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Anyone know what Herreshoff design this is? About 28 feet from the early 50s Mahogany on Oak w/bronze.
Thanks, Bruce
WBRF
http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=428 http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=427
[ 10-20-2005, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: OEX ]
I like! Is she going to be free?
more
http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=433
StevenBauer
10-20-2005, 10:46 AM
Looks like your standard H-28, no?
She'll go quickly. smile.gif
Steven
[ 10-20-2005, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: StevenBauer ]
I thought so too, but the owner says she is a sloop---is this possible were there ever sloop H-28s and the keel looks deeper and shorter, but I do not know Herreshoffs too well, so......
More pix here WBRF Herr Listing (http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/agentadmin.php?edit=113)
look at cockpit, could that be for a mast step and the owner does not know its a Ketch? The never had much to do with the boat---kinda got it via a long story.
cheers
Bill Thompson
10-20-2005, 11:24 AM
Greetings Bruce,
Former location of pedestal for compass binnacle or wheel steering?? Hard to see looking into the lockers but there doesn't seem to be the structure there to support a mizzen.
Bill
same thoughts here, or just a hatch, etc for a pump or ventilation or? Does not look like a step. So were H-28s sloops too?
Bob Cleek
10-20-2005, 12:54 PM
Sheesh! What are you guys smokin'? The H-29 is a full keeled boat with a transom hung rudder. That boat isn't even in the same zip code.
There were sloop rigged H-28's, or at least one that I know of. She was named Egret. LFH designed the alternate rig. I hear she sailed very well.
Frankly, I have my doubts that the boat is a LFH design at all. Not his style. If it is, I'd bet money the cabin was a later modification. Not necessarily a bad boat, but I doubt it's a Herreshoff design.
Hey Bob who ever said anything about a H-29???? :confused: ;) jeeezz!! ;)
It is a Herreshoff---has the Plaque and all--I have not seen it is all and she (owner is not with the boat).
So back to the main qiestion/challenge---Herreshoff (assuming the owner did read it correctly) ---what design? Could it be other than LFH?
cheers
Seems I have seen the H-28 with the same doghouse , see pic below, is that common and/or original to some date? My issue is the hull form and the sloop rig---seem to not match the H-28, but again, I do not have an eye for the design.
http://www.boats.com/common/display_image.jsp?picture=%2Fpublished%2Fimages%2F cc_herr28.jpg&caption=%0D%0A&type=con tent&backlink=%2Fcontent%2Fdefault_detail.jsp%3Fcontent id%3D10083&headeractivity=&headersubactivity=&x=29&y=44 http://www.boats.com/common/display_image.jsp?picture=%2Fpublished%2Fimages%2F cc_herr28.jpg&caption=%0D%0A&type=con tent&backlink=%2Fcontent%2Fdefault_detail.jsp%3Fcontent id%3D10083&headeractivity=&headersubactivity=&x=29&y=44
[ 10-20-2005, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: OEX ]
StevenBauer
10-20-2005, 01:23 PM
Yup, keels all wrong for an H-28. But this boat is right here in Portland! I'd be happy to take a look at her. Let me know when you get some contact info.
Steven
you got it. It is actually near New Gloucester Maine, not Portland---just said that off the top of my head when I started the thread---too far?
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cheers
Bruce Hooke
10-20-2005, 01:28 PM
I think Bob meant to say H-28. In any case, this is definitely not an H-28 because the H-28 is a full keel boat with a transom hung rudder.
I just looked through Sensible Cruising Designs and I could not find anything that looked at all like this boat so you've got yourself a pretty good mystery here. Is there a date on the plaque?
landlocked sailor
10-20-2005, 01:36 PM
Something by Rhodes? :confused: Rick
Bruce Hooke
10-20-2005, 01:42 PM
What specifically does the builder's plate say? Herreshoff Manf. Co. closed in 1944 so if this boat was built in the early 50's then it was not built there. Of course LFH was active as a designer for many years after that, and other younger Herreshoffs are, I believe, still active in the field.
StevenBauer
10-20-2005, 02:16 PM
New Gloucester is about 25 mins drive. I could probably get there this weekend.
