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Wild Dingo
11-26-2004, 12:10 AM
I guess bein a downunderite has me at some sorta disadvantage with yous rightsideupians but can someone explain to me how...

No matter where one comes from in the world

If one disagrees with President Bush and the invasion of Iraq one hates America and one therefore hates President Bush?

How the heck can that make any sence to anyone with half a brain to think with?

On several threads theres been some frothing at the fingers and gleefull sliding in the froth and excited jigging and jumping around about some report on CNN of finding weapons and a room that was APPARENTLY MAYBE used for chemical weapons manufacture... and this then now PROVES CATAGORICALLY that this President and all his little men were RIGHT in invading Iraq cause of course it PROVES that they were right and Saddam had WOMD?... and therefore ALL those who have disagreed civilly or vehemently AGAINST the invasion somehow HATE AMERICA? and HATE BUSH?...

HOW THE HELL DOES THAT WORK MATES?

I personally DISAGREED with the invasion THEN AND STILL DO... It was and is WRONG on so many levels its not funny... I personally also DISAGREED with the President at the time and still do with the lies and bull****e used to sway the worlds leaders to invade Iraq...

I maintain that stance IT WAS WRONG!... but do I hate America? NOT BY A LONG SHOT... Do I hate President Bush? HOW THE HELL CAN ONE HATE SOMEONE ONE HAS NEVER MET? Personally I couldnt give a rats ass about the man... Do I hate him as the President of the worlds most powerful country? nope I again couldnt give a rats ass about that... WHAT I DO GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT is...

Your President leading his country and our country into an invasion of another country under the guise of utter bull****e lies innuendo and total fabrication and yes by use of thinly veiled threat and intimidation... Your Presidents name could have been Clinton Carter Kennedy or friggin Cat in the flamin Hat for all I care! Just happens that Bush Jnr is the President and Bush Jnr is the person who did it... and that is bloody wrong!!

But I do wish some here would get down of their high friggin horses and get a bloody grip! Just cause some dont agree with what your President has done DOES NOT mean we hate America or the man Bush jnr... who cares about Bush Jnr? its the bloody President that matters and this Bush Jnr charector has as he presently is the President given for histories tales reasons bull****e and lies to go to war and convinced the week leadership of other soveriegn countries that they must also go to war cause if they "arent with us theyre against us"... implied threat to coerce another country to ally themselves with them...

What amazing stories will be told in future to come about this little man named Bush who would be king of the world

But hate America? and hate Bush the man? get real will you?!! ****e what utter codswollop :mad:

ahem... thank you for this opportunity to have a rant and get that off me chest now I return you to your usual fluster bluster and hyperbole

Ron Williamson
11-26-2004, 06:26 AM
I echo those sentiments,but could never manage the verbosity. :D
R

Wild Dingo
11-26-2004, 06:41 AM
What can I say? Its a talent tongue.gif :D

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
11-26-2004, 07:00 AM
http://www.sfheart.com/images/peace_2.jpg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
11-26-2004, 07:15 AM
I agree with Shane.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
11-26-2004, 07:36 AM
Most reasonable people will ACB. ;)

imported_Dutch
11-26-2004, 07:57 AM
i agree we need a close up of that peace protest

Magwitch
11-26-2004, 09:25 AM
I agree with Andrew's agreement.
The USA is a strange and very foreign country, it's people are not like us normal types but not evil either. Given a few hundred years and asuming they don’t all shoot each other in self defence I reckon they’ll turn out OK.
IanW

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
11-26-2004, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence Ian. :D

NormMessinger
11-26-2004, 10:09 AM
It is a defense mechanism, Shane. If one can demonize the opposition and the lazy middle buys half of it one wins. Sad ain't it? Or maybe it is about moral values. If you don't have moral values you are the enemy of all that is good.

Magwitch
11-26-2004, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Know It All:
Thanks for the vote of confidence Ian. :D My pleasure, though I wouldn't call it confidence, more blind optimism and straw clutching. ;)

IanW

ken mcclure
11-26-2004, 12:02 PM
Lessee here .... I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said, "Walk softly and carry a big mouth."

The HUGE majority of Americans are just like the Canadians, Mexicans, Germans, British, Australian, Japanese, Russians, French and so on and so on.

Well, maybe not like the French...

Unfortunately what the world sees is not a picture of that huge boring "get through the day, put food on the table" mass of Americans but rather they are shown the "I'm gonna kill me a g#$d%mn (communist, terrorist, fascist, indian, n#$g#$r, socialist, etc.) - insert in this area the group you hate most - minority who are more "newsworthy" because they excite more prurient interest. Or because their position better supports large corporate acquistion strategies.

It is just not possible to stir up emotion by having leaders who are "pretty nice people" or are "fairly unpleasant." To get a crowd of sheep to move they need to be polarized, either by devotion or by blind fear.

So don't take all of this too much to heart, all you non-Americans. All of this "With us or agin' us" rhetoric is more for the ears of our own sheep than for you. Most of us sheep like you just fine whether you agree with Mr. Bush or not!

Jack Heinlen
11-26-2004, 01:11 PM
I've never felt that criticism of the current administration was a blanket of hatred. I've listened, and watched. I hope that President Bush is proved right, but it isn't at all certain.

In some way, poorly understood at the moment, we are in this boat together. We don't want it this way--we imagine western egalitarianism as superior--but as events in the heart of Europe, in the Netherlands, have shown, this is a war of cultures.

What do you uphold and believe? That's what it comes to.

It's not going away, no matter what we may wish.

Russell Sova
11-27-2004, 09:38 AM
I thought people fell off the earth when they lived down there.

Captain Pre-Capsize
11-27-2004, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Russell Sova:
I thought people fell off the earth when they lived down there.Naww, it just sounds like they did sometimes. Right Wild Dingo? ;) Just kidding, of course but goodness do feel free to let us know how you really feel... tongue.gif

The above said in all good humor - seriously. It does remind me of a bumper sticker I saw: There was a peace sign and next to it the words, "Footprint of the American Chicken".

That about sums it up from "Up Above". Hope I didn't stir the pot too much.

Scott Rosen
11-27-2004, 07:40 PM
Thanks, Shane.

I don't take any of the political stuff personally. That would be silly. I figure the one or two of you who really hate me do so for what I've said or who I am, not something as silly as who's my president.

In the rare case where I don't like someone on the Forum, you can be absolutely sure that it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with who that person's president is. tongue.gif

Donn
11-27-2004, 07:55 PM
My wife is my President.