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12-03-2004, 04:44 PM
This from Dan on the trailor sailor BB.


Our cat is not a perfect analogy to the UN, but it is not bad.

Our cat was a skinny little stray. I thought that I could perform a good deed by adopting it. In return it could catch a few mice.

We took the cat to the vet and spent a lot more money than she is worth. The cat is now getting fat. The only thing it chases are squirrels and birds, both of which we don't want her to chase.

The cat is getting demanding. She believes that we should spend all of our waking hours and some of our sleeping hours petting and feeding her.

Now, for all practical purposes, it is impossible to get rid of her.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-03-2004, 04:54 PM
Proof that at least one more person doesn't know anything about the United Nations other than what is in the american press. :rolleyes:

12-04-2004, 10:40 AM
The UN is not going to survive another five years.
The US has had enough of it's coruption.
There is a bill before Congress right now that would have the US withdraw it's membership and funding. It might not pass but the fact the bill exists means the writing is on the wall for the UN.
There is a movement afoot to reform the association so those countrys who support the US will get together and form a new union.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 10:47 AM
That would be a rather small association. Not even Australia and Britain would join it - and the risks in pulling out of the UN were learned by the USSR in the Korean War.

Reform the UN, by all means.

12-04-2004, 10:55 AM
The new association will be an economic one and the members would ascribe to the principles of democracy. The leaders of the countries (who will be lining up to join) are pragmatists. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 11:10 AM
You mean something other than NAFTA?

12-04-2004, 11:45 AM
Andrew, I'd guess there are more than a few countries in Europe,the Middle East, Africa and Asia that wouldn't mind having an economic association with the US.
As a matter of fact why don't you reply with a list of countries that would not. NONE????????
Didn't think so.
We are all aware of your intense hatred of the US by the way. Screaming it over and over may help you 'get the day in' but for the rest of us it's getting a bit old.
Anyway, whatever.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-04-2004, 12:13 PM
You're confused JWaldin... Our dislike is less for the United States than it is for people who talk about thing they know nothing about. :D ;)

Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 12:22 PM
I'm still not getting it. If not NAFTA, but something more than the WTO, what?

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Shhh ACB it's a secret. :D

Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 12:37 PM
Must be my raving anti-Americanism getting the better of me.

Every time I come across an Ian McColgin, a Norm Messenger or any other representative of old fashioned American decency, I start to foam at the mouth and develop an hysterical urge to bite them! :D

12-04-2004, 12:40 PM
Yes, Ian, for heaven's sakes, stop your anti-American ravings! Imagine, the gall of mentioning NAFTA and WTO here. Next, you'l likely be uttering the blasphemy of the World Court in The Hague. Scandalous! :D

12-04-2004, 01:06 PM
"You're confused JWaldin... Our dislike is less for the United States than it is for people who talk about [thing] they know nothing about."

I know I'm not the only person who believes the UN has become corrupt from the top to the bottom.
Do you think the Oil For Food Program corruption scandal is actually a big lie?
There are hundreds of less known scandals the UN has been involved in over many years.
Remember the tragedy in Rwanda? The UN sat with their thumbs in their bums doing nothing while tens of thousands were hacked to pieces. Remember? Even Koffi went on TV and apologised for the UNs lack of action.

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Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 01:16 PM
Yes, but...

1. What did your Government or mine do about Rwanda? My Government was shamed by one of our diplomats into intervening in Sierra Leone, sucessfully, but everyone sat on their hands during the Rwandan massacres. Why just blame the UN?

2.Of course there have long been scandals at the UN. Some agencies have better reputations than others, but there has always been some venality around. Flouncing out of the UN is not going to change anything; a serious drive for reform, internally, might do some good.

