cocaine

[brad9798]

Seem to be round many folks doing it this afternoon/evening ... kind of scares me ...

Why is it that VERY successful business folks I know have to do this crap?

I am, eveidently, simply an outsider ...

Other opinions?

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[ 09-03-2005, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: brad9798 ]

[huisjen]

You could ask Dubya.

Dan

[brad9798]

I aint' interested in a 30-year-old perspective ... grow up, Dan. :rolleyes:

[huisjen]

:D :D :D

[Phillip Allen]

Cocaine is for posturing...like Hummers. There are always people who paint on their identities from the outside because there is no one on the inside...(it’s a personal choice…big on the outside and small on the inside or small on the outside and big on the inside…choose)

[LeeG]

Brad,,seriously there are still folks snorting coke?
what's the demographic?

[brad9798]

AGREED, Phillip. I appreciate the response ...

Leeg- 550k+ business owners ... THAT'S the demographic!!!

[brad9798]

VERY frightening!

These guys (and gals) are thinking there are police in the marina looking for them ... like kids ... WOW! OBVIOUSLY, paranoia is a by-product! :eek: :(

[Gary E]

You should call the cops on them, maybe a stint in the jail along with the common drugies would do them some good, might even save their life..

[glenallen]

You said it, Phillip. Our culture puts a high value on posturing, facade, and rhetoric. Fast talkers are impressive, regardless their words. Cocaine inspires fast talk and bloated egos....till the supply runs out.
:( Glen

[Jim Hillman]

Let's see, it was real popular in the late 70's & early 80's in HS. I'm guessing these people are in their late 30's or early 40's. Bad stuff, the habit starts small and builds till they're snorting their paycheck. I wouldn't do business with any cokehead.

Cocaine Blues - Johnny Cash

Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head
Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I run too slow they overtook me down in Juarez Mexico
Late in the hot joints takin' the pills in walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill
He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown
You're the dirty heck that shot your woman down
Said yes oh yes my name is Willy Lee if you've got the warrant just aread it to me
Shot her down because she made me sore
I thought I was her daddy but she had five more
When I was arrested I was dressed in black
They put me on a train and they took me back
Had no friend for to go my bail they slapped my dried up carcass in that country jail
Early next mornin' bout a half past nine I spied the sheriff coming down the line
Ah and he coughed as he cleared his throat
He said come on you dirty heck into that district court
Into the courtroom my trial began where I was handled by twelve honest men
Just before the jury started out I saw the little judge commence to look about
In about five minutes in walked the man holding the verdict in his right hand
The verdict read in the first degree I hollered Lowdy Lowdy have a mercy on me
The judge he smiled as he picked up his ben 99 years in the Folsom pen
99 years underneath that ground I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down
Come on you've gotta listen unto me lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be.

[ 09-03-2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Jim Hillman ]

[brad9798]

Agreed, Jim!

However, coke was around before the 1970's ... and has never gone away!

Yes, they are 40-ish folks ... :(

[Meerkat]

Was this coke (snorting) or crack (smoking)? Crack is a LOT more evil than coke, although it's a matter of degree: they're both quite extremely nasty! :eek:

[LeeG]

wow,,no way Gary, it's their fun, $150 bottles of wine, expensive cigars and scotch,coke, fancy boats,,,nothing wrong with youthful indiscretions.

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Gary E:
You should call the cops on them, maybe a stint in the jail along with the common drugies would do them some good, might even save their life..If only it was that easy.

[Gary E]

Well... if ya cant do that then maybe a little white powder in their gas tank would keep them tied to the dock...

[ 09-03-2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Gary E ]

[Del Lansing]

Why is it that VERY successful business folks I know have to do this crap?
They are the only ones that can afford it?

Original Cocaine Blues-David VanRonk

"Cocaine is for horses, not for men;
they tell me it will kill me,
But they won't say when.
Cocaine,
run all 'round my brain."

[ishmael]

Watcha doin' at a cocaine party, anyhoo? Do rich folks still do that silly, awful stuff with regularity? I figured they did.

I can't imagine having fun with such folks while not indulging. A bunch of yakkers, saying not much and feeling overly friendly.

