Painted Pine ?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I think I will start satellite questions regarding the restoration of Dove in order to solve specific problems.

So I started sanding :eek: I was hoping under the layers of paint that something sweet would greet me in the end like mahogany thwarts ;) . Hey it has happened before. No such luck all of dove's innards look to be soft pine :(

So here is my dilemma, do I varnish pine, or do I paint it? and if so do I just paint over the existing battleship gray? ( eeek is that an awful color or what? ) OR I could use all the thwarts as templates and make NEW mahogany thwarts and side seats. Should I just keep the boat as original as possible? It's too bad the bilge boards are pine as well it would be nice to have them bright.

So what do I do ???

Oh I almost forgot the photo's :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p6bdebd70ab7f7000877597e95727882f/f4bdd656.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/pe8af3e3382cf06b7bda86df9f90a7586/f4bdd67a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/pbe92d42f28406da203913723a0d6939e/f4bdd63b.jpg

[ 03-22-2005, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Paint em. The boat is probably long leaf yellow pine
(just my guess based on age and so on) You can accent if you like, but paint looks good on a boat like that.

[Mike Vogdes]

Templates sound intresting.

To my eye your after thwart could stand a little shapelyness as well.
Maybe a little lounging room while your riding the high side...

Painted pine bilge boards are probably the way to go, maybe a new Kirby flavor will brighten things up.

[Bruce Hooke]

I rather like the look of a good paint job with some well choosen colors. It's not as yachty but it can look very pretty and it's easier to maintain.

As far as painting over the old paint, if the old paint is sound and not excessively thick then, sure, go ahead and sand it a bit and then paint right over it. If there are small areas that are pealing you can scrape those areas down to a sound surface and feather the edges of the adjacent paint. If large areas are peeling or if there are a lot of layers of paint already then I would strip down to bare wood. This also gives you a chance to check on the condition of the wood, but it is mighty rare that you will find bad wood under sound paint.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK if paint - color suggestions please ;)

[ 03-22-2005, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[L.W. Baxter]

Dove Gray?

... :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK I just came out of the barn, working on dove most of the afternoon with my head in the bilge scraping and sanding and what do I come out of the shop and see :eek: SNOW !!!! FREAKING SNOW :rolleyes: redface.gif

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p988732a11631c77fb66d14988ca4e5b7/f4bb3035.jpg

COME ON ALREADY dont they know I have a sailboat's in the barn ;)

Ok so back to the subject at hand. I scraped and sanded the center thwart which includes the mizzen mast step. It has to be the most original thwart because of mast step. So lo and behold that thwart is Mahogany, under about 5 layers of different color paint :rolleyes:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p0af10390468fead0c435582ae0a663b7/f4bb3018.jpg

So there ya go my decision is made for me. I need to remake the back thwart and the missing forward thwart out of mahogany using the back one as a template. But if I'm going to go through all that why not remake ALL the thwarts?
Which leads me to my next question. The mast hole in the mizzen thwart is way to large for the mast. The previous owner gave me a bunch of shims that I am supposed to place in the thwart. Why is that and why, if I'm going to make a new thwart wouldn't I cut a mast hole much much closer to the size of the existing mast?? Is there some reason it needs THAT much play we are talking about a good 1/2 all around.

[Cullen T.M. McGough]

How many fish do you plan to gut on that thwart?

The answer to THAT question, should answer your earlier question.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Cullen T.M. McGough:
How many fish do you plan to gut on that thwart?

The answer to THAT question, should answer your earlier question.Ya know I tried fishing off a sailboat a couple of times ya know what I found out #1 it's not pleasant to me. You either have to drop the rig or duck the boom and worry about the rigging when you cast. #2 I don't like fishing :eek: :eek: sorry guys it's just not my cup-o-tea.So that said, I can not see to many fish guts on that thwart. possibly a little platter of cheese and some beer or a sandwich but thats about it.