3. Kofi Annan was the USA's preferred candidate for S-G. The USA vetoed a second term for Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

12-04-2004, 01:33 PM
I find it especially funny, in a macabre kind of way, that Americans who hate the UN and vow to never yield an ounce of soverignty or ask permission of the UN for anything, do all that and more to the WTO and NAFTA. But hey, it's economic! :rolleyes:

12-04-2004, 01:53 PM
I found this through Google. It's worth reading. It's historic fact that anyone can double/triple check.
Kofi and the UN's Scandals
The truth is leaking out, little by little. The UN has aided morally, spiritually and financially the murder of untold numbers of people. Jews, Americans, Christians, and God knows who else.

Reuter's has film of a clearly marked UN Ambulance picking up Palestinian terrorist immediately after the murder of 6 Jews in Israel. The ambulance drove up, opened its doors, the murderers piled in, the ambulance took off to deposit the murderers in safety.

The UN traded Iraq's oil for food (theoretically), but skimmed BILLIONS off the top. Many top UN officials (including Kofi's relatives) made boku bucks by stealing from the Iraqi people.

The UN paid for and condoned sex parties and the purchase of illegal drugs for use by their officials during "wild parties" at various locations.

And this is the same UN that Sen. Kerry (Presidential hopeful) holds up to the American people at the great moral example? This is the same UN that he wants us to put our lives and our children's lives in the hands of?

Scandal #1 - In a soon to be released book -- "Emergency Sex and Other Desperate Measures" (Miramax) -- by a former and two current U.N. employees, it is alleged that Annan played a significant role in the U.N.'s failure to stop the genocides in the African nations of Rwanda and Burundi in 1994.

It is believed that more than 800,000 people were slaughtered during tribal warfare in the two nations.

Kofi Annan directed the U.N.'s peacekeeping operations during the period.

The book contends that Annan personally prevented a report on the impending genocide by his field commander Gen. Romeo Dallaire (Canada) from reaching Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali and the U.N. Security Council.

The book claims: "Gen. Romeo Dallaire, the commander of U.N. troops in Rwanda sent a fax detailing imminent genocide and they (U.N.-NYC) ignored that. Kofi Annan, the head of U.N. Peacekeeping, ordered him to stand down and do nothing, other than share his information with the French, who at the time were arming their allies among the Hutu extremists, who then committed the genocide."

Less than 18 months later, Annan received critical backing from Paris to become the UN's first African secretary-general.

Scandal #2 - Corrupt use of World Bank funds may exceed $100 billion and while the institution has moved to combat the problem, more must be done, the chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee said on Thursday.

Sen. Richard Lugar, an Indiana Republican, charged that "in its starkest terms, corruption has cost the lives of uncounted individuals contending with poverty and disease."

He commended World Bank President James Wolfensohn for bringing greater attention to the issue, but said, "Corruption remains a serious problem."

Lugar opened a hearing on corruption at the multilateral development banks, the first public examination in an ongoing Senate investigation.

He cited experts who calculated that between $26 billion and $130 billion of the money lent by the World Bank for development projects since 1946 has been misused. In 2003, the bank distributed $18.5 billion in developing countries.

Jeffrey Winters, an associate professor at Northwestern University, said his research suggested corruption wasted about $100 billion of World Bank funds, and when other multilateral development banks are included, the total rises to about $200 billion.

Damian Milverton, a bank spokesman, later disputed the $100 billion estimate, insisting it had "no basis in fact."

"We completely reject the figure offered by one of the panelists as an estimate of funding from the World Bank that might have been misused," Milverton told Reuters.

Winters testified that the World Bank's anti-corruption effort was having "minimal effects" and the banks should all focus on supervising and auditing their lending.

"The lion's share of the theft of development funds occurs in the implementation of projects and the use of loan funds by client governments," he said.

Like other United Nations agencies, World Bank rules prevent staff from testifying in public so Wolfensohn was not at the hearing. But senior bank officials on Monday privately briefed lawmakers on its anti-corruption efforts, a bank spokesman said.

Carole Brookins, the U.S. executive director on the World Bank board, defended the bank saying it was leading efforts to fight corruption, but acknowledged "there is more that could be done to strengthen the system."

