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07-22-2004, 11:11 PM
"Pride of Baltimore" comes in out of the fog dips her colors and fires a salute to the USCG "Eagle" today at New London CT. :D ( not returned) :(
07-22-2004, 11:19 PM
The 'Pride' visited Mobile in 2002 on the occasion of our 300th anniversary. I went down a couple of times early in the morning before the tours were open, just to get an unobstructed view. I tell you what, you may never see a better kept ship in your life. Everything was Bristol condition, and the skipper had the crew out doing maintenance very early on in the day.
A beautiful boat. A real treat to get to see her in person. The last few years we have had the 'Californian' and the 'Amistad' come in, as well as a number of tall ships including the 'Eagle' and the 'Pride' that came in for the 300th. It is really neat to be able to see these fabled ships in person.
07-23-2004, 07:07 AM
She's in Boston this weekend.
Tours and rides are available.
07-23-2004, 02:30 PM
The Pride of Baltimore (II) is indeed the Pride of all Maryland. Beautiful, well kept... do go take a look.
07-23-2004, 03:09 PM
I was fortunate enough to see her docked in Wyandotte a few years ago. Nobody was around, maybe 15-20 people were looking at her; so, the view was unobstructed. I never did get to see her under sail, but that's OK, I filled in the details in my minds eye.
The History channel did a show on her a few weeks ago, and never did mention her namesake. I suppose that's just as well, for that's a pretty sad tale, but history is what it is, and shouldn't be scrubbed up.
07-23-2004, 08:08 PM
07-23-2004, 08:43 PM
"Pride" in Newport last weekend. Truly a treat to be able to sail alongside.
07-24-2004, 10:15 AM
I got a good close look at Pride on wednesday night as she set anchor in Fisher Island's west harbor. These pics really don't do justice to the drama of the vessel in person. All of that beam on that low, low freeboard, with the rake of those masts..... Really quite a sight.
07-24-2004, 11:02 AM
She looks damn good, eh?
The original Pride was beautiful too, in an even lower slung, slinkier, kinda way. Gilmer copied her, essentially, for the actual type, and it was part of her undoing. Sad.
Does anyone remember the race, out of Golden Gate, 'Pride of Baltimore'(one) v the then newly refurbished pilot schooner 'Wanderbird'? I read about it at the time, and remember being suprised at how easily the bird showed her tail feathers. Even though the Baltimore clippers were renowned for speed, 'Wanderbird' walked away from her easily.
100 years of hull developement, better handling?
07-24-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Jack Heinlen:
She looks damn good, eh?
The original Pride was beautiful too, in an even lower slung, slinkier, kinda way. I never saw the original, but my wifes best friend was the wife of the captain when she was lost. She still keeps in touch with her friend--I should quiz them for stories.
Sad that the Eagle didn't return the salute.
07-24-2004, 02:40 PM
Dunno for sure Jack but, old Harold Sommers has spent many an hour on the SF Bay and he knows it like the back of his hand. All the currents, tide rips, shoals, wind shifts etc., he has them all in his brain.
The underwater shape of the 'Bird' may shed some light on things.
07-24-2004, 03:18 PM
I hadn't realized the English translation was two words, Wander Bird. Or, perhaps, an intention. I think the German is Vandervogel. It refers to a stage of adolescence, particularly during the twenties in post-war Germany but with a longer history, when young people went off to find themselves: moved to Berlin or Vienna, cabareted, wore whacky cloths, became poets. Pre-Kerouac Beat. Given the ship's history, the name is apropo.
Nonsequiter: Adolf Hitler was a vandervogel during the teens.
It would be interesting to have some of the designers here weigh in. As I remember, both ships were well handled, but the 'Bird' beat the pants off of Pride.
It would also be fine to hear how the 'Bird' is doing back on the Elbe.
[ 07-25-2004, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Jack Heinlen ]
07-24-2004, 03:31 PM
The "Bird" in action. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid130/p4a93ba6a444f9f2ff4fc59ff2a85a983/f7b8a10b.jpg
07-24-2004, 04:46 PM
I just looked for a pic of the original Pride. I thought it would be nice juxtaposition to Dave's pic of Wander Bird. Four pages of google, I gave up. Most of it was promotional stuff for the newer ship.
She was a striking vessel. It's weird that she isn't remembered better, at least not on the web.
Original Pride of Baltimore
Pride of Baltimore II
"Pride II is approximately 50% larger by volume and 15% larger dimensionally.
The original Pride had no watertight compartments below deck. Pride II has six watertight bulkheads, three of which have watertight doors.
Pride was originally fitted out with hammocks for crew berths but was later refitted with bunks. She had five feet of headroom between decks. Pride II has ample headroom for even the tallest sailor and carries bunks for crew. She also boasts three passenger cabins amidships that can accommodate six guest crew members.
Pride carried 40 tons of lead ingots packed as internal ballast along side her keel. Pride II carries 40 tons of internal ballast, but also has 20 tons of outside ballast attached to the bottom of her keel.
Pride had one Caterpillar engine that could push the vessel at 5 knots per hour with a range of 600 nautical miles. Pride II has two Caterpillar diesel engines with twin screws that can drive the ship at 8 knots for extended periods. She has an extreme range of 1,200 nautical miles under power.
Pride's gunnel stripe and banner color was white. Pride II's gunnel strip is yellow and she flies a yellow banner.
Pride was equipped with radar, Loran, and other electronic navigation gear. In addition, Pride II has satellite communications via COMSAT, a personal computer, and GPS (Global Positioning System) aboard.
On deck, Pride II looks very much like Pride except that she is steered by a wheel rather than a tiller. Her sail plan is similar. She looks and sails like what she is -- a refined Baltimore Clipper topsail schooner. She would make the most jaded 19th century ship builder proud."
07-25-2004, 09:11 AM
Thanks for the informative post, Donn. My mother's family built a few Lake Schooners during the 1860's & 70's. Even from this point of view, long after there're gone, I love those boats. They'd have had a hard time keeping the cliiper's stern in view... Something the Brits would have loved ;)
07-25-2004, 09:50 AM
My mother's family built a few Lake Schooners during the 1860's & 70's. Not to hijack this thread, but would you tell us some stories, have some pictures? A new thread.
I grew up immersed in lake's shipping history, by way of books, and love a good yarn about it always.
07-25-2004, 11:26 AM
Coming back for another shot.
Back into the fog.
What a sight
Sorry guys had to put these back where they won't be "Scotted"
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