Steven
Billy Bones
10-20-2005, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by StevenBauer:
Looks like your standard H-28, no?
NO!
;)
Willin'
10-20-2005, 02:43 PM
I'm pretty sure what you have there is a P-28 by Hallberg- Rassy. They were about 500 of them built and their scattered far and wide.
Not too long a stretch from Herreshoff H-28 to Hallberg P-28 if the owner really wasn't too involved with the boat.
Check here for other P-28 pix... Classic Hallberg Rassy yachts (http://www.classic-hrs.com/p-28.htm)
When I raced my old H-28 my nemesis was a local P-28 of about the same vintage. We always had a fun start, but he inevitably showed me his transom, and from a pretty great distance by the end of the race.
Pretty slippery shape, but not much volume for amenities. I wouldn't mind having one for a day sailor.
Billy Bones
10-20-2005, 02:55 PM
Transom seems different, though. But closer!
Bruce Hooke
10-20-2005, 02:59 PM
Here are a couple of pictures of P-28's from the website Willin' posted a link to:
http://www.classic-hrs.com/Hallberg/boatphotos/Sabre3.jpg
http://www.classic-hrs.com/Hallberg/boatphotos/p28b.gifsk%E4rpa.gif
I hate to say it, but the transom on the mystery boat is a totally different shape from the transom on the P-28's, and the profile of the front of the keel also does not quite match. The bow overhang on the mystery boat also looks to be a shade longer than on the P-28's.
Terry Rhoads
10-20-2005, 03:07 PM
Is it possible it's a Sidney Herreshoff design? He was active in the '50s.
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wyndham
10-20-2005, 03:12 PM
Cleeks right, that does not look like a Herreshof design. It's just a bit off the mark, not really graceful enough. That cabin top is very clunky looking.
ron ll
10-20-2005, 03:14 PM
Any chance it might be a Ben Seaborn design?
http://www.woodenboat.org/festival/Guide/2004/guide_swiftsure.htm
Bob Cleek
10-20-2005, 04:54 PM
Yea, that was indeed a typo. I meant H-28. If it has a builder's plate "Herreshoff Mfg. Co." it will also have a hull number. You may be able to ascertain the date of build and design from the MIT library, which has the Herreshoff papers. As LFH didn't manufacture boats, but rather had his commissioned designs built by established yards under his supervision, it is almost certainly not an LFH design if it carries a HMfgCo builder's plate. It is POSSIBLE that the hull was built by Herreshoff and could have been a Nat Herreshoff design, with a newer cabin attached. He did play with some fin keeled boats. The pics don't suggest that, though. The cabin is apparently a better job than most add ons.
Bruce Hooke
10-20-2005, 05:18 PM
I looked through my Herreshoff of Bristol book, which is basically a (largely photographic) history of Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, and I did not see anything at all like this boat, but I don't think the book claims to list every design, and, of course, Americas Cup yachts and the like are much more exciting material to photography and write about than 30-footers! Still, this boat has a 1950's look to it, which is what made me question the builders plate.
That cabin trunk is definitely not a Nat. Herresoff cabin, and as Bob noted it is better executed than is common for redesigned cabin trunks.
emichaels
10-20-2005, 05:52 PM
Crowninshield. Don't know the model but if you look at the hull shape of the 12-1/2 and 17's you might see the proportions and shape are identical.
I think it is a larger version of the 17. The cabin has to be an add on its way out of proprtion to the hull. IMHO (very humble)
How do you post a pic I have two of a Dark Harbor 17 that looks a lot like that hull in profile.
[ 10-20-2005, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: emichaels ]
I am waiting to here about this Plaque. The owner really has no idea, but says the plaque has the name Herreshoff on it. Thats all I have to go on until she gets the plaque for a look---its off the boat with all the hardware in storage.
Would be great if someone could look at her, thanks---I should have the address etc soon.
Sorry on the H-29 thing---show how VERY little I know about Herr. boats.