More than 180 companies and individuals have been blacklisted from doing business with the World Bank and their names and penalties posted on the bank's public Web site.

Between July 2003 and March 2004, it said it referred 18 cases of fraud or corruption to national justice authorities based on investigations by its anti-corruption unit.

Specific bank projects under review by the committee include the Yacyreta dam on the Argentina-Paraguay border, the Lesotho Highlands Water Project and projects in Cambodia.

Hector Morales, acting U.S. executive director to the Inter-American Development Bank, testified that his institution recently accelerated anti-corruption efforts "but still has much work to do."

Scandal #3 - The problem wasn't simply that this huge United Nations relief program for Iraq became a gala of graft, theft, fraud, palace-building and global influence-peddling--though all that was quite bad enough. The picture now emerging is that under U.N. management the Oil-for-Food program, which ran from 1996-2003, served as a cover not only for Saddam's regime to cheat the Iraqi people, but to set up a vast and intricate global network of illicit finance.

U.N.'s Oil-for-Food program was worse than simply a case of grand larceny. Given Saddam's proclivities for deceit and violence, Oil-for-Food was also a menace to security. By letting Saddam pick his own business partners and draw up his own shopping lists, by keeping the details of his contracts and accounts secret, and by then failing abjectly to supervise the process, the U.N.--through a program meant to aid the people of Iraq--enabled Saddam to line his pockets while bankrolling his pals world-wide. In return, precisely, for what? That is a question former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker might want to keep in mind as he heads up the official investigation, finally agreed to by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, into Oil-for-Food.
In tallying various leaked lists, disturbing leads and appalling exposés to date, what becomes ever more clear is that Oil-for-Food quickly became a global maze of middlemen, shell companies, fronts and shadowy connections, all blessed by the U.N. From this labyrinth, via kickbacks on underpriced oil and overpriced goods, Saddam extracted, by conservative estimates of the General Accounting Office, at least $4.4 billion in graft, plus an additional $5.7 billion on oil smuggled out of Iraq. Meanwhile, Mr. Annan's Secretariat shrugged and rang up its $1.4 billion in Iraqi oil commissions for supervising the program. Worse, the GAO notes that anywhere from $10 billion to as much as $40 billion may have been socked away in secret by Saddam's regime. The assumption so far has been that most of the illicit money flowed back to Saddam in the form of fancy goods and illicit arms.

A look at one of the secret U.N. lists of clients authorized by the U.N. to buy from Saddam is not reassuring. It includes more than 1,000 companies, scattered from Liberia to South Africa to oil-rich Russia. And though the U.N. was supposed to ensure that oil was sold to end-users at market price--thus minimizing the graft potential for Saddam and maximizing the funds for relief--there is an extraordinary confetti of clients in locations known less for their oil consumption than for their shell companies and financial secrecy.

Why on earth, for instance, did the U.N. authorize Saddam to sell oil to at least 65 companies in the financial lockbox of Switzerland. What was the logic behind approving as oil buyers at least 45 firms in Cyprus, seven in Panama and four in Liechtenstein? At the other extreme, would Mr. Annan care to explain why the U.N. authorized Saddam to sell oil to at least 70 companies in the petroleum-soaked United Arab Emirates?

In Oil-for-Food, "Every contract tells a story," says John Fawcett, a financial investigator with the New York law firm of Kreindler & Kreindler LLP, which has sued the financial sponsors of Sept. 11 on behalf of the victims and their families. In an interview, Mr. Fawcett and his colleague, Christine Negroni, run down the lists of Oil-for-Food authorized oil buyers and relief suppliers, pointing out likely terrorist connections. One authorized oil buyer, they note, was a remnant of the defunct global criminal bank, BCCI. Another was close to the Taliban while Osama bin Laden was on the rise in Afghanistan; a third was linked to a bank in the Bahamas involved in al Qaeda's financial network; a fourth had a close connection to one of Saddam's would-be nuclear-bomb makers.

