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Greg H
07-23-2003, 06:51 PM
Why A Special Prosecutor's Investigation Is Needed

To Sort Out the Niger Uranium And Related WMDs Mess

By JOHN W. DEAN

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Published on Friday, Jul. 18, 2003

The heart of President Bush's January 28 State of the Union address was his case for going to war against Saddam Hussein. In making his case, the President laid out fact after fact about Saddam's alleged unconventional weapons. Indeed, the claim that these WMDs posed an imminent threat was his primary argument in favor of war.
Now, as more and more time passes with WMDs still not found, it seems that some of those facts may not have been true. In particular, recent controversy has focused on the President's citations to British intelligence purportedly showing that Saddam was seeking "significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
In this column, I will examine the publicly available evidence relating to this and other statements in the State of the Union concerning Saddam's WMDs. Obviously, I do not have access to the classified information the President doubtless relied upon. But much of the relevant information he drew from appears to have been declassified, and made available for inquiring minds.
What I found, in critically examining Bush's evidence, is not pretty. The African uranium matter is merely indicative of larger problems, and troubling questions of potential and widespread criminality when taking the nation to war. It appears that not only the Niger uranium hoax, but most everything else that Bush said about Saddam Hussein's weapons was false, fabricated, exaggerated, or phony.
Bush repeatedly, in his State of the Union, presented beliefs, estimates, and educated guesses as established fact. Genuine facts are truths that can be known or are observable, and the distance between fact and belief is uncertainty, which can be infinite. Authentic facts are not based on hopes or wishes or even probabilities. Now it is little wonder that none of these purported WMDs has been discovered in Iraq.
So egregious and serious are Bush's misrepresentations that they appear to be a deliberate effort to mislead Congress and the public. So arrogant and secretive is the Bush White House that only a special prosecutor can effectively answer and address these troubling matters. Since the Independent Counsel statute has expired, the burden is on President Bush to appoint a special prosecutor - and if he fails to do so, he should be held accountable by Congress and the public.

and he should know...... tongue.gif

Full Story:
http://www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/Dean%20Why%20a%20Special%20Prosecutor.html

Donn
07-23-2003, 06:57 PM
If you're gonna use John Dean to support your side, I may be forced to quote Clinton's phone call to Larry King last night, to support my side. Fair is fair. tongue.gif

Greg H
07-23-2003, 07:11 PM
Go ahead, I heard it.
...and I think Clinton's foriegn Policy generaly sucked. ;) ...or was
Too little, too late.
Of course he had no help from the Repud controled congress which would never support anything he wanted to do, regardless of what it was, just because he was Clinton.

[ 07-23-2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Greg H ]

WoodenJoe
07-23-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
If you're gonna use John Dean to support your side, I may be forced to quote Clinton's phone call to Larry King last night, to support my side. Fair is fair. tongue.gif Don't you think that was to take the heat of of him for using the same LIE in 1998? How many people and even the UN weapons inspectors and not limited to Sadamn himself, in is early declaration, lied before Jan. 20, 2001?

The phone call was a great setup for redemption but only reinforced the truth about WMDs existing long before 2001. Gosh this forum is too predicable. Check in the morning, same story different poster on the Lying thread by Steven Bauer. Don't you guys ever change your stories?

Donn
07-23-2003, 07:59 PM
WoodenJoe...thanks for reinforcing my choice of bait. :D

flatbottom
07-23-2003, 08:48 PM
Dean,Clinton and Bush, it's a trifecta of Liars! Each still trying to cover thier asses and blaming everyone else. Bush's so called "16 words" that some call a lie isn't as important to me as the character flaw of Bush to blame everyone else. When Bush dodged the question of whether he accepts any responcibilty for the flawed or misleading intelligence I knew then and there he was no better than Bill Clinton or any other scumbag politican.

LeeG
07-23-2003, 09:44 PM
I'd like to know what Saudi Arabia is going to do with 25%unemployment and a disgruntled fundamentalism that thinks Wahhabism isn't fundamental enough. ok,,that's left field,,how about left over WOMD in former USSR?

Greg H
07-24-2003, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by flatbottom:
Dean,Clinton and Bush, it's a trifecta of Liars! Each still trying to cover thier asses and blaming everyone else. Bush's so called "16 words" that some call a lie isn't as important to me as the character flaw of Bush to blame everyone else. When Bush dodged the question of whether he accepts any responcibilty for the flawed or misleading intelligence I knew then and there he was no better than Bill Clinton or any other scumbag politican.There ya go.

The State of the Union address is the most important (?) speach he gives each year. If he doesn't take the time to fact check it, what does that say about him? Or, if he does carefully check it, knows that it is missleading and gives it anyway, understanding it's effect on the public, what does that say?
And now he won't take resposibility for his own words.

He is either disrespecting the office with his carelessness or the public with his condescention.


Those 16 words may be technicly not a lie.( like Clinton's... 'Depends what the meaning of is, is' ) But taken all together, the statements look like a misrepresentation of the situation that existed before the war. The war was marketed to the world...The idea of the "big lie"

An independent investigation sounds like a good idea.

stan v
07-24-2003, 07:33 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Habib, you funny man.

Greg H
07-24-2003, 07:39 AM
Just doing my job mam.