#180

[AngWood]

Well, it hasn't arrived in my mailbox yet, but here's a sneak peek from the home page.

http://www.woodenboat.com/200180s.jpg

[Leon Steyns]

Would that be the "SeptemberJuly / August 2004 Issue #180" ? :D

I wonder when my copy will arrive, having ordered my subscription three weeks ago... :cool:

Looking forward to the Bona Fide and Pleione articles (among others, I just short of eating every issue... ;) ).

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ 08-24-2004, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Leon Steyns ]

[landlocked sailor]

Mine came today! :D Rick

[NormMessinger]

So'd mine. tongue.gif

[ken mcclure]

Mine too. smile.gif Half read already.

[huisjen]

Mine came yesterday. (neener neener! tongue.gif )

I liked seeing the group shot. Somehow Scott Bell wasn't there though.

Dan

[ken mcclure]

I noticed that, Dan. Conspicuous by his absence. tongue.gif

[NormMessinger]

Yeah but there were several other missing as well so I don't think he is hidding from StanV's friends. :D

[Venchka]

Mine will arrive in the Swamp after our mates down under get theirs. :rolleyes:

Wayne
In the Third World Swamp. :D

[TimH]

Ooops I let my prescription lapse. Time to renew.... :(

[John B]

Bona Fide looks the goods. I want to read that.

[brian.cunningham]

Originally posted by John B:
Bona Fide looks the goods. I want to read that.Quite surprizing actually!
Mine came yesterday. smile.gif

[Old Sailor]

Reached Georgia yesterday. Trying to figure out how to make the reading last more than a few days. BTW two (or three) very important tools to have available when reading. A highlighter pen, Post-It notes and perhaps a glass of scotch on the side.

Old Sailor

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Mine came this morning :D :D

I love the photo of the Publisher at his office Tree - with his APPLE iBook laptop just like mine smile.gif

[bamamick]

I am really looking forward to the story on the new 8 meter. This is kind of a new concept, a traditional looking boat above the waterline, with a modern underbody. And the boat measures in and can race as an 8 meter. A similiar project was just completed in Australia, with another on the way, and if I'm not mistaken, one in Japan, as well.

I love meter boats. Last year I had a little extra money and could not decide between a 6 meter or a Dragon. The nearest 6 meter was in Seattle, weighs 8000 lbs., draws too much water, and is basically too big for my club. The Dragon was closer, weighs much less, fits my club perfectly. A no brainer? Not really. I tried to contact some 6 meter guys about boats for sale with no luck. I e-mailed people in Sweden, the U.K., and in Seattle but got no replies at all.

Oh, well. I've got a beautiful Dragon now. It's not completely finished, but when it is it will be a stunner. Still, sometimes I dream about what I would have done if one of those guys would have contacted me about the six.

Mickey Lake

[Bob P]

My all time favorite.
"I made sure not to wash that spot before I 'glassed it over and wrote "Olin Stephens DNA here," preserving his gentic code permanently as part of PLEIONE" (See page 67)
Old Sailor

[Garrett Lowell]

That was a great article, Bob P. I also very much enjoyed the Melonseed Skiff article.

[imported_Steven Bauer]

I know that boat on the cover. She's berthed down by DiMillos floating restaurant. :D Pretty for a stinkpotter. :D
Steven

[Hwyl]

I looked at the Folkboat "Eira" in 1998. I often regret not aquiring her. I look forwad to reading about her restoration.

"Eira" (Eh rah) means "Snow" in Welsh, but it was also the name of Val Howells wife.

[Venchka]

Did y'all pick up on the fact that it took Val Howells' help to get a set of plans from the international association? Those folks are tight with their plans! Now we know how to get Folkboat plans. :mad:

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[rbgarr]

I liked the article about JUNIATA's owner and the recounting of Jon Wilson's doings since 'leaving' WB.

BTW, I highly recommend his HOPE Magazine. Wonderful idea and execution for a publication!

Subscribers have recently been challenged to try to get (or purchase gift subscriptions for) three or more new subscribers for the magazine. Their subscription rate has to get up to 80,000 per issue from the current 20,000 (WB has, what, 100,000+?) in order to break even.

We'll be giving three gift subscriptions to public and school libraries as a result of the request.

[Leon Steyns]

Nothing yet... :(

Subscription has been paid, as the creditcard statement shows. Maybe I should buy a few pigeons? :D

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Hwyl:
I looked at the Folkboat "Eira" in 1998. I often regret not aquiring her. I look forwad to reading about her restoration.

"Eira" (Eh rah) means "Snow" in Welsh, but it was also the name of Val Howells wife.It's a "Frisco Flyer". I like 'em!

[Hwyl]

It was my birthday yesterday---time marches on, and as a personal present I saved 180 until then, read most of it last night. What about this influx of "Sail" writers?. Denis Caprio and Knowles Pittman? and even a cruising story--unusual for WB.

