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Paul Griffin
10-31-2002, 07:48 AM
I'm looking for info or web sites about the Dark Harbor. I've been to Art's site (great site) tongue.gif .
Any help would be great.


10-31-2002, 08:57 AM
Me too! I learned to sail with my Dad back in the '40's on a sister design of Crowninshield, the "Pup" class. Just finished building a model of the 17.

Old Bob

Originally posted by Paul Griffin:
I'm looking for info or web sites about the Dark Harbor. I've been to Art's site (great site) tongue.gif .
Any help would be great.


Paul Griffin
10-31-2002, 11:17 AM
I ordered the plans and issue #37 yesterday. :rolleyes:
Does anyone know of any book that cover the dark Harbor?


Ed Harrow
10-31-2002, 11:30 AM
Art, now here's an opportunity crying for you to fill it.

Art Read
10-31-2002, 01:12 PM
Paul... You might want to try an inter-library loan or one of the "used" book places on the web for Diana Eames Esterly's "Early One Design Sailboats". Unfortunatly, it's out of print now, but I believe it's still available if you look. It has a nice little write-up with early photos of the DH 17 1/2. (And a short mention with one photo of the 12 1/2)

If the truth be told, originally, I wanted to build either the DH 17 or the "Camden" Class... at least until I measured my garage. Now, I'm kind of glad I didn't have the room... That 12 1/2 has seemed PLENTY of boat every time I've had to "manhandle" it around at all! (or pay for the "raw" materials!) Perhaps my perspective will change once I launch her... However, if you compare my pictures with the original plans, you'll see I did "borrow" a few features from the bigger boats. I wanted an open cockpit with bench seats rather than the designed self-bailing "kneewell". And I'd always dreamed of a little daysailor with an "Alerion" type trunk cabin. Having seen that a lot of the original Dark Harbors had been converted to open cockits, well, it wasn't much of a "leap" to imagine a little "lid" over the front end of that cockpit coaming on my 12 1/2. (And I think it looks better than the little "bridge deck" alternative... makes more room, too.) Good luck with your research! Sure be fun to watch a 17 go together!



Paul Griffin
10-31-2002, 04:00 PM

Thanks, the book is on the way.


Paul Griffin
11-01-2002, 02:17 PM
So many colors. I'm waiting for the plans to arrive, so I tried a few color choices for the boat. Any suggestions would be great. I want a classic look.



[ 11-01-2002, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Paul Griffin ]

11-01-2002, 08:07 PM
If you are ever down Newport RI way, the Museum of Yachting has Dark Harbor 17 which they keep in sailing condition.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
11-01-2002, 08:28 PM
By the way Art, each time I see that boat .. the more stunningly beautiful I think it is :cool:

Art Read
11-01-2002, 10:02 PM
Thanks, Peter... That's nice to hear. Sometimes all I see is the stuff I didn't get quite right...

And btw, Paul... I like the one second from the bottom... But I'm biased. ;)

Roger Stouff
11-02-2002, 06:48 AM
Ditto what Peter said, Art.

05-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Amazon has the book


05-07-2009, 08:59 AM
This thread is 7 years old! Aren't computers amazing?
For a minute there I thought Art was back.
Did his gorgeous boat finely sink?
Hope not, he had really set a higher standard for Dark Harbor

Liam English
05-07-2009, 04:54 PM
I just can't call this design a "Dark Harbor" 17. It's really a Manchester 17, commissioned by the Manchester Yacht Club as one of its racing fleets and raced there as such for many years. True, it did wander down to ME, but it STILL is a Manchester 17!