Cheers, Bruce
cheers
[ 10-20-2005, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: OEX ]
Bruce Hooke
10-20-2005, 06:40 PM
Yes, unless someone turns up who knows for sure what design this is, I think the details on the plaque are critical to really moving ahead with an ID.
StevenBauer
10-20-2005, 11:43 PM
Just let me know where and I'll take a look.
Steven
lestat
10-21-2005, 03:03 AM
I'd hazard a guess and say it is a Dragon....with cabin work added on by a pro yard.
Thad Van Gilder
10-21-2005, 06:21 AM
It looks like a small version of my Philip rhodes designed, 34' lake erie one design.
-Thad
Paul Fitzgerald
10-21-2005, 07:15 AM
Its a modified dragon. I cant find a good lines plan but it checks out with a half model I have at home. Added house, cockpit drains, propshaft and propellor cutaway. The original cockpit is not self draining, but I bet the cockpit on this one is pretty shallow.
A bilge pump is one of the most important go fast gadgets on a racing dragon. I saw one sink during a harbour race in Hobart years ago, they just pulled it up and it was racing the next week. Nice boats, but a bit wet with a full rig.
Paul---have all the dimensions so I can check those---link for them?
cheers
Bruce Hooke
10-21-2005, 08:27 AM
I found a lines plan and dimensions for the Dragon on this website (http://www.intdragon.org/) (look under "The Dragon" "About the Dragon"):
http://www.intdragon.org/graphics/aboutboat.jpg
http://www.intdragon.org/graphics/designdrake.gif
LOA: 8.9m (29.2')
Beam: 1.95m (6.4')
Draught: 1.2m (3.9')
Displacement: 1700kg (with mast)
Mainsail: 16m˛
Genoa: 11.7m˛
Spinnaker: 23.6m˛
I hate to say it but there are two things that look different to me:
1. The bow overhang on the mystery boat does not look to me to be as long as the overhang on the dragon.
2. On the dragon it looks to me like the aft end of the keel is significantly closer to the aft end of the waterline than on the mystery boat.
Bob Cleek
10-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Don't discount the possibility that the HMfgCo builder's plate may have been a souvenier off another real Herreshoff built boat. People have a way of not throwing them away. The original HMfgCo builder's plate will be a bronze oval, probably chromed, maybe two and a half or three inches across its largest dimension, with the lettering cast in place and a flat space for the hull number to be stamped on it. If the boat was built in the '50's, however, is was not built by Herreshoff Manufacturing Co.
[ 10-21-2005, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Bob Cleek ]
Paul Fitzgerald
10-21-2005, 08:08 PM
Bruce, I agree that the bow looks a little full, but I wonder if the apparently shorter overhangs are an artefact of the photo. I took a hard look at the transom too because I wondered if they had added an extra plank.
The transom looks very much like the original dragon. The thing which really swayed me was the tight bilges. They are meter class bilges, too tight for a cruiser racer.
Tom M.
10-21-2005, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by emichaels:
Crowninshield. That was my thought at first glance.
Terry Rhoads
10-22-2005, 12:04 PM
What's the LWL of the Dragon? Should be possible to measure the mystery boat using plumb lines.
StevenBauer
10-22-2005, 12:50 PM
Ready to go...
Mary liked it by the picture.
Steven
still awaiting all the info. hold tight all
cheers
Terry Rhoads
10-23-2005, 04:13 PM
Bump- Don't leave us hangin'. My money's still on Sidney, if there's any legitimacy to a Herreshoff connection at all. The hull form of the mystery boat is not too far from the Fishers Island 31:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid191/p284240e9e5e83a313f2d8ecc951a0278/f1c5aa8c.jpg
A bigger boat, obviously. There was a Fishers Island 23, but at 31' LOA she had proportionately longer overhangs:
http://www.herreshoff.org/images/hornet.JPG
[ 10-23-2005, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: Terry Rhoads ]
emichaels
10-23-2005, 06:06 PM
Who doesn't like a great mystery on a raining New England weekend !
So here is the latest. The owner remebered the length wrong and, maybe, the Herreshoff is wrong too then...don't know. smile.gif
Note from owner as follows:
"Bruce - Hi again.