Coca leaf is legal in parts of SA. It was used by runners in the Andes as a stimulant for centuries, but the refined versions are far from benign.

I wouldn't turn friends in, but would stay away until they quit.

[Paul Pless]

the last line of Champagne and Reefer , by Muddy Waters:

'bring me champagne when I'm thirsty and reefer when I wants to gets high, but don't you bring me rounds no cocaine.

[Paul Pless]

"cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money" - Robin Williams :D

personally I've never really understood what the buzz was all about with cocaine, I just like the way it smells :D

[brad9798]

Uh, I've left ... kind of a puss, I am, I guess!

YES- a bit surprised, and taken aback.

They've all left my boat now ... time for me to sleep! Well, in a bit, anyway. Gonna watch a DVD first ... or at least part of it.

:cool:

[Phillip Allen]

Ya better clean the heck outa that boat and don't allow no dogs aboard or it'll be auctioned off

[brad9798]

No body gonna bother my boat ... :cool:

When your down on your luck, and you've had enough ... cocaine ...

What a terrible thing- wathcing adults ... in about 15 minutes turn into paranoid schizo's ... :(

[ishmael]

So you hosted the party, on your boat?

Find some different friends. I know, things happen.

I wouldn't be talking about this on a public forum. Don't know about now, but cash-poor local sheriff's offices used to snatch up those kinda assets in a NY minute. All perfectly legal.

[brad9798]

And they STILL do, Ish ... but it was not on my boat. thank GOODNESS!

Like I said ... I was taken aback ...

:(

[Meerkat]

You should call a friend... ;) tongue.gif smile.gif

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Hahahahahahahhaahahahha... This is the funniest thread on here yet. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[ 09-04-2005, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm Jardine ]

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

"There's no happy ending to cocaine. You either die, you go to jail, or else you run out."
~Sam Kinison~

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by glenallen:
You said it, Phillip. Our culture puts a high value on posturing, facade, and rhetoric. Fast talkers are impressive, regardless their words. Cocaine inspires fast talk and bloated egos....till the supply runs out.
:( GlenSounds like what some of you think of me and I don't use ANY drugs, so the supply will never run out :D

I read an article a while ago about a very wealthy CEO who was a functioning alcoholic. He was in NYC for business one night met a girl in a bar went back to his hotel and she introduced him to Crack cocaine. With in TWO years he lost everything and was living in a halfway house a shell of a man. He said after his first hit of crack that was it he knew it was the end, he was powerless. Scary ****e, stay away from those people. As a matter of fact if it were me I think I would have had enough fast talking and bloated ego to tell your friends what I think about how silly and dangerous their behavior was and then promptly left, with my bloated ego intact :D

[Tristan]

When I was a prison psychologist I dealt with addicts of all sorts. One thing that stuck in my mind was how many said that cocaine was the most addicting drug of all. I remeber one guy in particular who commented that, before he was arrested, if he knew someone had cocaine he'd have no qualms about using his gun to take it away from them.

[Phillip Allen]

Originally posted by ishmael:
So you hosted the party, on your boat?

Find some different friends. I know, things happen.

I wouldn't be talking about this on a public forum. Don't know about now, but cash-poor local sheriff's offices used to snatch up those kinda assets in a NY minute. All perfectly legal.Ya know...this is all the "proof" I need to convince me that law enforcement is much more interested in advantage and money/power than truth...

[glenallen]

My favorite Richard Pryor routine from his addiction days:

Pryor and a friend are in his house when the friend says, "Hey, Richard, a semi-truck full of cocaine just pulled up out front."
Pryor says, "Just one?"

[joejapan]

Tristan, now I understand why it seems you're wise beyond even your considerable years.

[Paul Pless]

Steven Tyler of Aerosmith on his bankruptcy in the early 1980s "See this nose, half of Peru went up this nostril".

btw, I think Aerosmith was much better when they were all active addicts. New Aerosmith just plain sucks. Sorry, had to get that out there.

