Cheoy Lee Frisco Flyer

[WFK]

I've come across one that I think I'd like to buy. Anyone have first hand experience with one that could have some input?
This particular one was built in 1960, teak hull is in good shape,recently wooded and re-painted no rot in the house, cutter rig with a new main. Inboard engine is on it's last legs. Still lots of bright teak that still shows well.

Bill

[imported_Steven Bauer]

Have you been to www.cheoyleeassociation.com (http://www.cheoyleeassociation.com) ?

[Gary Bergman]

Great little boats here on the Bay.Lotsof 'em around. They made some changes one year to another, but all 25-26 foot, 3'10- 41/2 foot draft, easy to sail

[Scott Rosen]

I'll second Gary's comments. We had one when I was a kid. A great boat. Does the one you are looking at have the hand carved teak in the cabin?

[Hughman]

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[WFK]

Hughman
Thats the boat, although It doesn't have the carving that you show. The interior seems to be completey unchanged and after looking through the paperwork tonight it shows a hull # 6068-M,....if that makes any sence. Also, the rig is slightly diffent with a very compact set of spreaders down lower and a set of jumpers up 2/3rds. I should be planning for retirement,....not buying a boat, but what the hell,....I'm thinking I'll go for it. He says he'll take 5k. If it happens Maybe I'll post some pics
Thanks for your replys you guys.

Bill

[Hughman]

Bill,
Frisco flyers were first introduced with a fractional rig, although they might be called Pacific Clippers in that configuration. A 1960 hull would have a number under 1000, I would think, as mine is 1066, built in 1962. 5K is a great price for a seaworthy boat. Check the condition of the plywood used in the bulkheads, and other panel areas. Also look carefully at the ipol frames at the turn of the bilge, they tend to split. The carvings were a selling point for these vessels, yours may have been removed, check for evidence of fastener holes inside the teak sidewalls of the cabin. Good luck!!
ALWAYS GET A SURVEY!! from a wood boat qualified surveyer.

[WFK]

Hughman;
Where on the boat will I find a hull #? And how many do you think were built of wood? The water tanks as well as one fuel tank have been pulled by the guy who I'm buying it from so he could scrub out the bilges. (He's turning around and buying a modified H-28). access to the frames are excellent and they appear to be in good shape. I'm qualified to survey this boat myself and I also have a copy of the last survey done 8 years ago, a fairly clean bill of health with nothing structural showing up in it.
Thanks for your help

Bill

[Hughman]

Bill,
The hull number on my boat is on the inside forward cabin, a oval bronze plaque mounted on a teak base.
Mine came to me without water tanks, which I think were originally bilge shaped copper/zinc. I prefer replaceable neoprene or plastic anyway.

<snip> I'm qualified to survey this boat myself <snip>
I thought you might be, no offense intended smile.gif

Good luck! It's a fine boat, but I'm not biased! :D

[Chris Coose]

Hugh,
Victoria came with copper and solder fuel and water tanks. Couldn't keep the diesel clean beyond a season and I did not care to suffer the same fate as the Romans by drinking from that tank. I use it's water for bathing, couldn't bring myself to remove it because I admire the craftsmanship with which they fit the darned thing.

[WFK]

Unfortunatley Hugh, there is no plate with a hull number, so all I know is that the last survey said built in '60. It has new decks as well as new cabin top, sadly, the teak cockpit grates were stolen. It still has all the tanks, but maybe some new ones for water may be in order. I'll go down and make the deal on Friday at the boat. Then I suppose it'll be picture time. Thanks again you guys.

Bill

[Hughman]

Chris, Copper fuel tanks? Hmmmm.

I have one stainless, fitted stbd, under the forward settee. holds about 6 gallons. I had to remove it, cut an access port, and clean it with methelene chloride one year. Bill seems to have two tanks? As for water, I use 2 litre soda bottles, stashed in the bilge- the boat is so tight I clean the bilge with a vacuum cleaner to get up the dust. smile.gif

Bill, if you replace the engine, (Volvo MD1?) you can fit a Yanmar two cyl, and it will fit under the cockpit sole, and the engine hatch gets re-engineered flush. You'd make new grates anyway. Mine are a PIA in actual use, I only use them for show.
Cheers, -Hugh

[Hughman]

Bill, Pictures? smile.gif

[WFK]

I bought the boat tonight, so I'll post some pics this weekend.
Bill

[Cap'n R an R]

We bought a Frisco Flyer in 1962.....great boat.....had a one cylinder diesel....the only problem I had with the boat was this.....the boom had a groove which the mainsail slid into....the first time I went sailing the wind tore the mainsail right out of the groove and ripped the wood the entire length of the boom....I had a new boom made with a sail track not a groove.....doublecheck your boom for weakness if it still hasa groove....

[ishmael]

A question. Aren't these boats essentially a Folkboat?

Good luck. Nary a negative comment. Cheoy Lee are supposed to have been very well made. I hope it works out.

[WFK]

pictures as promised.......hey Hugh did you check your private e-mail? http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid58/p73181df5844917c36575a340cafd85bf/fc6367f1.jpg

[mtlake]

Hey Bill she looks pretty good without the cover. Put down your todo list for a while and lets go sailing! Good Luck Steve

[PT flyer]

My wife and I also purchased a '62 Clipper/FF recently, and were wondering if there was a Frisco Flyer association in Washington state. I would like to get together with other flyers in the area.

[R.I.Singer30]

Nice boat .Only $5k?Good for you ,you should enjoy your retirement and all the time before. Live every day to it's fullest . smile.gif Dan L.

[WFK]

PT Flyer
I'm not aware of a Wash. St. organized group of flyers, however Cheoy Lee has a good web site with other owners.

Bill

[Hughman]

PT Flyer, Welcome to the forum!!

What is your boats hull number? Is it a masthead rig or fractional? Please post a photo!! smile.gif

There's a Frisco Flyer page with owners contact info at this site. It's a moderately big site, so drill down to it. Join up!

http://www.cheoyleeassociation.com/

Cheers, Hugh

[PT flyer]

Hughman,
The Hull number is 909, sail #29 the current name is "Mokuola". Purchased from a great guy named Mike, who will be helping us get it to PT on Monday and Tuesday. Will try and post some pictures when we return, after I figure out how.

[ 04-20-2004, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: PT flyer ]

[PT flyer]

After almost a year, I have (I think) figured out how to post phots, so here are some of our flyer.

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I also have photos of the boat for restoration, so if anyone wants to see them, let me know.

Ed

[Hughman]

Great photos! Thanks.

Consider adding trim ballast in the bow. Worked for me smile.gif

[PT flyer]

Hughman,
I guess in a way, we are adding some trim weight to the bow, in the form of a holding tank.....

I can only hope that we can get it in the water this year, as we have hauled and is now in the driveway.

Here are some more photos, including the carvings and the Atomic 4.

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[Hughman]

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[Dave K]

I'm curious...in an article related to his "Ostkust" design, Al Mason mentioned that a West Coast builder had built from the "Ostkust" design but with modified deck and cabin plan. Would that boat be the "Frisco Flyer"? The bow reminds me a bit of the "Ostkust", and the longer cabin would be an improvement for interior plan. The photos show a very nice boat - I am just curious as to her genesis...

[Hughman]

Frisco Flyer is a folkboat built by the Cheoy Lee company of (then) Hong Kong. The folkboat association recognizes them as a catagory.

[imported_Steven Bauer]

Get the block and tackles ready, Hugh. It looks like we're coming up there on Saturday to help you move the boat. :D

Steven