Last night I found my boat folder with the info the seller had dug up about the prior owner (who lost it to the marina). I’ve been remembering the length wrong – she’s 33 feet.
His info is that she was built in the Netherlands in 1954 by J Van Dam, and that she was last registered in DC in 1993."
so now what do we all think she is....
cheers
Bruce Hooke
10-23-2005, 09:56 PM
Well, we know now that she was not built by Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, but that already seemed pretty clear based on the date she was built. It is, of course, still possible that she was built to a design drawn by one of the Herreshoffs, but it seems like the whole Herreshoff connection may be a false lead. After all, it would be odd if the builders plaque said "Herreshoff" on it if the boat was built by another builder, unless it lists the design to which the boat was built, which would, of course, answer the whole question.
I did a bit of Googling and found a listing for "Landbouwmechanisatiebedrijf J. van Dam B.V.", which based on an online translation is described as: "for 120 year builder of fancy sail hunts under the name nordia. nordia hunts world-wide known round their quality, value certainty, luxury, comfort and perfect sail qualities are". However, their website ( http://www.damcon.nl ) just seems to talk about landscaping services. Anyway, it might be worth getting in touch with them (contact information can be found on their website) to see if they know about the boatbuilding side of things. However, there is probably not much point in that if you can't get a hull number of the plaque.
StevenBauer
10-23-2005, 10:07 PM
Well, I'm still interested. I'll even be working up that way this week.
Steven
StevenBauer
10-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Bruce, do we know her name? Or any former names? That might be a help.
Steven
no name or anything yet, but waiting. The contact info should be up soon.
cheers
[ 10-24-2005, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: OEX ]
Here is the contact---anyone who goes to see her please get back to me on her condition, etc. bioelf@mindspring.com
The race is on........,
Mary B. Devine
P.O. Box 617, 20 Shaker Road
Gray, ME 04039
Home – (207) 926-5451
Work – (207) 657-3364
Fax - (207) 657-2179
Email – mdevine@zd-law.com
StevenBauer
10-24-2005, 04:03 PM
Bruce, I've e-mailed Mary. I'll call her in a little bit. I'll bring a camera and report back. :D
Steven
Great, wish I was going to be there.
cheers
[ 10-24-2005, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: OEX ]
Well, are you back yet Steve? smile.gif :D
StevenBauer
10-25-2005, 05:16 PM
I spoke with Mary this morning. I'll go see the boat if it ever stops raining. The diesel engine is out of the boat. The previous owner had it professionally rebuilt to the tune of $4,700. :eek:
The engine does not come with the boat, she is selling it. :( It'd be kind of silly to take the boat without buying the motor, so now the free boat is a few thou right off the bat. She's got the mast and boom, but no sails. Lots of fittings and stuff, though. It needs a new rudder and maybe some frames. Hopefully this rain will stop by Thursday and I can go take a look.
Steven
StevenBauer
10-25-2005, 06:32 PM
I've also e-mailed a picture and request for info to the builder in the Netherlands. Let's hope they still have records from the 50's and they didn't build too many 33' boats that year. smile.gif
Steven
StevenBauer
10-26-2005, 06:15 AM
Wow, those Dutch types are quick with the email. smile.gif
Jachtwerf van Dam replied that they didn't build wooden hulls anymore by 1954, except a few plywood ones. But they forwarded my request for info to Van Dam Nordia Yachts and they responded, too.
Here's what they say:
------------------------------------------
Via Jachtwerf Van Dam en Zn we received your e-mail and picture of the 33' Mahogany sailingyacht.
The yacht is built by us in 1954 with yardnumber 812. It was the first yacht our company exported to the USA.
We have built the yacht for Mobaco Inc. and delivered it in April 1954. We have only made the hull and superstructure, the interior and rig where done in the USA.
Robert van Dam clearly remembers this boat when it was built by his father Willem van Dam, Robert was 6 years old back then.
Attached we send you a photo we have in our archive of the yacht. Unfortunatly the photo is only 5cm x 5 cm. The change that we still have the drawings is very little.