All in all I liked it. I particularly liked the 8 metre story, not many carpenters in Maine can put aside $100000 to build a boat in their swimming pool cabana. I think there are safety issues with that 180 degree turning block right next to the helm

I disagree with Nic Compton (late of "Classic Boat" more new blood ?) about "Bona Fide" I find her strikingly beautiful.

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Hughman:
It's a "Frisco Flyer". I like 'em![/QB]I like em too, but I think you'll find that the Frisco flyer story is about the kid from Darien CT who worked at G&B and sailed to Cuba in his FB. Not Eira.

Did you fix your MD11 yet?

[brian.cunningham]

I saw JUNIATA at a recent boat show.
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001795

It's as pretty in person, as the pic on the cover. Nice to read the story behind the owner and the boat.

[botebum]

Interesting blurb on Jon Wilson in Currents. I had the pleasure to meet him back around '76 or '77 as a teen. He took an interest in my attempts to revive an old Lyman. It always impressed me that my age and ignorance didn't phase him. thanks Jon.

[John B]

Hwyl, what did Nic say about Bonafide? Just curious... it'll take sometime for WB to get here.

[Peter Page]

I just got mine today. Now to try not to read it in one night.
Peter

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by John B:
Hwyl, what did Nic say about Bonafide? Just curious... it'll take sometime for WB to get here.I'll try to give the feeling I garnered from the article. He juxtapositions the look of "Bona Fide" with the S&S boats which he describes as "arguably the ultimate development of the trade". He compares the canoe body and keel of "BF" to a ULDB. The line I objected to is "Frankly, it's not a pretty sight".

He then goes into a history of the boat, including a great sidebar on her designer "Sibbick". I'll not give the details, but it's exceedingly interesting. He gives his take on the boats survival, I've read stuff like this by him before and agree, he says something like: various owners changed the boat to their taste and use, and it's the care, however innapropriate that ensured the survival of the boat.

The last three of four paragraphs talk about, the vision of the designer, someone compares the boat to "Luna Rosa", but he muses on the relative lack of acceptance into the Med circuit, because the boat "looks" modern. However the boat was originally specifically designed for racing in the Med' so her owner expresses frustration, quoted here as "I am surprised that no one understands the importance of Bona Fide, she was specially built to race on the Cote de Azure and she has a great race record. She is also the only boat built under the Godinet rule that has survived. She is a piece of French history".

I hope I have answered your question John, and that your copy arrives soon.

Gareth

[John B]

Beautifully thanks Gareth. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[John B]

I just did a google on Bona fide and came up with this PDF
http://www.dolde.de/verlag/test_nautica.pdf
excellent pictures and probably a good article as well. I can only make out" yachting club", " wunderbar" and " Sibbick" because it's in German but I can see enough to discover that she's earlier than I thought( 1899), a fin keeler, and has a massive sail area at 1444 sq m or 1550 sq ft on a W/L of 8.9m.
she'd have to be rapid.

[ 09-06-2004, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Hwyl]

John, I'm sorry I thought you already knew something about her. You put me in a quandary, because i don't want to post the whole article. You'll be enjoying it soon enough.

Here's a few snippets

She's more than a fin keeler, she has a plate and bulb keel. No skeg on the rudder, which is remiiscent of a Flying Fifteen.

LOA 44' 7"
LWL 29' 2"
B max 8" 6"
Draught 6' 1"

(roughly scaled off the drawings, I'd say her conoe body draws about two feet).

She won the 1900 Olympics (Paris but held in the English Channel)

They bent her back into shape at the rate of 3/8 inch a week.

Hope your mag' arrives soon.

[Hwyl]

That's a great site you posted.
I think I could have squeezed another fraction of a knot out of her.Lot's of untidy sailing going on in those pictures. Did you see the picture with boom bending and the vertical creases on the main?

I can somewhat read German as long as it's about sailing, rebuilding engines or astro nav' (all really useful stuff). I had to look up schmetterling, which means butterfly.

It's interesting that semi swept deck planking is being used more and more often. This boat, I'd have gone either swept or straight laid, but not semi swept. I guess mr Giordano, is paying so he can do what he wants. She certainly is what Shane would call "absolutoflamindropdeadgorgeous"

[John B]

Re the boom bend.. you see that a lot on these age/type boats. I have views on that.I didn't want it. I don't really think it's necessary and its easy to fix even though its a light boom for the sail area.Having said that, all it does is flatten the sail a bit and with all that area a bit of depowering isn't going to hurt too much. :D
Re the cloths. I was very specific about having a cross cut main rather than vertical cut. Certainly by 1907 ,vertical cut was obsolete as a racing sail. I thought it was earlier than that... somewhere around 1890 that cross cut mains became the design of choice.perhaps its in period for that boat but I 'm a bit surprised to see it.