" Topside" fun

[Granville]

take a look at this one if ya dont get up above

;) web page (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012327)

[ 10-14-2005, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Granville ]

[Harry Miller]

Hey. We don't want stuff like that contaminating the bilge do we? :D

[TomF]

Yeah. Take it upstairs. ;)

[RichKrough]

what a cheap azz bastard! He won't go out and buy a wide board, Instead he glues all them little bitty sticks together, sheesh!

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Dutch, why are you such and ass. I'm no fan of Oyster down here and yea he is grumbly and a little whacked out if you prick him. But when it comes to boat building I would trust my daughter in any of his boats.

As for you Dutch you follow him around from BoatDesign.net to this forum. Why? What's your hang up?

Oh and yea what the hell makes you an expert? Where the hell is your work? Where is YOUR boat. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU :D :D :D

[ 10-14-2005, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Paul Pless]

granville = a$$hole

[TomF]

Joe and Paul,

Sure, Granville = a$$hole (=Dutch),
Also Mlke = good boatbuilder, but
this thread = poking fun (for some, at least)

t.

[Paul Pless]

this thread = poking fun (for some, at least)
Tom,

I agree, poke at each other all you like. Down here. I've called people vulgar names, and been called vulgar names, all in the bilge. If you come down here you have to give as good as you get.

I'm even cool and sometimes even enjoy being trolled by by our boy Dutch.

But, it should stay down here. There's no place for chasing someone around topside like Granville's been doing. Take for example Joe and Mike, they've been here a long time, disagree on everything down here, yet respect each other topside.

my two cents. and whole lot of others' two cents I'd wager.

Paul

[TomF]

Sure thing, Paul. Taking swipes at each other should stay down here. And like you (and Joe), I've got big-time respect for Mlke's boatbuilding skills and knowledge. I'd put my kids in one of his boats in a heartbeat. In contrast, we know less than nothing about Dutch ...

Some of us were just treating this thread as a parody ... we know whose wooden boat skills to trust. Sometimes ironic intentions don't translate in print.

[Granville]

some peoples have extremely thin skins. sheesh.

cant even ask a question without them going ballistic :confused:

and whats this about following someone to boat design joe? :confused: are you insinuating that I am alixander?

[Granville]

does any one else think that this guy is another copy of oyster in drag? ;)

crawdaddyjim50
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Member # 10733

posted 10-14-2005 12:49 PM
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What is the deal? I mean really what is bottom line.
If we are all human and as such have the ability to reason (some more than others). Why would we (the human race) try to help some people being killed and subjugated? I realise that our gov't is selective so lets not get bogged down in the minutae ok. But on the whole I do not understand why we would not want to lift up these people and help them attain basic human rights. The right to make a choice. The right to have a vote in direction and policy. The right to be equal under the law???? What I read is that we should have left him to his own devices and not bothered him (except for the odd note from the Whiners at the U.N.). The people that say we should not be doing what we are. You would rather just let them keep on dying until they run out of people to kill and then start killing someone more closely related to you. My Father and Grandfather from whom I learned to think criticly (I hope), told me to judge a man by his actions not by what he says or writes. And by that if we the people who have the means to make the killers stop do nothing then whom will you go crying to when it yours who is killed? This war may or may not have been started for the right reason(by the way the Muslims feel that this is just a continuation of the war started when the Christians and Jews were persecuting them in the earliest times). But if we do not help these and others then they will fill the ranks of the Armies that rush our shores to kill us and ours.
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[Granville]

heres another from the popsickle thread

;)


crawdaddyjim50
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Member # 10733

posted 10-14-2005 01:09 PM
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Mike, SWEEEET boat. Planking is fine by me as I woul d want my boat to last more than just one summer. Especially after all you still have to fair and sand and fill and sand and sand some more. And we all know that sanding does not add thickness. But honestly with the spacing on the ribs and the length of the hull I would have considered a total of 1 to 1 1/4" just about right. So keep biulding the boats. NICE job.