If you want to be kept updated in the future on what is going on at the Van Dam Shipyard you can provide us you home details.
If you decide to buy the yacht and restore it we would like to be informed on the progress.
Kind regards,
Van Dam Nordia Shipyard
Jacco Jongkind
-------------------------------------------------
There is no doubt that this is the same boat:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p42bcf8a5c6bf4aa7b86d4d150a16e08f/f1bae740.jpg
WOW!!! Great job Steve. Mystery solved---man that was fast on the e-mails---gotta love people that passionate and interested in the past work of their yard.
You do not have to take the engine, but it does save money in the end, but remember do not feel like you HAVE too take it---the boat is free and you can fit another engine. I did know she wanted to sell the engine and thought I said so on the listing. $4700 is a bunch of $ for a 2 cyl--will she move down on that? Seems $2500 - $3000 would be faIR FOR A REBUILT Volvo (IF I REMEBER RIGHT) (SORRY CAPS LOCK AGAIN)-dare little key boards and my big ugly mutilated hands ..... anyway you can get a small perkin or something for $1500-2000 with low hours. Then again the original engine….. Maybe you can pay it off slowly, no harm in asking; you did do a bunch of work to ID the boat!
Cheers and let me know more news.
Bruce
StevenBauer
10-26-2005, 07:11 AM
We still don't know the designer. But it sure was cool seeing that picture this morning. :D
Steven
Hughman
10-26-2005, 07:31 AM
You're in the deep now, Steven! :D Good luck! smile.gif
ron ll
10-26-2005, 10:13 AM
I've been following the compelling "mystery" here, but am I the only one troubled by the statement, "No doubt this is the same boat"? I admit I only have the pictures posted here to go on, but to my eye there seem to be some differences, but I'm not sure. You can almost count the planks at the bow stem in both pictures and it appears there are many more planks in the old picture than the new one, plus the bow shape still seems different to me. Or am I imagining this? Is there other evidence that this is the same boat?
Terry Rhoads
10-26-2005, 10:38 AM
I agree with Ron- The mystery boat has a cut-away forefoot, the other one is a straight continuation of the bow line. I'd say the bow has more overhang than the mystery boat, but hard to tell from this angle. Very similar cabins, though.
Edit to add: Is it possible the picture from Van Dam shows her for some reason without the keel casting? Perhaps that's how she was shipped, casting added in the US?
[ 10-26-2005, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Terry Rhoads ]
emichaels
10-26-2005, 11:50 AM
The cabins are definitely different. The windows are different shapes and the wood framing around the windows is different. But this could be a section that was reworked. Though the hull shape seems similar. With out the keel on the pic SB received its hard to tell the full draft. The water line stripes are definitely lined out differently going forward.
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wyndham
10-26-2005, 12:26 PM
They don't look the same to me.
TimothyB
10-26-2005, 02:55 PM
The cabins are definitely different, but that doesn't mean she didn't have a cabin replacement at some point in her past.
The hull does look practically identical, and yes the old picture shows her without her keel casting. You can see the line of the bow->deadwood in the recent picture that follows the same line as in the old picture. If this is the same boat, the cabin was changed to allow for a bigger cockpit. Regardless, it is at LEAST a sistership.
just to see side by side---this is too fun!
http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=459
P.S. I have another mystery boat---anyone up for it???
[ 10-26-2005, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: OEX ]
emichaels
10-26-2005, 04:34 PM
Wonder why the waterline stripe would change so much ? Where these boats originally with engine ??
ron ll
10-26-2005, 05:05 PM
Something still isn't right. I'll grant that the keel is not attached in the old picture and that maybe the cabin has been modified (but why so close?). I still think the old one has more planks, but I suppose it could be the waterline change, but the shape of the bow still looks different. That style of design was not that uncommon in the '50s as evidenced by "Eulalie" a Kettenburg PCC shown here. http://www.kettenburgboats.com/boatyard/yard21/1sm.jpg http://www.kettenburgboats.com/boataon.gif
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Terry Rhoads
10-26-2005, 06:27 PM
Maybe the waterline changed after the casting was added. It looks like there's quite a lump forward of the center.
