View Full Version : Is a name change in order ? WoodenShips and boats
04-26-2003, 03:35 PM
What do you think of the direction the magazine is going ? In view of the present and up coming articles featuring ship replicas and past copy dealing with ships " Sultana " building etc. maybe a name change is in order. Although I find such articles interesting I do think that the course is deviating a bit. Wooden BOATS how to design, build, maintain and improve them would be more suited between the cover of magazine named WoodenBoat. It's something all the readers of the magazine are most concerned with. Or has any reader/forumite got a wooden ship ? Maybe a diversion into the fantasy world of ships is a good thing, more comforting reading when in the moaning chair. ;)
Oh, I dunno, JD. I agree some of the articles are about ships or big boats none of us will ever own or voyage on but plenty of the issues cover smaller craft that the majority of readers can relate to. I think WB does a fair job of covering all aspect of wooden boats. I enjoy the articles on ships and replicas as well.
04-26-2003, 04:52 PM
You're raising a big question and an interesting one. What is the definition of a "ship" versus a "boat" etc....? To us ( or Jim, specifically!) a "boat" is a submarine. A ship is a birdfarm or worse, a target.
In the wooden boat world, where are the lines drawn between dinghy/skiff/powerboat/trawler/yacht/sailing yacht/racing/yacht/schooner/ship??? and whatever we left out in between.
For us, anything built of wood that is used on water like a boat is good enough for a WoodenBoat story. It is the wood that connects us all, not the shape or size.
04-26-2003, 09:49 PM
I was actually forming the opinion that the mag was leaning a little too hard in the home-building direction the past couple years. Material relevant to professional builders of wood is hard to come by, even though there's a tremendous amount out there, if you spend any time talking to yard workers (maybe they're being tight-lipped to stay competetive :D ). Theres' Professional Boatbuiler, I know, but they haven't done many wood-related articles. But then, I haven't been reading it the last few years.
Bravo to the WB editors for trying to include a broad range of material, so far as I'm concerned. Large ship-building is something there is a surprising amount of, if you look around (half a dozen large projects come to mind with just a moments thought), something a lot of people take a professional interest in, and something you won't find covered anywhere else. It's a tough proposition, trying to please everybody.
04-27-2003, 12:47 PM
What is a bird farm?
a boat is a craft small enought to be carryed on another which is likely to be a ship.
functionally a boat is usually tied in some way to the land either small enough so that it is not indipendently live abordable subs, destroyer, torpedo boats, ironclads of the civil war were origionally all called boats because they were special use vessels made to do a job then return to amother ship or base where their people lived in some like subs the old tern sticks others like ironclads we do not have any more
if some one wrre building a replica of an ironclad I wonder if that would be an intresting artical for woodenboat? or would it be too esoteric?
04-27-2003, 03:28 PM
On 'some' of the British dinghy touring sites, I have read, 'that if a dinghy is bigger than 15ft', ... then she's not a dinghy.
Maybe, I'm not a dinghy sailor. Maybe, I'm a yacht owner, :eek: .
ps, In Australia if your skiff doesn't go like a 'bat out of hell', ... then she's not really a skiff, she might as well be just a dinghy, ... unless she is bigger than 15ft, ... then she is back to being a yacht.
[ 04-27-2003, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]
04-27-2003, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by seafox61:
What is a bird farm?An aircraft carrier (and also a target).
04-27-2003, 08:58 PM
On Lake Michigan all steamers, motor vessels, etc. including 1000' ore carriers are called "boats."
04-27-2003, 09:39 PM
It must be hard to please everyone.
I take almost no interest in the ships. After leering at the figureheads for a couple of seconds I flip ahead to the good stuff...sailing canoes, sneakboxes, clinker dinghies, sharpies, funky old workboats. I look for articles on rigging, odd construction details, profiles of builders and designers, design reviews.
But some people, to my amazement, seem to enjoy mooning over the palatial interior of a millionaire's yacht. Others seem to like ultra-glossy production runabouts, or cold-moulded racing sloops, or those absurdly thin rowing shells. They must huff impatiently when they see another damn canoe yawl.
I suppose someone is glad to see those elementary tutorials on burnishing scraper blades, tuning planes, or whatever. They annoy me, though...I always feel like I've opened Popular Woodworking by mistake. I come to WB for nautical lore. Show me how to forge my own rudder hardware! Tell me more about that buff polyester rope!
Yes, it must be hard for the editors to strike the right balance.
04-27-2003, 09:56 PM
I like the how-to articles, even the basic ones. I especially liked the article in the recent WB about the workboat conversion to a power cruiser. (Not that I'd ever even think of owning a power boat!) I'm curious, though, why the editors called it a "Pocket Cruiser", when it's a full 30 feet long.
Maybe WB has been Super-sized one too many times, so that they think a 30 footer is a "pocket cruiser." I think of a 30 footer as a full-size boat.