Jim not trying to win some damn speedboat contest anyway.....
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[TomF]

Get a life, Dutch. Not just another name.

[Granville]

Thats a good one tom. :D

well at least, i have never had to create another personage to buck me up on here and make me feel better about myself ;)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Granville:
and whats this about following someone to boat design joe? :confused: are you insinuating that I am alixander?Listen here ya MountainMomma, Dutch, Sandmaster,Nevel Striker, Nelson, P.O.S with no life who gets kicked off a freaking WOODENBOAT FORUM monthly :rolleyes:

I saw you in one of your Dutch incarnations stalk Oyster MIke over at BoatDesign.net and post it here. I saw you stalk me on SailingAnarchy.com What kind of looser who cant make it in Fla. had to come crawling back alcoholic dirt dung livin troll needs to spend there time STALKING WoodenBoat formites ? I mean jjjjjjjjeeasus get a freaking life or drink enough to push your wheelchair, incontinent, potted meat eating, alcoholic a$$ down a long flight of stairs.

Oh yea and ....

Fart.

:D :D :D :D

[Noah]

The stalking on Sailing Anarchy was pretty good actually...That lasted what, 9 minutes before you boys got the beat down...

[crawdaddyjim50]

So sorry tommy, I am real and I do live in DeLand on the St.Johns river. Pm me and we can trade phone #'s. Not mad at ya. you just got me wrong.

[Granville]

Actually Joe, Im startin to have a strange feeling that either you or memphis mike is "alixander" redface.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Noah:
The stalking on Sailing Anarchy was pretty good actually...That lasted what, 9 minutes before you boys got the beat down...He he see a witness :D , and I think it was 6 minutes on SA. Those guys are brutal - I love that forum smile.gif

Granville??? WHO ARE YOU?
Me NO one doubts who I am EVER! I don't NEED to post as ANYONE else but Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) :D :D :D

[ 10-14-2005, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Wild Wassa]

Wrong posting.

[ 10-14-2005, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Memphis Mike]

Oyster you've built some nice boats in your time but that one looks like it's gonna sink like a rock! :eek:

It's got me to wonderin though. I got me this case of tongue depressers. :D

[ 10-14-2005, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[Granville]

:rolleyes: why looky here, if it aint ole alixander

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Granville:
:rolleyes: why looky here, if it aint ole alixanderYour an A$$ you don't have any credibility. You have NO credibility.

Bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha

[Granville]

you may want to check in on the thread that inspired this one fat boy ;)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Granville:
you may want to check in on the thread that inspired this one fat boy ;) Fook you troll!

[Granville]

even frick and frack haved joined the fray :D

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Alixander Beck
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Member # 10912

posted 10-14-2005 09:35 AM Profile for Alixander Beck Email Alixander Beck Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I will Third Noah's as an excellent resource.

Mark, I would hesistate to use plywood for a rudder contruction. It is difficult to get a good shape to plywood without checking.
I would recommend either laminates of wood (spruce etc.) or solid board. They will produce a better shape, have better working qualities, look better and be stronger.
A layer of Glass over the rudder would be a good idea too.

Here is a link to picutres of the rudder I have just built from BearClaw Pine to a NACA 0012 section shape.

http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8975&page=2

I am also in Toronto

[Granville]

Alixander Beck
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Member # 10912

posted 10-14-2005 05:29 PM
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Mike, Please re-read my posts with patience. You will clearly see that I

ASKED if you thought it was chunky.
ASKED if you were going to break ice.
ASKED why you did not use 1/4"

I NEVER told you your materials were wrong, Insulted your boat, Insulted you, said you SHOULD use different materials.

I ASKED QUESTIONS In the hope that you would explain your design choices and I would be able to broaden my knowledge from your experienced answers. You were unable to answer my innocent and un-experienced questions with intelligence or patience.

This is what I expected of you

"I chose to use 3/4" planks because.....
"In my experience 1/4" planks are insufficient because..."
"I intend to use this boat for....."
"In my experience...."

