Boats from Katrina

[gary porter]

Just reading the November issue of National Fisherman which shows on the front cover a couple of large fishing boats and a big pile of smaller ones.
I'm wondering how they are going to deal with large craft that are no longer in the water and don't seem to be in a location where a Travel Lift could get to. How do they move them? Do they move them or cut them up? And what do you do with a glass/plastic boat thats totaled? Someone needs to develope a machine to grind them up into powder I think. Perhaps they already have...
Just curious.
Gary.. :rolleyes:

[imported_GregW]

They can do two things:
1.Break them up for scrap
2.Dig a channel and float them out

[Donn]

I don't know what the lift capacity is, but the military has some big ugly bug-like choppers, nothing but engines, rotors and a lifting frame.

Teetsel?

There are also ground based cranes that can lift and move some pretty big items.

Venchka?

[George Roberts]

Lay down a bed of 12x12s or logs and slide them out to the water.

Lots of big machinery in the world.

[joejapan]

Donn, I was upriver from Duc Tho and saw one of those "mosquito hawk" looking choppers pick up a fully loaded tank and the accompanying ammo cassion, which a Marine gunny sgt. told me was a tad over 65 tons, and flew off with it.

[Donn]

That's the one, Joe. I watched seabees move some awesome loads with those critters, which, IIRC, they called Cranes. That was almost 40 years ago, so they've probably got bigger ones now.

[formerlyknownasprince]

I saw a huge Russian chopper in action in New Guinea. This thing was the largest chopper being used operationally in the world and was used to fly dozers in to mine sites - it could lift 20+ tons. I don't think it would cope with anything much over 50'unless it was a lightweight plastic tub.

Ian

[Rick Tyler]

Originally posted by Donn:
That's the one, Joe. I watched seabees move some awesome loads with those critters, which, IIRC, they called Cranes. That was almost 40 years ago, so they've probably got bigger ones now.That, my friend, was a Sikorsky CH-54 Skycrane. There is also a civilian version called, cleverly enough, the Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane. The "B" model lift capacity is around 12.5 short tons -- it could pick up a lot of smaller boats. The Russian Mi-26 "Halo" has a lift capacity of 22 short tons. The biggest dog in the US helicopter world isn't the Skycrane, though. The CH53E Super Stallion has a sling payload of 18 short tons, but only 16 tons if you want to go 500 miles without refueling. There is a new proposed model for the Marine Corps, but I ran out of enthusiasm before I could find its projected lift capacity.

- Rick

[ 10-20-2005, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Rick Tyler ]

[Donn]

OK...What's a "short ton?" 1999#? I watched them haul tanks, Ontos (three at a time), lots of materials like chopper pad sections, bridge sections, etc..

[Rick Tyler]

As opposed to a long ton (which is 1016.04691 kilograms).

- Rick

[ 10-20-2005, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: Rick Tyler ]

[gary porter]

Well the chopper idea sounds like it would work on smaller boats but I'm not sure they can pick up the ones on the cover of the magazine... check out
www.nationalfisherman.com (http://www.nationalfisherman.com)
The two larger boats could probably be floated back into the nearby water however there are many others that are quite a ways from the water. Helicopter time might well be worth more than the value of the boats. There probably are some cranes that can handle the job if they can get them close enough. In one of the articles there were a couple of good sized boats way up in what looked like a draw on a hillside. However they do it I think it will be a very large undertaking.
Gary

[mmd]

short ton = 2000 lbs (907 kg)
long ton = 2240 lbs (1016 kg)
metric tonne - 2204 lbs (1000 kg)

Most boats will probably be cut up where they sit - the cost of removal and subsequent repair will be greater than the insurance pay-out. Ones that are relatively undamaged and close to the water will be dragged, skidded, or lifted to the water. I'd be surprised if more than 25% are recovered.

[brian.cunningham]

:(

[Vince Brennan]

The salvors are gonna be plenty busy, and I bet a lot of good craft get surveyed just because there's so many damaged vessels down there. Damn shame.

[BrianW]

I don't know the spec for this rubber tired crane, but it didn't struggle here...

We had to tow this 55ft landing craft because the 'apple sause' ice would clog her jet intakes...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/towingtheagviq.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/towingtheagviq2.jpg

Once at our pick point, we had to push her into the dock face. I'm heading my boat in to help push her in straight...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/positioningthesled2.jpg

Rigging is hook up, and the crane takes the load...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/agvigliftsoff.jpg

Up a bit farther, and you can see the crane...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/agviqupwithcrane.jpg

Here's a shot of the crane and a 42 footer, one of the boats we used to tow and push the landing craft into place...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/camdenandcrane.jpg

Somtimes I can't believe they pay me for such fun. smile.gif

[bamamick]

I am pretty sure that most of the Gulf Coast fishing fleet is going to sit and rot where they are. Most of them won't even be cut up, just stipped of valuable gear and left to sit.

Mickey Lake