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by glenallen:
My favorite Richard Pryor routine from his addiction days:

Pryor and a friend are in his house when the friend says, "Hey, Richard, a semi-truck full of cocaine just pulled up out front."
Pryor says, "Just one?"He later went on to found the Ignited Negro College Fund... ;) :D

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Tristan:
When I was a prison psychologist I dealt with addicts of all sorts. One thing that stuck in my mind was how many said that cocaine was the most addicting drug of all. I remeber one guy in particular who commented that, before he was arrested, if he knew someone had cocaine he'd have no qualms about using his gun to take it away from them.Yet, I have personal knowledge of people who have just decided to stop coking up - and did, without backsliding. They're having more trouble with cigarettes.

[Tristan]

Originally posted by joejapan:
Tristan, now I understand why it seems you're wise beyond even your considerable years.Oh I wish!

[Tristan]

Originally posted by Paul Pless:
Steven Tyler of Aerosmith on his bankruptcy in the early 1980s "See this nose, half of Peru went up this nostril".

btw, I think Aerosmith was much better when they were all active addicts. New Aerosmith just plain sucks. Sorry, had to get that out there.Steven Tyler's uncle, Bob Talerico (sp?) used to teach statistics at the University of Miami. Tyler changed his name from Talerico, nice Italian /American boy. Bob said when nephew Steven first became rock star he paid more in Income Tax than Bob ever earned in a year at the UM.

[Chris Coose]

Having once been quite attached to a free-base pipe and now working with people who have addiction to it and are looking to get clean from it, I guess I'd probably have a lot to say if I were in a counseling setting with you, as an affected person.
Here on the forum I'm not at work so I'll go directly to advice. Stay as far away from these guys as you can. Everything about their use, abuse or addiction is dangerous not only to themselves but everybody casually or closely associated to them.

[LeeG]

but,but,but,,,they have nice cars and boats,,and maybe they're good for networking business interests. It's not like they're hoodlums from the bad part of town. It's ok,,they got money!

[jack grebe]

sad but true in many eyes

[brad9798]

Online now ... but still no phone service ... ugh! Long Story.

Anyway, agreed, Chris--thanks for a legit post on a very serious subject--one, until a couple of days back, I had no experience in!

And, leegee, you are an asshole of the highest sort ... I sense a bit of jealously! ;)

Hey, pal, I can make a TON of CASH without folks like that ... I don't need them, and have made that clear.

Unlike you, I can make jack off of normal folks! tongue.gif I have my own nice boat ... and all the cars I need ... or could want!

Sorry to burst your bubble, clown.

[George.]

In my day, I "did" many "things" - but not coke.

I dont' know why - I am naturally high-strung - always thought nose candy would make me unbearable, even to myself. Weed made me mellow, alcohol made me sleep, psychotropics (so many, so little time) made me understand reality and see colours, but even caffeine makes me hate my waking moments, and wish I could relax - so no coke for me.

I once chewed coca leaves for a long day, hiking in a Colombian trail, returning to civilization from a remote research station - to make a long story short, I realized that that stuff is nasty, will make you hurt yourself without realizing it. And it wasn't even refined!

But I am sure some here have done it. What's it like? Why is it so addictive, beyond the chemicals?

[LeeG]

Originally posted by brad9798:
Seem to be round many folks doing it this afternoon/evening ... kind of scares me ...

Why is it that VERY successful business folks I know have to do this crap?

I am, eveidently, simply an outsider ...

Other opinions?

(edited 4 spelling)jeez, you asked for opinions. VERY successful business folks recreate with expensive toys or drugs,, BECAUSE THEY CAN. Some do without deleterious consequences,,,some don't. Just as not so successful folks, kids, homemakers do with less expensive recreational drugs like Budweiser or Nyquil.

But you have shown your disdain so you are among those who have chosen to not indulge.

Good for you.

[brad9798]

Okay, leeg, I apologize ... YES- I am a bit sensitive ... about that topic anyway.

I was taken WAY aback ... like I said.

I've seen a lot, but evidently not the drug world with folks that literally run companies ... and emply (collectively, thousands of folks!)

THAT scares the hell out of me ... thus, my initial post.

Thanks for a decent response when I flew off the handle, leeg!