With an intelligent answer like this I would have been able to learn something more of the boat building world and would have understood better the choices you have made. I would be able to increase my knowledge of the craft with your help.

Instead I have learned that there is no space for quesitons on this site and that the community here is closed to anything other than

"you boat looks great."

I am leaving this site becuase of the terrible experience I have had here and the awful attitudes. I will continue my Woodenboat subscription becuase it is what I love, but I will not ask the members of this community for anything any longer.

Good night.
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[Granville]

ok now. lets hear from the likes of joe about how if he was a real man, alixander would never leave this place because he loves abuse ( aka barry)

[PatCox]

This whole thing leaves me very confused. I argue with the name that posts, don't get caught up in following people from thread to thread and trying to catch out people posting under psuedonyms.

But that boat, is that for real? Or is that part of this backstory I don't understand, did someone post those pictures of that boat, attributing them to Mike, as a joke?

[Wild Dingo]

Okay!! I feel a famous long winded humongus Dingo post comin on... yes indeed been a flamin while brewing but well its time so settle back yous yobs grab a cuppa and read on!!... note to the sensitive types who cant abide lengthy posts... buggar off before yer start reading any further! tongue.gif Hint... Its as easy as pressin the back button ;)

Oft times many of us will think "phuket I dont need this shyte" and decide the time has come to buggar of and do something else with our time... oft times we come back for the information and I guess comeraderie of the forumites we have established repore with over a period of years and to look for answers to our seemingly never ending list of questions or to show what we have been doing with regards boats... it is overall a good place and its that that continues to draw us back

Sadly sometimes (albeit very rarely) Granville aka Dutch aka whatever is right on the money particularily with some of his/her/whatever short statements such as this from the thread he posts the link to

some people think they are too good for the bilge, yet they smell of it with their remarksin that comment he is correct in most others hes simply an a$$

Interestingly I have been increadibly lucky given the time Ive spent on here as I dont feel I have any problems with any other than with those who should know better making snide and unnessessary comments... which I have learnt over the years to simply try to ignore...

but thats not what its about is it? no its about learning and if such as Mike who dont post their construction process pics or elaborate on their methodology then we loose and future forumites loose...

Sometimes a question is asked by another forumite but due to the "game" being played by Granville/dutch/whatever the question is over-ridden and seemingly ignored this is sad as sometimes that question has worth and because of the stupidity and insistance of those people (ala trolls) to disrupt the information doesnt come

We all differ... On a personal note I know I will ask the same question half a dozen times over a period of months even years as when the question hits its not a matter of "ooh right I asked that 6 months 10 months 2 years ago better do a search" its more a matter post the question get the answer and do what has to be done... such was the question I asked on my "Atkins Valgerda and that pesky keel" thread in designs which was a follow on from my other thread "making a start" in building...

Now!! The following happens not only to myself but often on other threads started by others new and not so new alike Im saying this just for clarity not to "attack" or have a go at anyone in particular... I realize that I started a thread awhile back regarding that keel (at the time the thinking was using Tuart instead of Kapur) but times change things happen time moves on life and all that means gets in the way... and I personally dont save threads so I have no idea how long ago I posted that other one or the others Ive or others have started on Valgerda... so when a question comes one asks thats all one asks! My thoughts are that if you know where a given thread is or have saved its address or can search and find it (assume that the person posting cant wont or hasnt thought to search for whatever reason) then why not simply post the link and say "try here"?? instead of making an a$$ of yourself with snide comments? why do that when others are posting in an effort to assist educate discuss and in the spirit of the forum for enjoyment? It seems rather pathetic to me when its so easy to encourage and simply post a link... no its not only me that experiences that sort of thing I just dont understand some peoples seeming need to do it

However having said all that... this place still holds interest and has within it some good people... Id simply like to see more of the old guard encouraging and being helpful in an honest and friendly manner to all... and see more of the new being honest truthfull and showing some respect for what we have here...

on the web I go to exactly 3 forums thats it 3 because they are to me the best Ive found on the subjects that interest me without becoming bogged down going to 20 or 30 different forums on the same subjects Ive narrowed it down to just 3... I dont intend to leave any of those in the near future although I do intend spending ever increasing less time on this one if as I fear its becoming that one cannot ask a simple question without copin flak and stupid pathetic snide comments from people who should know better but cant resist the opportunity to run someone down...