I agree the bow still doesn't look quite right, perhaps there's been damage repair, but that should be obvious on inspection.
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StevenBauer
10-26-2005, 06:28 PM
We just got back from looking at the boat. It's funny that you guy's have been thinking about her all day too. smile.gif It's definitely the same boat and I think the cabin is original, too. It might be hard to see since the pictures are taken from such different angles. She's not in that bad shape. And she comes with all kinds of stuff - boxes of winches and fittings and bronze doodads. :D The engine looks like new. She's got the reciept for the engine work. Over $3500 worth of parts alone. The mast is tear drop sectioned and really big. Much of the interior is taken apart but the pieces are still there. I'm not that crazy about the layout anyway. The hull shape looks perfect, very fair and all. The decks need work, side decks are missing in back.
I'm going up again Saturday to take a better look. I'll be sure to bring my camera and I'll have some questions for you guys then.
Steven
StevenBauer
10-26-2005, 06:30 PM
I just saw Terry's last post. Maybe the Volvo (MD6?) weighed less than the original engine, too.
Steven
Terry Rhoads
10-26-2005, 06:48 PM
Well that seems to be settled. That was fun. (But how did Herreshoff get involved? Have you seen the builder's plate?)
Next one, Bruce?
Terry Rhoads
10-26-2005, 07:29 PM
Suggestion to Steven- See if you can take a photo from the same angle as the Van Dam picture. It would nail it down for sure.
GavinFromCascoBay
10-26-2005, 07:31 PM
I already thought of that Terry. :D
Steven
Jagermeister
10-26-2005, 08:18 PM
Hey Ron, are you helping to rebuild Eulalie? That's a picture of her I haven't seen before on the Kettenburg boats web site.
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ron ll
10-26-2005, 11:19 PM
No, no connection with Eulalie other than she was in the yard here at Shilshole last week. Spoke with the owner a bit, beautiful boat.
OK next one--- will post it as a new thread so Steve or ?... can still up date us on this one.
Steve there has been a number of people wanting to see the Van Dam--not to rush you, but do not wait too long or get a thumbs up from Mary if you want it you can have it type thing.
Cheers----Also Steve, this whole thing is fun isn’t it? Maybe you should be a WBRF rep for Maine???????? Please I still have not gotten anyone to help me with this thing.
StevenBauer
10-28-2005, 06:33 PM
Anyone here feel like taking a look at her with me tomorrow? If it isn't raining, of course. smile.gif
Steven
Terry Rhoads
10-29-2005, 08:01 AM
Didn't see your offer until just now. Too much going on here, maybe next time. You've got a good day for it.
StevenBauer
10-29-2005, 03:52 PM
I didn't get up to see the boat today. :(
I'm going up in the morning, Hughman is coming, too. Anyone else is welcome, also. I'm shooting for around 10 am.
Steven
Terry Rhoads
10-29-2005, 04:59 PM
Steven- check your email.
Matt J.
10-29-2005, 09:50 PM
Steven, I just found the thread - thanks for the heads up. THIS IS GRREAT!
Sounds like a helluva project, if you've got the resources for it. I can't wait for the updates. :D
Roger Cumming
10-29-2005, 10:14 PM
It's an S-Boat with an amateur cabin trunk added to get headroom.
StevenBauer
10-29-2005, 11:16 PM
Roger, the cabin trunk is original. The picture from van Dam shows it in their 1954 photo taken before the boat was shipped to the US for rigging and interior work. Tell us more about S-boats. smile.gif
Steven
Leon Steyns
10-30-2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by StevenBauer:
We still don't know the designer. ...Maybe I can be of some help: the Netherlands Maritime Museum (Scheepvaartmuseum) in Amsterdam has lots of plans (and parts of plans) on microfilm. Their collection is freely accessible, and I have plans to spend a couple of days there anyway... ;)
Don't hold your breath, though (I still got a job to do), but I'll report back here.
Greets, Leon Steyns.
