLC kayak (Yare) 16'3"

So grand total is 63'7" soon to be 80'
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or none if the wife gets really pi$$ed and burns them all.

TRUE story. Years ago, 1988 maybe, I went to Mystic to see all the boats they had in storage. Spent the night, went to their library in the morning and then tried to see the boats. Through a mixup I was told I wouldn't be able to see them. I explained that I had driven 6 hours to come see them after being told who and when to contact. Ended up getting shown through the warehouse of 200+ boats! There was some cruising boat, I don't know, maybe 30' or so. Some guy had it and his wife found out about another lady friend or something like that, got torqued at him and attacked the boat w/ an axe!! Still had some gashes in the planking.

[Conard]

How are we defining "boat"? Does it need to float if put in the water today, or is it sufficient if it floated at one time? Ya see, I've got some restoration projects in various stages from 90% complete to pipe dream.

[Bayboat]

Hello, my name is Clint and I'm a hopeless case, guaranteed so by my friends. SWMBO is long gone, so my guilt can only be self-imposed. I'm not about to stop. But don't feel sorry for me. All but one are wooden.

1 Hinckley Sou'wester, 1947, 34'2" (are we counting inches?)
1 Herreshoff 12 1/2, 1930, 15'11"
1 Penguin, ca. 1960, 12'.
1 Shew & Burnham Whitehall, ca. 1975, 12'.
2 El Toros, 1967 and 1992, 7'11".
1 Crestliner aluminum cartopper, 1969, 12'.

Total length: rounded off, about 102'.

Schooner Boat Works, of which I am the head-as-a-whole (say that fast), has the following completed or under construction. I'm not recording the lengths because they don't belong to me. Some are built by beginners' classes, others by individuals.

1 Joel White "Lala", cold molded.
1 Bolger/Payson "Bobcat", plywood.
1 Narrow-beamed custom pulling boat, plywood.
1 Catspaw dinghy, carvel.
1 Bailey Whitehall, lapstrake instead of original carvel.
1 "Stickleback" dory, plywood lapstrake.
2 Ocean kayaks, 1 strip planked, 1 plywood.
1 Canoe, strip planked.
3 Joel White Shellback dinghies, plywood lapstrake.
3 Joel White Nutshell Prams, plywood lapstrake.
2 Optimist dinghies, plywood.

Wisconsin Lake Schooner Education Association, now known as Pier Wisconsin, built a 98' LOD 3-masted gaff schooner between 1994 and 2001. I was director of construction until we received enough money from donations to hire a bona-fide professional shipbuilder. Fortunately, she wasn't all that far along before he came aboard.

All of this adds up to just over 300', and if we add the ones I actually own to the ones I built or helped to build, it comes to a shade over 400'. That's almost half the length of the Titanic, for what that's worth.

I'm not counting something like 3 dozen El Toros that a friend and I built back in the 1950's, plus a dozen that I taught members of a local yacht club to build about 15 years ago.

When will I graduate from the Betty Ford CFWBA? Probably never.

[ 12-15-2002, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Bayboat ]

[Donn]

Clint...it looks like you may be one of the sickest. I hope you get out on one of them every so often.

[Bayboat]

Yep, during our season, which only lasts about half of the year, I go sailing almost every weekend and some weekdays, too. I've really got it bad. I gave the Hinckley to my two sons, so now they take me out. Lately I've spent more time with the 12 1/2. What a boat! She's great fun to sail. The Penguin and one of the El Toros have been taken over by one son and grandson. The other El Toro is at Schooner Boat Works for repainting. The Whitehall occupies my boat shop for refinishing (my car mopes outside but still thinks it's a garage). My other son continues to work on rebuilding his Sam Crocker schooner, and I often help him (kibitzing is help, isn't it?). So I keep busy feeding my affliction.

[Hughman]

69 feet. I didn't count the 3' canoe. smile.gif

[Wild Dingo]

aaaahhhhhhhhhh I feel sooooo underboataged!!! oooohhh someone save me!! :eek:

well... gawd Im flamin envious!! tongue.gif

Okay back to it... geeeeeeeezus 400ft!!! and my hoons thought I had problems and was obsessed! SHEEEEESH!!! :rolleyes:

alrighty Shane get it together!... nah I shouldnt be in such aweflaminsome company... I dont deserve yous fellas! ;) ... true Im stonkered... absoflaminlutely stunned... what a wealth of boats!!!