Oh and thanks, I got ya with the mast shims, thanks O&O West and Oyster, the way this boat is built I knew there had to be a good reason ;)

[ 03-23-2005, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[JimD]

I have varnished pine thwarts in my utility. I think they look very nice. Guess it depends on whether you like the idea of pine seats on a boat.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p64fef7ae2fe8d4d3f552654c71af3aa8/f4bb001e.jpg

[ 03-23-2005, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: JimD ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

JD looks nice :D
I'm Just not sure how the mix and match pine and mahogany would look.

Yum that looks more like what I would be doing instead of fishin ;)

[JimD]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
JD looks nice :D
I'm Just not sure how the mix and match pine and mahogany would look.

Yum that looks more like what I would be doing instead of fishin ;) :D Joe, the picnic table is the lid for the battery storage box which is also varnished pine. Mahogany and pine might look good together or maybe the mahog would just make the pine look cheap, hard to say, eh? This boat is bright finished meranti on the outside from the waterline up, and the two woods don't seem to clash at all to my eye.

[Mrleft8]

Originally posted by JimD:
I have varnished pine thwarts in my utility. I think they look very nice. Guess it depends on whether you like the idea of pine seats on a boat.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p64fef7ae2fe8d4d3f552654c71af3aa8/f4bb001e.jpgNo offense Jim.... But you look like a girl! ;)
Joe.... I'm still thinking bright Medeteranian blue, and yellows.... Just 'cuz yer stuck on the Hudson, doesn't mean you can't dream of cruising "La cote d'azure"! :D

[JimD]

No offense Jim.... But you look like a girl! No offence taken, Lefty. My wife Cathy is always thinking she looks like a guy. And besides, somebody had to steer while I ate the chicken :D

[Pete Dorr]

Joe

I'd probably rebuild the 2 thwarts with mahogany to match the original and leave the original one in place. Then varnish them up. The old one will look old but it is an old boat.

Pete

[boatlover]

Joe,

The thwart in the first picture looks to be the same kind of wood as the deck behind it. If so, then perhaps the pine was used to save a little topside weight. I think the build article would call out the materials Atkin wanted.

Strong mahogany for the mast bench makes sense.
What about the fore/main mast partners ? Same kind of wood bench ?

BTW: Looking at the first picture above, and then at the picture of the deck before you washed it - gently: Did the seams in the deck "take-up" after they got a bit of moisture in them ?

Regards,

Ed R

[Bruce Hooke]

As an aside, I can't say that I am a big fan of battleship gray for any part of a small boat other than the actual bilge if that is hidden by floorboards. For the areas that are now gray on this boat I would certainly consider a more lively color like tan, buff, cream, or maybe something in the burgundy range. Even a pale gray would be better than what you have now IMOOP!

[JimD]

Although almost any paint colour looks good with natural wood I agree with Bruce about all that grey. It looks too much like Trem clad (sp) rust paint.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Trust me when Dove is finished there will be no trace of gray on her except when I sail her on a gray sky day ;) I hate the battleship gray. Of all the paint I scraped off her The gray being that and most darkest color. She had been painted light blue, cream, tan, light gray and now battleship gray :(

Im thinking buff or Hatteras white for the cockpit ( that is gray now ) The deck a tan the topside of the hull a dark blue with a white boot stripe and red anti-foul below the water line. ANY AND ALL WOOD that can be finished bright will be ;)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK in the interest of full disclosure I have hired a local shipwright and cabinet grade carpenter to help with Dove. So when I show you photos of the varnished mahogany slatted bench seats that will swing up with bronze hinges that are replacing the old painted pine. Oh and the new mahogany center thwart with draws on the port and starboard side, and the varnished mahogany fan slatted seat aft you all wont think I did all the carpentry ;)

[imported_Dutch]

Originally posted by Peter Malcolm Jardine:
Paint em. The boat is probably long leaf yellow pine
(just my guess based on age and so on) You can accent if you like, but paint looks good on a boat like that.if the wood is soft and you cant smell the resin and your sandpaper isnt loading up it aint longleaf

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Na it aint Long Leaf pine your correct Dutch. Its cheep pine one seat is split already. The new design will be a slatted bench design it will be more maintenance to keep all the sides well varnished but it wont pool water like a flat plank will.

[ 04-19-2005, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]