Bruce Hooke
10-30-2005, 07:35 PM
I just re-read the email from Jacco Jongkind at Van Dam Nordia Shipyard and maybe I'm just misunderstanding his English but he did say something about drawings, and if they still have the drawings then that would presumably tell us what the design is, no? So maybe all that needs to be done to establish the design is to send them another email...
Roger Cumming
10-30-2005, 08:21 PM
Steven, you are right. I just looked up S-Boats again and this isn't one. S-Boats had a knuckle just above the waterline and they had less freeboard. They were (are) racing boats (sloops). 27'-6" LOA, 20'-6" LWL, 7'-0" beam, 4'-9" draft, first built around 1920. They had very little room inside, and a distinctive sharp bend in the mast near the top. They still race on Narragansett Bay.
StevenBauer
10-30-2005, 10:55 PM
Well, Terry, Hugh, Ginger, Gavin and I spent some time with the boat today. Here are a few more shots:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/pb2ad85b29915b875111dc7281a9546e6/f1aaca19.jpg
Looking aft from the v-berth:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p95a4403f67446fce1a4ec2762f871ae6/f1aac5fd.jpg
One of the stainless fuel tanks:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p2a3ddb6b4c26beaeb1495a8343a97bee/f1aac649.jpg
Starboard side quarter berth:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/pe1eb50f4b12f09f739609621157a8724/f1aac6b6.jpg
Looking forward:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p652bc2ce78f125db511ab43d86258bac/f1aac6fc.jpg
One area that needs attention is around the chainplates. The decks have been removed in this area and some lodging knees and frames need attention:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/pcaf4e6e315064204b2ffb08f433c48af/f1aac76a.jpg
StevenBauer
10-30-2005, 11:01 PM
The hanging knees and the whole cabin structure look fine:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/pc0bd52a7477061c40257c602bde7a56e/f1aac808.jpg
You can't give her a very big name with this transom:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p9e12f4b28143103022082ccb6e69dced/f1aacd03.jpg
The Volvo MD6B engine has been completely rebuilt. New pistons, main bearings, camshaft, lots more:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/p96313bac43fd84d9eb9b7dc698d314f1/f1aacd52.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid192/pfc5c1b4349c78d5266aa622eff002302/f1aacb9e.jpg
Paul Girouard
10-30-2005, 11:31 PM
Wheres the bad news ? Looks pretty good from the left coast smile.gif
Of course I don't have to do anything except post this :rolleyes:
So does this mean the Eun Mara plans are on hold smile.gif ?
Doug Wood
10-31-2005, 05:05 PM
So, whats' the verdict Steven? She's a cool looking boat.
StevenBauer
11-01-2005, 07:32 AM
Well, after much soul searching and option weighing I have decided not to take on this project. Tough decision since the boat is in really good shape and comes with so much of the expensive stuff that can really add up on a project like this. It just isn't the right boat for me at this time. So she's still up for grabs. I'd be happy to talk with anyone else interested to see that this fine lady finds the right home. I haven't talked with Mary yet, I've left messages for her at work and at home. If no one takes her before winter I'll offer to help get her tarped up properly. I'll try to put up some more pictures later today.
Steven
Willin'
11-01-2005, 07:39 AM
So what ever became of the Herreshoff builder's plaque?
Ooops, just saw the other thread!
[ 11-01-2005, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: Willin' ]
Too Bad Steve. Can you write up a summary to post on the WBRF site for the boat? ……,This may be of help others.
Cheers and thanks for all the effort and offers of help.
On another note Enu Mara if one of the coolest boat designs I have ever seen---hope you build her.
Bruce
WBRF Admin
[ 11-01-2005, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: OEX ]
StevenBauer
11-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Ok, a few more things that haven't come up yet. She's not fastened with bronze screws - she's riveted with copper. I think this is the best fastening method there is. And she's batten-seam construction. There are some laminated sister frames, too. One thing not really looked at is the condition of the frame ends. Hugh thinks the garboards should come off for inspection in this area. Oh yeah, the mast. 45 feet long! and teardrop sectioned. With standing rigging attached and a couple of winches, too. There is a boom and whisker pole, as well. Maybe some more pics later. smile.gif
Steven
Hughman
11-01-2005, 07:13 PM
This boat is restorable.
