View Full Version : Race 4

John Bell
02-19-2003, 01:33 PM
The scheduled start is a mere 6 hours from now. I'll try to post updates for those who'd like to follow along. Hopefully someone more knowlegeble than me will chime in with some analysis. Otherwise I'll just parrot whatever Jobson says...

John B
02-19-2003, 06:15 PM
Hamish Pepper is off the boat( tactitian). Bertrand Pace is on. It's being reported that it's the first time in 157 years that frenchman is in an Americas cup race.
Predicted 20 knots. There was 16 and 18 a wee while ago but it's back to 8 and shifting in direction.

Wild Wassa
02-19-2003, 07:14 PM
Good luck with the change.

I hope Silver Fern kicks boat.

John Bell
02-19-2003, 07:20 PM
Wind currently at 5 knots out of the SW, start is postponed while we wait for the expected 15 knot breeze to fill in...

Joe (SoCal)
02-19-2003, 07:33 PM
And their off

[ 02-19-2003, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

John Bell
02-19-2003, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
And their offIt's a replay of Race 2, Joe... But it was a good 'un worth watching again!

Wild Wassa
02-19-2003, 07:43 PM
I'm big on doldrum starts.

Joe (SoCal)
02-19-2003, 07:46 PM
I just caut up its Deja Vue all over again :D

Wild Wassa
02-19-2003, 07:51 PM
Joe don't you have to go to work tonight, or are you just taking a sicky ? :cool: . I'm going to ring your boss.

John Bell
02-19-2003, 07:52 PM
Wind up to 11 knots now, should'nt be too much longer.

Question: do y'all think we'll see Pace take the wheel during the start?

Joe (SoCal)
02-19-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Wild Wassa:
Joe don't you have to go to work tonight, or are you just taking a sicky ? :cool: . I'm going to ring your boss.:D Off tonight I missed most of the 2nd race that's why I missed it being a repeat.

John Bell
02-19-2003, 08:38 PM
They're trying for a start at 15:00 local time, about 35 minutes from now.

John Bell
02-19-2003, 09:13 PM
...or maybe not. The race committee thinks it's too shify (40-60 degree shifts) to start. They are planning on letting the time run out, then let the teams decide if they want to race.

Back to race two.

John B
02-19-2003, 09:38 PM
Abandoned for the day. too shifty.Too light too.
Good job. Our boys break in 25 lose in 8 and 12 knots. we need 18 to 20. :D

John Bell
02-19-2003, 09:41 PM
TNZ didn't want to race. Butterworth on SUI-64 said with a wry grin they were "bitterly dissappointed" at the decision. I'm not sure, but I think I heard race director Harold Bennett utter a single word in response to Butterworth: "Bull****." Butterworth wasn't foolin' nobody. :D

See y'all back on Friday (US time, Saturday in the Antipodes).

[ 02-19-2003, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: John Bell ]

John B
02-19-2003, 09:44 PM
Gamesmanship. They are masters at it.

John B
02-19-2003, 09:55 PM
Next race is on Saturday NZ date .IE: tommorrow is Friday here.

[ 02-19-2003, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

imported_Steven Bauer
02-19-2003, 10:14 PM
I thought it was the guys on the Alinghi that said bull**** when they heard Team NZ's decision to not race. Mary was walking by the TV right when that loud and clear Bull**** was uttered and was teasing Gavin and I about letting a 13 year old watch a sport with such profanity! I said "come on, it's not like it's tennis or something" :D


[ 02-19-2003, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Steven.Bauer ]

John B
02-19-2003, 10:27 PM
Yeah, I thought it was Butterworth too.

02-20-2003, 01:52 AM
It's been edited out since, but when the rigging gave way on the TNZ sail in the first race, you definately heard the f-word. As an appropriate usage as any I've seen recently. :D

martin schulz
02-20-2003, 03:56 AM
To me it appeared more like a tactical-decision if there ever was one.

First the race is postponed til 15:30 which automatically meant that both teams have to agree on a start then TNZ says No, giving them until Saturday to fix the problems they have.

and don't give me that BS about the wind. As far I I heard following the commentary it was blowing with 15kn and I definetely saw whitecaps.

And who is Harold Bennett? Any ideas?

02-20-2003, 06:17 AM
In Maldwin Drummond's book "Saltwater Palaces" there is a quote about racing in the old (and now somewhat rejuvenated) J class yachts; "Before the owner went to bed at night, a burning candle was placed on the deck, if it was still burning in the morning there was too little wind to race, and if it was out; there was too much wind to race".

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Wild Wassa
02-20-2003, 03:03 PM
Since we saw little, here is a little more.



John B
02-20-2003, 03:09 PM
Harold Bennett is a man who has spent most of his life developing young sailors by running sailing programmes and then assisting them in a sailing career with further training. He is a man to be respected. One of his people was a young lad by the name of Coutts. To name one.
He is held in very high regard.
The wind yesterday was shifting badly. For example, at one mark it was 268 , at another it was 216. This is a windward/ leeward race. You can have light and steady wind, you can even have consistent and slightly changing wind direction( they move the marks while the race is happening) but you can't have light and shifting to that degree.
We saw a beautiful piece of gamesmanship yesterday. Despite the impression they gave ,Alinghi would no more want to race in those conditions than TNZ. Why would they want to enter a lottery when they are winning on the water. Answer: they don't want to. Nope. they played the game and just like a board game they won it when TNZ answered promptly. Notice that they didn't answer at all , let it go over the time limit and forced Bennett to cancel and then laughed their heads off.
A good old fashioned mind reaming.