A genuine light hearted dig is great fun and shares enjoyment all round but snide comments are unnessary and shows a total lack of respect for the person posting the people having responded prior and the magazine that has offered us this place to discuss boat building designs people and places resources all things boat and of course the bilge... simply put it shows a total lack of respect for all concerned including themself

My leaving would be a good thing or bad thing? who knows some would no doubt be happy to see my backside as I leave and never hear from me again and that okay no worries cause its those that I would enjoy never hearing from again... others well there is always email... from my perspective Id "miss" for a time a flamin lot of people here including those not named above who I hold a lot of respect for their work experience and knowledge but none for their attitudes.

I guess what Im stumbling to say is... why not try to respect each other? yes its hard but its sure worth the effort at the end of the day

Okay deep breath...

Granville/dutch/whatever... Mike has a wealth of experience and knowledge but he doesnt have the greatest grip on writing an explaination of what hes doing done or the reasons why its done the way he does it... but hes been doing it for many years now and does it well... he builds boats of wood he doesnt write a disertaion on it... what Ive found with him is that if you have questions and you come out and simply ask him without any of the bullshyte you tend to use he has no problems answering he will try with words but more so with pictures as his explaination... he can get wired from time to time when he considers someones bein an a$$ particularily when its about him his family his work or his country but that is how we all are... hes not known to rubbish anyone unless they first go him... these are typical human traits Granville/dutch/whatever even you exhibit them from time to time

As I said one can respect a person for what they do have done and or the knowledge they have and or the experiences they know and still have none for the attitudes the exhibit... one must always remember this is the internet and as such not a true absolute mirror image of what any given persona is in real life... I feel confident that with the people I personally have "issues" with or they seemingly have "issues" with me that if we were to meet in person there would no doubt be a degree of hessitancy and beware but once met a beer shared and face to face contact made I have no doubt they and I would get along like the proverbial house on fire... for here is not there and here the potential for one to be rude crass ignorant self righteous abusive whatever is open to any who so choose in life its different

Taken as a whole this place is a great cocophony of noise from a huge myriad of personas egos and experiences all screaming for attention and vying for ego stroking credibility and peer respect... individually its just a mob of fellas an sheilas talking to themselves on a computer screen... often laughing at the screan abusing the words on the screen theres moments of fury and angst moments of tears and sadness of joy and laughter... funny how it sorta in a weird way mirrors life itself in a totaly disjointed and disfunctional way

ah well such is life

whew... okay gotta buggar of and enjoy some of this brilliant weather were havin :cool:

[Rick Tyler]

I used to post to Usenet groups. Those guys crap bigger than the trolls on this forum.

- Rick

[Wild Dingo]

Thats it Rick and why I reduced it down to just 3... got sick and tired of antsy buggars with severe cases of uptheirownassitis :rolleyes:

[Granville]

Originally posted by Rick Tyler:
I used to post to Usenet groups. Those guys crap bigger than the trolls on this forum.

- Rickyou obviously never been around after a nite of potted meat, crackers and cheap beer smile.gif

[Paulyboy]

Hey, guys, I got a couple questions.
1. I just found out about the bilge area. Is anyone and anything fair game?

2.do you guys REALLY have the time to make up multiple personalities, or at least,more than one forum identity?

3. If so, why would you follow each other from forum to forum and flame each other?

4. Can't we all just get along?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Granville:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rick Tyler:
I used to post to Usenet groups. Those guys crap bigger than the trolls on this forum.