Scandal #4 - But amid the current fracas over Oil-for-Food, there are other points to be made, and one of them has to do with a very small demonstration held in front of the U.N. late last month.

The demonstration had nothing to do with Iraq or Oil-for-Food. It involved some three dozen protesters who were asking the U.N. to honor its commitment to help refugees from North Korea. They held posters showing photos of starving children in North Korea, and pictures of tyrant Kim Jong Il alongside slogans such as, "Stop subsidizing this regime." One man wore a sandwich board with big lettering that said: "China! Comply With the U.N. Resolution for North Korean Refugees"--a demand that Bejing honor its obligations as a signatory to the U.N.'s Convention on Refugees, instead of sending asylum-seekers back to what can often be hideous punishment or death in North Korea.

They were protesting the most horrific surviving totalitarian regime on the planet. They were making entirely reasonable demands. They knew what they were talking about. Among their number were several defectors from North Korea, who had come to New York after testifying before Congress about horrible abuses of human rights in North Korea, alleging biological and chemical weapons experiments on prisoners in the slave-labor camps of Kim's regime. One of these defectors, Dong Chul Choi, who escaped along with his mother in the mid-1990s and has since become one of an incredibly small handful to receive asylum in the U.S., was wielding a megaphone, calling in both English and Korean a few words that deserve to echo around the world: "Free North Korea."

One might also argue that the U.N., as currently configured, places the highest premium on deference to sovereign states, regardless of what abominations a prevailing regime might commit within its own borders--so Kim's regime must have its seat within the fancy building, while those who would like to end his regime must wait on the sidewalk outside. One might further add that a much larger group of demonstrators for freedom for North Koreans, and rights for North Korean refugees, had already had their say in Washington, at a series of events organized by activist Suzanne Scholte's Defense Forum Foundation, in which the testimony to Congress served as the centerpiece.

The U.N. can point to the resolution in which its own Human Rights Commission in Geneva actually worked around to condemning Pyongyang, for the second year running (after a decade in which state-inflicted famine in North Korea has killed an estimated two million or so). Surely such measures are enough? Why should anyone at the U.N.'s New York offices bother about this small group of demonstrators, however enormous their concerns? They have no official voice, no serious lobbying presence, nothing in fact that seems to carry true weight within the mighty debates of the U.N.

Kofi Annan was at pains in his recent "Meet the Press" interview to stress that he sees the U.N. as a "unique organization," one "that can bring the whole world together." To bring the whole world together, given how the world really works, requires in too many cases the sacrifice of precisely the integrity, freedom and decency that the U.N. was meant to serve.

The U.N. was put there to listen to people like those demonstrators who last month stood unheeded on the sidewalk, not to broadcast to the world a long series of messages about its own precious image and importance.

Scandal #5 - As U.N. officials scurry to stop publication of "Emergency Sex and Other Desperate Matters" (Miramax Books) by Kenneth Cain, Heidi Postlewait and Andrew Thomson the book’s galleys have already hit the street.
NewsMax recently reviewed the galleys.

While the book centers on the "interpersonal" relationships of the three U.N. peacekeeping employees as they traverse from one hot spot where U.N. peacekeeping operations were underway, the trio details exactly how U.N. operations work.

The picture is not a flattering one.

The book starts with the 1993 United Nations in Cambodia.

There, U.N. personnel are sent to help supervise "open" elections in the embattled nation. However, it seems more than "electioneering" was going on.

Ken Cain, a Harvard law graduate, working legal affairs for the U.N., says the world body's election personnel "looks like the international jet set on vacation."

Cain describes the U.N. personnel working in Cambodia as "young and immortal and together and drunk and stupid."

Speaking of vacations, the writers tell of sex parties in "a villa" in the capital, Phnom Penh "well known for its Friday night parties," supported by U.N. field personnel where alcohol and drugs were commonly used.