Im gonna go hang me head in shame! :(

Hi I am Shane and I thought I had an addiction but turns out its only minor and in me head compared to all me mates I aint got no problem... ;)

Hi Im Shane and I want an obsessive addiction to wooden boats just like Clint cause Clints me hero and hes totally overdosing... tongue.gif

Hey Clint when they stick yer in that clinic can I mind yer baots?? HUH?? CAN I HUH?? :cool:

Take it easy

[John B]

I can scratch up nearly 67ft without bowsprit.
41' Kauri
8' glass.( this is the sacrificial component)
7' ply
5'6 ply
5' ply
the scary thing is that last 4 go on the first 1.
plus 4 sets oars ,1 cb, 1 rudder, mast and boom.
what a comedy show.

[Fitz]

Hello, my name is John. I came home Saturday with my 5th derelict wooden canoe.

I almost had to sleep under it.

Now my two year old daughter shakes her finger at me and mimics mom, "No more canoes, Daddy!!"

[ 12-16-2002, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Fitz ]

[BATMAT]

I'm at 25 feet,Northern 25 ,it';s for sale,problem is ,I always went sailin instead of buildin the plans I bought and love every one .I intend on mending my ways in the next 4 years ,I will not sail first but build a R. Woods 32' Eclipse and the Shellback to go with it.So far the shelter is complete in the back yard so we are on the right path.

[Bruce Taylor]

Bruce, have you got the molds set up for the new boat yet? The one you designed and posted in that thread on Designs page?The moulds have been built for a couple of weeks, and the strongback is ready. I haven't set it all up yet, because it's been too chilly for bare-hands works (the insurance inspector made me remove my "artisanale" (i.e. "handcrafted") oil-drum stove, so I've got no heat out there at the moment.

I'll post a picture when the moulds are up...assuming everything is fair and true :;

[Johannah]

John B, your description of CBL comedy show leaves out the dancing urchins gadding about the flotilla on deck. Your family setting sail must resemble a very odd sail-powered freighter!

[Shang]

...It followed me home...can I keep it?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid9/p79532f17c17e62c907d909702a4fea93/fe296dc2.jpg

[John B]

It doesn't look so bad when it's going Johannah. I on the cabin, 1 on the counter or towing,2 down below.It's just that "invasion" factor when arriving at a bay/beach/cove. Must be terrifying for them others.mwahahaha.

[Bayboat]

Shane in Oz: So far I'm an outpatient, but some day they'll probably lock me up, and then I'd be glad to lend you a boat or two. We could start with one of the El Toros, which I would deliver before encarceration. Of couse I'd have to equip her for seagoing--a wet bar, enclosed head, and bunks for eight. At 7'11" it will be a bit tight, but they do it with the snot boats, so why not?

Don't be so humble. You're doing your share, especially keeping the Forum interesting and even a bit wild at times. That's good for it.

[skuthorp]

One Mack, One Sunfish, 6 hour canoe unasembled, 9ft Pram under way and an inflatable. Scads of plans.
BATMAT, you should talk to Wild Dingo, he's a planaholic too!

John Bell I love your idea for a group construction, sort of like a club modular model railway. Could be great fun at WB festivals everywhere, make the building part of the fun, I seriuosly think this idea should get a stream of it's own

[BATMAT]

Dingo had the idea of framing plans,might do that with a few of the better drawings.
Hey this therapy is working,now my wife is looking at plans ,maybe it's just spreading ?

[Dave Hadfield]

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? We plan a WBF get-together in which everybody pre-builds and brings a section of a boat. Then, at the site, we bolt them all together and row/sail off into the sunset.

Having no keel structure would make it interesting. You wouldn't want it to break if 3 guys jumped into the middle. That would impose a practical size limit -- around 32 ft, perhaps? About like the canot-de-maitre that the Voyageurs paddled. Mind you, bracing could take the form of very sturdy outwales, like one-by-fours, doubled to be able to make long lengths. Maybe we could stretch to 40ft.

The forumites could also pre-make drop-in sail units, too -- little spritsails to slot in about every 8ft.

Not very practical, but a whole lot of fun for a weekend....

[John Bell]

Dave,

I suspect my original 4'x4' section would adequate for a 100' boat for a very limited time in very protected and controlled circumstances. Assemble it, take it for a slow, short spin with a very few passengers aboard, like one every other unit, then disassemble it and get it the the heck off the water! The plan was to screw on substantial outwales and chine logs out of laminations of 2-by lumber at the time of assembly. Tha plan was also intended to be flexible enough (no pun intended) to stop adding units if a safety issue arose.

If I could just figure out a time and an appropriate place to do it, I'd push it again.

Of course it's impractical! That's the point! I think of it as performance art instead of useful boat...