04-27-2003, 10:06 PM
Depends on how deep your pockets are, I guess.
04-28-2003, 05:23 AM
I like the mix. I also buy Watercraft and other odd titles if the content appeals. I have a collection of photo's of millionaires yachts from before 1914 from the Yachtsman magazine. I'm glad someone published them too. It's worth remembering that the said millionaires probably don't get much sailing in between making money. Their professional crews get all the fun. We skiff, dinghy and canoe owners get lots ,of cheap fun, more so if we build 'em ourselves, and can you imagine youre average millionaire spending a freezing winter in a plastic boathouse sanding his personally restored pride and joy?
Now there are sane millionaires, we have one called Dick Smith who spends his time with charities and having fun with helicopters rather than trying to rip the rest of the country off to make even more. Give me an impoverished Folkboat or Chris-craft restorer any day!
04-28-2003, 06:44 AM
I like the mix as well. I loved the articles on Sultana - partly because they involved the whole community in building her. I don't pay nuch attention to power boats- Chriscraft doesn't interest me much- but I realize the need for a broader audience. The "how tos' are written for a simple guy like me.
I would like to see more written on catboats. There isn't much in the WB archives on catboats- perhaps a building project of the Marsh cat or Wittholz.
04-28-2003, 11:03 AM
eh, if it's wood, and it floats, it's fair game for WB.
Where else will these seemingly-off topics get their due?
I forget where I read this, possibly Ruhlman's (sp?)"Wooden Boats", but I read that a respectable percentage of WB readers don't even OWN a boat, let alone a wooden boat, and have no immediate plans to purchase one. For these readers, the appeal is the romance of wooden craft, the mythic, the epic.... the fantasy. Even for us how-to nuts, there needs to be a little of the romance.
The exceptional photography doesn't hurt, either. Even some of the tool-maintenance articles have had photos worthy of a frame and a wall.
04-28-2003, 11:27 AM
I remember someone from the WB staff, Tom Jackson I think, said that they get most of their content from outside writers' submissions. Perhaps what comes in slants what gets printed. Economics, at least partly, probably drives editorial decisions, like much of the rest of what we do.
Find out what format they accept. Write your pet article. We await your story breathlessly smile.gif
04-30-2003, 10:42 AM
I like the how-to articles, even the basic ones. I do too, when the information in them is particular to boats.
I wrote my comments before I'd seen #172. That new feature, "The Apprentice's Workbench," hits the spot. I've never seen a detailed discussion of live-edge lumber in any general-interest woodworking magazine. This is just the sort of basic how-to that belongs in WB.
And, without having seen the latest issue, I assumed the "ships" article would be a feel-good photo-essay on the building and launch of a tall ship (like the Sultana piece). It turns out to be the first in a series on the whole phenomenon of Replica-building. Wonderful stuff.
And Bolger's review of "Tall Ships Down" was meaty and informative. Despite my lack of enthusiasm for the big square riggers, I found it fascinating.
I loved the excerpts from "Lines," and Jagels gave me plenty to chew on.
Finally...I was transfixed by Gartside's Surprise II. A muscular little boat, but strangely elegant. What a fine thing. (Barbara, if you're reading, what's she like to cruise in?)
All in all, 172 is a very good number.
Sorry, guys, I can't help but toss a grenade in here. ;)
If one wants the WoodenBoat magazine to stay on the topic of small wooden boats and not digress into esoteric or other topics, then one should expect the WoodenBoat forum to do the same. I presume then that if dropping articles on square riggers and multi-million dollar hundred-foot sloops is desired that you wouldn't mind dropping "Misc. Non-Boat Related" from the forum? :D
We have to be careful about being too specific about what should be called a "wooden boat". I recall from the early days of the magazine that there were grumpy letters to the editor decrying the loss of focus on true boats by allowing articles on that blasphemously modern material epoxy to appear on WB pages. I particularly remember howls of protest over featuring an Unlimited-class hydro on the cover because, even though it was built of wood, it wasn't really a boat.
As a last point, I have made my living in the boat world for over twenty years and in that time I have never heard a concise definition of what a "boat" is. The common definition is that a boat is a vessel that can be carried on a ship as an auxiliary craft. My government equates "boat" with "small craft" and defines small craft as those under 20m (65 ft) LOA, but the auxiliary craft on some cruise ships are almost 24m (80 ft) long. Which brings us back to "what is a boat?"
My vote is to keep WB bringing us nautical information and ephemera in any form as long as it is somewhat - even tenuously - related to using wood to build things that are used afloat.
04-30-2003, 01:41 PM
Yes wooden boats are wooden ships.I have lots of oppotunities to work(vollunteer )on these vessels and love to see the process involved in the restoration of such even though I will never own one . I like the roundness of the magazine. smile.gif Peace Dan L.
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