She will need a complete interior, substantial deck repair, all mechanical systems, and a close look at the rig, perhaps replacement of the wire. There are no sails. The mast was stripped of varnish and left out in the weather, allowing seams to fail
There is need to replace the rudder post.
Most of the hull seems to be in good shape although the starboard quarter is pushed in at the poppet. There are battens that need to be replaced, mostly an earlier repair that was made using plywood strips. There is no caulking seam between the planks, except at the butts. These planks were puttied only.
As noted above, the original builder is interested in the progress of the restoration, and might provide a replacement builders plate.
Have at it! smile.gif
Peter Malcolm Jardine
11-01-2005, 07:45 PM
I think this thread is great... only I hope someone adopts the boat. She is obviously a quality build. Interesting homework done Steve... very cool. :cool: :cool:
rich morpurgo
11-02-2005, 03:03 AM
unless the volvo is a really good deal, or original, I would pass. These engines are getting hard to find parts for, and when you can they are very expensive. 800-900 for a starter for example.
Just my 0.02
rich
StevenBauer
11-02-2005, 06:58 AM
Rich, the Volvo has 0 hours on a total rebuild. She wants $2800 for it. It's a 10 HP MD6B. She has the reciept for the rebuild - $4200. Seemed fair to me.
Steven
JGPierce
11-11-2005, 06:10 PM
Here's an update on the Van Dam sailyacht.
After Steve declined the boat I went and saw it. A restoration will be in its future smile.gif It looks to be in good condition with most of its parts. And I got the engine to go with it.
It's a bit late in the season to get it moved to where I want it to go so I spent the day erecting a skeleton and putting up a tarp. Working in 40 degree weather with a 10 mph breeze keeps you on your toes!! In the process I cleaned out all the leaves in the bilge that had collected over the past year. I'll be moving it in the spring after mud season.
Here's the latest image of her:
http://shim1.shutterfly.com/procgserv/47b5cf30b3127cce985488956b6400000018109Qat2jFw3c
John Pierce
emichaels
11-11-2005, 07:16 PM
Ahhhhh... A happy ending for sure. Be cool to see the boat restored. ;) smile.gif
Hughman
11-11-2005, 07:49 PM
smile.gif
StevenBauer
11-11-2005, 08:21 PM
Good news John! I can't imagine how the hauler got her in there in the first place but maybe it would be easier to take her out of there just before mud season. :D We'd love to follow your progress...
Steven
Sorry all---just back in the country.
GREAT news!!! Please remember to start your restoration Log for WBRF--pix and text, even the covering of her the other day.
I also want to include all the thread info and pix too if they are accurate to builder and design---would you write that up or do you want me to? Or maybe Steve you could do that part since you did most of the legwork and the research.
Are you 100% you taking her? If so I will change her to "SAVED" if it has not already been changed. Please let me know by e-mail---bioelf@mindspring.com
Cheers and happy times ahead!! smile.gif
Bruce
Dir. WBRF
[ 11-14-2005, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: OEX ]
Moose
10-30-2006, 12:11 PM
Could be a solitaire...
StevenBauer
06-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Well, I have some not so good news. I was in the neighborhood today and pulled in the driveway where we saw the Van Dam boat almost three years ago. Turns out Mark lives next door. And the boat was still there. She was covered, but with a different tarp than in the last pic above. most of the pics from this thread were on Imagestation so they are gone. I'll throw up a few here so you new guys can see what we were talking about.
Here's the picture from Van Dam:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cc24b3127ccec29f4cbf59fa00000016100AbNnLhizaOW IPbz4S
As she was in 2005:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cc24b3127ccec29f9a39d82700000016100AbNnLhizaOW IPbz4S
Interior:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cc24b3127ccec29e0211f80f00000016100AbNnLhizaOW IPbz4S
Boat stuff:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cc24b3127ccec29ffec859d400000016100AbNnLhizaOW IPbz4S
So john, what happened?
Steven
StevenBauer
06-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Bump.
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