[ 12-17-2002, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: John Bell ]

[Ian McColgin]

We have it backwards here. Commitment to wooden boats is a commitment to life and beauty and truth and harmony with Mother Ocean.

Those crass folk ashore are the addicts: addicts to a life in the twilight of rectangular houses; addicts to the illusion that they are free of nature; addicts to petty security; addicts to clean fingernails; addicts to being small people afraid of the 3/4ths of our world (and 9/10th of our bodies) that's water.

[Bayboat]

If we're going to build a boat collectively, could I contribute the wet bar? How much room do we have for one?

Come to think of it, a collectively built boat would probably turn out like the camel that was spawned by a committee.

[Gary Bergman]

Shang....if yer mom won't let you keep it, my mom says I can :D

[Gary Bergman]

the ultimate nesting dink...4 feet long, twelve feet high when nestled.....48 long when assembled!

[skuthorp]

I just remembered, about the wet bar, last summer I passed two boys on a river paddling an old fridge! Foam insulation gave plenty of flotation. How about every module personalised, ballots for places in the line, sounds like the perfect thing for scout and youth groups, and just quirky enough to attract publicity. Maybe we could use Doorstops paddle tug as a tender?

[ 12-18-2002, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: skuthorp ]

[nutmeg2go]

I haved no problem. I have only ten boats and sail them in de Nile.

[Noah]

Since this thread in '02 I have picked up another 37ft of wooden boat...

My girlfriend still loves me though...

[John B]

I added an opti and a glass tender/sailing dinghy since then too. 7 + 10.

[ddeaton]

I blame it all on you people. I vacationed in Maine last summer for just a week and now I have a half built Penobscot 17 with a gunter rig, a 1971 model Handycat, and plans to build 2 more boats. Last year I didnt know what the hell a gunter rig was.
Danny

[Nora Lee]

Hi my name is Nora and I am a Woodenboataholic...
I have an: 42 ft Angleman Teak, 38,000#
Coastal Cruiser named Sea Fever
8ft plywood Nutshell named Sea Bee
14 ft Inflatable Sea Eagle
8 ft F@#&*ss Amusement Park Runabout
Total feet 72!!!!
I work my program, as well, as I can but the addiction is still a major problem in my life!

Sea Fever will have to have a major refit and we are looking for a partnership at this time, want to make her into an environmental education boat...have been talking to a couple of possibilities...See I want to have my boat, but can't afford to pay the tariff that goes with it!

We just take this boating thing...ONE DAY AT A TIME!

Regards,

Nora Lee

[paladin]

plans, ehh......I still have the plans for my t'Bird, the jim brown 31,34 and 41 trimarans, the piver AA31, the glen-l lechatte, the 11 foot glen-l stripper, my bruce roberts 38, even for my old f7^%$$ 44 footer...and for Tana Mari...and a few others...oh the dudley dix boats that my son is working on plus the new 31.5 plans that are nearly finished....my 60 foot B.O.C. boat...the 28 foot tug I began as a whimsical design.....
how many feetz of boat...with dinks..9.5 feet plus 9.5 feet...plus 45 feetz plus spar overhangs 13 feetz.....maybe we should just ask for gross displacement figures...about 40,000 pounds.....

[outofthenorm]

Hello, My name is Norm and I 'm almost embarrased to say that I only have two boats and a total of 44 ft LOA and one of em is a F*&^$%#@%^ dinghy and a lot of the rest is bowsprit and boom, so actual real honest to god boat is only 28 ft.

But if I count plans for real boats it goes up to about 400ft and if I count scale plans for model ships (about 300, but who's counting) converted to real world size it would be about a hundred and eleventy seven miles of WL. :eek:

[ 04-29-2005, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: outofthenorm ]

[Skiff Junkie]

Last time my Dad considered buying another boat, Mom informed him that it would come with divorce papers. :eek:

[Kim Apel]

7 boats, 5 wood, 116' CBL
There used to be more.
I've been sober (not acquired any boats) for three years next month.
Now if I could stop cruising ebay, I'd be truly on the path to recovery

[nutmeg2go]

Kim

I feel your pain. EBay is the spawn of the devil (though I certainly have found some wonderful bargains and just missed a few others). If one includes all types of floating transport, I am up to 156 boat feet although only 61 feet are exclusively wooden (I not only am adicted, but, in a pinch, I use bad drugs).

I can't quit cold turkey, but I'm planning to shorten my holdings by at least 35 feet this year.

[Mike Vogdes]

Don't know if any of you have seen this site befor http://www.peak.org/~innercom/Canoe/bba.html

but i'm in serious trouble...