- Rickyou obviously never been around after a nite of potted meat, crackers and cheap beer smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I got a good idea what Dutch might look like after years of controlled drinking and potted meat.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid191/p40115489281c720b1632129295c04289/f1dbec30.jpg

Im looking forward to our little happy hour :D

[Wild Dingo]

Oooooooooh crap puke all over the place!! dahmnit Joeboy give a fella a flamin warnin before yer post such as that!! PLEASE young fella have pity on us ol pharts

ahem...


Originally posted by Paulyboy:
Hey, guys, I got a couple questions.
1. I just found out about the bilge area. Is anyone and anything fair game?

2.do you guys REALLY have the time to make up multiple personalities, or at least,more than one forum identity?

3. If so, why would you follow each other from forum to forum and flame each other?

4. Can't we all just get along?Okay so I'll try to answer as succint as I can Paul...

1) First I have trouble believing youve only just found the bilge!!! Amazing if true... run!! back out buggar of scoot flamin well get out before yer forever stuffed and stuck here!! tell him Joeboy!! tell him how hard it is to leave!!! gawd son get goin now!!!... ahem okay so your gonna stay aaahhh another fine upstandin young fella doomed to the bilge rat life... ah well... so anyway to the question... yes particularily the USA and the bullshyte "war on terror" Iraq politics religion dogs cats wierd Bangorites bikinis cars bikes etc etc heck weve even had exploding canaries and alternative fuel (human methane gas) boat propulsion discussions!

2) Some few do yes... most no

3) those that do do so for one reason... because they can... there is no other reason other than being an asshole to the person they choose to stalk... and they seem to garner some weird sence of pride or something by doing so to some of the nicest people... another name for them other than assholes is dipsticks wakkers or just plain idiots... most prefer to call them assholes its worldwide you see everyone knows an asshole when they see one! :D

4) yes... well other than the above assholes and some others with severe cases of uptheirownassitis or terminal cases of blowitouttheirassitis either of those will cause non respect and abuse... otherwise yes we can... most of us choose to do so some dont

So there you go questions asked and answered... no worries your welcome :cool:

But did I achieve what I set out to achieve... that is being succinct? damned if I know usually it takes me half an hour to write something this has taken ooohh all of 3 seconds so... I think I did it!! whaaaaaahooo me bein short an sweet and succinct all in one post!!! :D

[ 10-17-2005, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Granville]

does any one have a spare copy of "popsickle, take one" lying around loose? Joe?

[Granville]

and hey what the hell. at least the guys in a good mood smile.gif
some of you should take lessons from him ;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid191/p40115489281c720b1632129295c04289/f1dbec30.jpg

[Granville]

Originally posted by Granville:
does any one have a spare copy of "popsickle, take one" lying around loose? Joe?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Granville:
You play a pretty good game of 3 shells and the pea bob, but if you really want to learn something may I suggest the volume " Wood, A Manual for its use as a Shipbuilding Material", It is the definitive work. Its out of print now, but you can probably find it somewhere. The first volume is the handiest but volume 2 contains some great information as well. With it you will be able to accurately predict the radial and tangential movement of a multitude of species of lumber, of any thickness, or current moisture content. You need not be constrained by computer generated gobbledy gook if you can do some simple math.

and if you say its not sapwood, i am 110% certain its not. you are the expert ;)
Originally posted by Bob Smalser:
You should spend more time up here in fresh air where folks work for their living.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2595357/75023509.jpg

You'd know that the B&R Group asked Mr Goodchild to reprint it some time ago....he obliged....and you can buy one here quite reasonably:

http://www.dngoodchild.com/xl1_top.htm

What else you wanna get chumped on by saps today?Ohhhh man Bob just BITCH SLAPED you big time DutCh :D

BWAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA :D :D :D :D :D

OH MAN THAT WAS SOME "TOPSIDE" FUN

[Granville]

i see joe loves the sleight of hand

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/may12/bitchslap.jpg

[ 10-19-2005, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Paul Pless]

can't somebody blow this thread up with, say, a big picture of a piece of rotten cheese

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Bump

Bitch Slap :D