:cool:

[ishmael]

The best advice, which, HA HEM, I was the first to offer, LOL, is stay away from these people. Maybe forever. If some are good friends, be straight with them, you're uncomfortable with their drug use and until they stop you don't want to be with them. Offer help, if so inclined, but stay away from them.

Heartache and tears follow in this train; you don't want to be shoveling coal.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Brad I say invite them all over for a movie night at your house and play "The Boost"
http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/78/210778_thumb.jpg

About high flying couple who crashes and burns with the help of a lot of blow. It's the kind of thing I would do but ya have to have the gronicals to pull it off :D

OH and while I'm talking gronicals, Brad, there are parts of you I like and enjoy on this forum but one part is a little off putting. You place way to much self worth in YOUR self worth, folla? I have been on the high and the low end of the financial spectrum, currently crawling my way back up. I now deal with some extraordinary wealthy people none of which promote there income as you do. If that was not so bad you put people down using your wealth as if a checkbook gives you the right to talk down to people. Thats just poor taste and dare I say very Nouveau rich of you.

Whew OK glad I got that out, I feel better ;)
Carry on :D

[brad9798]

AGREED, Joe.

YES- I get a bit over zealous about business, etc.

Like I've said before, I get REALLY defensive about two things: my family and my companies ...

I KNOW I come off as an a-hole sometimes ... but I am/was only trying to make a point.

ONE THING that no one can complain about (and my investors love)-I am HIGHLY passionate about my companies.

Can't help it!

Thanks again!

Brad

:cool:

[brad9798]

Oh, I missed this part ...

Actually, not nouveau ... I had BIG shoes to fill.

I'm just a bit more ob and outgoing than pops and grandpa!

More opinionated, I guess you could say.

Actually, I guess I am nouveau ... as despite my upbringing, I was ALWAYS expected to earn my own way ... which I have done.

smile.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

From one HIGHLY passionate business man to another I understand. But never forget compassion and humility are the cornerstones of graceful businessman. One that can glide in and out of all sort of deals effortlessly.

Small case in point I have a high end art dealer client. Townhouse in NYC, Apt in Paris condo in Palm Beach. Nice guy but of a certain status and need to be approached as such. I have a property a multi million dollar Greek revival river view estate. The customer wanted to see the house this morning, Labor day. The care taker of the estate told me yesterday that he had the day off. But because I had always treated him with respect and courteousness he would arrange with the home owner to allow me into the estate. I showed up at this grand estate with my client in the middle of a small party.

This could have been an awkward moment. But I handled the wealthy homeowner and the wealthy customer with kid gloves and introductions were made and pleasantries abounded. With the help of the caretakers preparing everything it all went off smoothly. In the end my customer made an offer on the estate.

Smooth. ;)

If I had talked down to the very nice caretaker I guarantee it would not have gone so well.

Now to be honest is was a low ball offer but I hope to get him up to an appropriate price. ;) That would be very smooth :D

[ 09-05-2005, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by brad9798:

I KNOW I come off as an a-hole sometimes ...

Brad

:cool: Nah, not in my book. A bit (ok, a LOT) over the top at times, but I never thought you didn't care. A-holes don't care about anything/anyone but themselves. You always leave a little room (sometimes VERY little) for the other guy's opinion and recognize we're all on this earth together. Sometimes you seem a little shy to admit it though... ;)

[brad9798]

Yes, you know me pretty well, Meerkat.

I appreciate that.

It's easy for me to get carried away on the forum ... as it is for most around here.

I've decided to be WAY LESS 'over the top' and less obnoxious after this thread ...

It really does give off the wrong impression of me ... redface.gif

And it is very shallow at best.

[ 09-06-2005, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: brad9798 ]

[Meerkat]

Oh goody - the check is in the mail? ;) :D

[George.]

I've often mentioned you as an example when I wrote that not ALL conservatives are deluded idiots, Brad. smile.gif :D

[Meerkat]

Gee Brad, how many of us are you paying? ;) :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I for one know brad is a cool guy I just wanted to give him a little razz. Mostly because I know like most of us he is in real life a much better and less self centered than how he post's here.

[Meerkat]

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