A favorite drink, called the "Space Shuttle" was made. Here’s how: "by distilling a pound of marijuana over a six-week period with increasingly good quality spirits. It is a work of love and the final product is an amber-colored liquid that tastes like Cognac. We drink it with rounds of coke."

All of this was done in the open, with senior U.N. personnel doing nothing to stop it.

Another problem in Cambodia centered around the peacekeepers themselves. It is alleged that "peacekeeping troops" sent by Bulgaria were not really military personnel at all.

The authors claim the Bulgarian government, starved for hard currency after the collapse of the Soviet Union, actually cut a deal with a score of prison inmates.

The U.N. has a policy of offering monetary compensation when a member state offers troops to peacekeeping operations. Some of the poorer nations see the U.N. policy as means to generate badly needed foreign aid.

Hence, troops become a cash crop.

In Bulgaria's case, the book alleges that prison convicts were promised "pardons" if they accepted the U.N. assignment.

"The Bulgarian government wanted the money, but didn't want to send their best trained troops. So, the story goes, they offered inmates in the prisons and psychiatric wards a deal: put on a uniform and go to Cambodia for six months, you're free on return."

Scores of criminals took the offer, given military uniforms and sent to become U.N. Blue Helmets.

Ken Cain claims the Bulgarian Blue Helmets were "hated" by everyone in Cambodia. He continues by describing them as: "A battalion of criminal lunatics (who) arrive in a lawless land. They're drunk as sailors, rape vulnerable Cambodian women and crash their U.N. Land Cruisers with remarkable frequency."

Officially, the U.N. was in Cambodia to supervise the first "open and free" elections.

Unofficially, the authors contend that the U.N. was doing all it could to make sure the existing governing power, a Vietnamese installed puppet regime, did not maintain its grip on the nation.

Andy Thomson, the medical doctor among the U.N. trio, speaks about going into a Cambodian prison in the capital with orders to get the sick inmates up and going as quick as possible.

Was this a concerted effort to stop some plague, to nurse the sick back to health? Nope. Thomson says it was simply to get the sick on their feet long enough to vote in the Cambodian election.

"U.N. lawyers have decided that inmates will be permitted to vote in the election, but an outbreak of a disease no one seems to be able to identify (later found to be Beri Beri) is wiping them out."

Thomson speaks about the sick leaving the prison proudly carrying their "voter registration cards."

Somalia and Haiti

It is mid-1993 and the intrepid U.N. trio have split for assignments in Somalia and Haiti.

Somalia, a decrepit east-African nation is in the midst of a multi- factional civil war.

Haiti is disintegrating.

In 1990, Jean-Bertrand Aristide became the county's first elected president. A year later, Arisitide is overthrown in a coup by a military-junta.

The embattled president then takes up exile in the United States where, with the help of the Clinton administration, he plans his eventual return.

In Somalia, the U.N. is called upon to provide "humanitarian relief," while in Haiti, the world body sends in a "human rights observer mission" to document "torture and execution of pro-Aristide civilians, in order to pressure General Cedras (the coup leader) from power."

The Somali effort ends in collapse.

Roller-coaster Ride

In Haiti, it is a roller-coaster ride, culminating in a massive U.S. military invasion (1994), which returned Aristide to power at gun point.

Arriving in Somalia, Ken Cain talks about meeting a "U.S. special forces guy" at Mogadishu (Somalia's capital) airport who explains:

"If you liked Beirut, you'll love Mogadishu."

The U.N.'s efforts in Somalia have been widely viewed by historians as a low point in the organization's history.

Former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright often referred to the east African state as perfect example of a "failed nation-state."

At the U.N., its Somali efforts are often remembered by a spectacular robbery from its Mogadishu center.

In broad daylight, a safe containing more than $3.5 mil. in cash (to finance local operations) disappeared without a trace. Despite an intensive investigation by the U.N., with the assistance of Scotland Yard, the robbers were never found.

For the U.S., the Somali campaign is best remembered by the Black Hawk down incident. U.S. Special Forces lost 18 men in attempt to hunt down the infamous warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid. Several of the murdered U.S. soldiers had their body's beaten and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu.

Meanwhile, Cain, who is later joined by Postlewait, find themselves in the center of an active war zone, which they both express regrets of signing up for.

The U.N. effort is often portrayed as disorganized and corrupt.

It is no better in Haiti:

Andy Thomson, is sent by the U.N. to investigate human rights violations under the military junta of Genl Raoul Cedras.

"Here, beneath the routine bustle, something is dangerous and disconcerting. Something I can't put my finger on."

Only after a month in the country, Thomson complains, "I'm already enraged, not by the work, but being unable to work. My patients are all either headless and rotting or alive and rotting, out of reach behind prison walls."

The doctor continues, "The macoutes (gangsters) torture and we write reports and nothing changes. We're very busy and very useless."

In order to gain access to a notorious Haitian prison, where numerous prisoners are believed to be wasting away, Thomson says he decided to move on his own:

"Whatever it takes to get inside is fine with me. Condoms for the Colonel (the prison warden), antibiotics for his men-we all have our price. At least its healthier than the cigarettes we used to toss out the window to get through checkpoints in Cambodia."

When questioned about the criticisms levelled against the United Nations by the authors, David Wimhusrt, a spokesman for peacekeeping operations explained:

"The book is not an analysis of peacekeeping operations. Most of the allegations are old news and not supported by any evidence. As such, we have no comment."

Speaking of old news, the record will show that a familiar personality directed U.N. peacekeeping operations during several of the years sited in the book, Kofi Annan.

One diplomat on the Security Council concerned about the authors' allegations, confided, "I will read the book and I will be sure to ask questions."

The UN has supported despots, criminals, thugs, dictators and murderers for many years. Why do we continue to support the UN with 25% of their annual operating budget? So they can vote against the US at every turn? It is nothing more a den of spies and liars.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
12-04-2004, 01:58 PM
I found this through Google. It's worth reading. It's historic fact that anyone can double/triple check.
We could start here:

Reuter's has film of a clearly marked UN Ambulance picking up Palestinian terrorist immediately after the murder of 6 Jews in Israel. The ambulance drove up, opened its doors, the murderers piled in, the ambulance took off to deposit the murderers in safety I think you will find that the Government of Israel withdrew that allegation some time ago.

12-04-2004, 02:00 PM
Dear old Boutros Boutros Ghali. Anyone can find out about this creep. Here's a small sample found on Google.
There are no less than eleven pages on Google with 'Boutros Ghali' and 'UN scandal' in the same line. Never a good sign.

"First came the shock that United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan’s son, Kojo was connected to the ill-fated program. According to the New York Post On-Line edition, family members of former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali are officers of a Panamanian-registered company in which Benon Sevan, a UN assistant Secretary General, appointed to administer the oil-for-food program, had a connection.

The Post said it got its information about the Boutros-Ghali connection from Claude Hankes-Drielsma, a British businessman and advisor to the Iraqi governing council.

Claude Hankes-Drielsma is the man who retained the accounting firm KMPG to audit the UN Oil for Food program which was key to forcing Annan to agree to first an internal and then an independent inquiry on the program.
Just weeks ago, Boutros-Ghali was awarded the prestigious Order of Canada. Only nine foreigners have been so honoured, and even as the former UN Secretary General was receiving the award, some Canadian officials were calling it "strange" because the Rwandan genocide happened under his watch as UN Secretary General.
Remember Romeo Dallaire?
It was under Boutros-Ghali’s direction that the UN 420-page Our Global Neighbourhood, which produced the blueprint for global governance, was published.

When Boutros-Ghali left the UN, he went on to head the Francophonie, the organization of French-speaking nations."

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