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km gresham
09-23-2004, 06:39 AM
Time line of forgeries - who knew about the documents and when. When perpetrating a fraud its imperative to have each and every little duck in a row. Had CBS not had the forged documents they would not have had a story. They HAD to have documents and somebody made sure they got them.

GOP Chairman Says Dems, CBS Coordinated Bush Attack
By Robert B. Bluey
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
September 23, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - The chairman of the Republican National Committee suggested Wednesday that John Kerry's presidential campaign and CBS News were in cahoots to derail President Bush's re-election effort prior to the network's now infamous "60 Minutes" broadcast of Sept. 8. A segment on that program, anchored by Dan Rather, sought to stain the president's National Guard service with memos that have since been discredited.

"This obviously was an effort to elect Senator Kerry and defeat President Bush," said Ed Gillespie, the GOP chairman. "The news report we now know is discredited, although it's not been retracted. The centerpiece of the Kerry campaign's character-based critique ... is based on these forged documents."

Republicans have pounced on Monday's revelation that CBS News producer Mary Mapes used her influence with Kerry communication adviser Joe Lockhart to advance the story. Mapes asked Lockhart to call former Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, the source of the discredited documents, even before the "60 Minutes" segment aired.

Burkett's history with the Kerry campaign and Democratic National Committee also includes phone conversations with former Georgia U.S. senator Max Cleland and former Vermont governor Howard Dean, both of whom are campaigning on Kerry's behalf.

But Mapes' phone conversation with Lockhart, which took place Sept. 4, remains the GOP's alleged smoking gun to connect Kerry to the CBS story. Lockhart proceeded to call Burkett on Sept. 5, although he has insisted they didn't discuss the discredited documents.

In a conference call with reporters Wednesday, Gillespie outlined what he said resembled a coordinated effort by Kerry's campaign to attack Bush on the issue of his National Guard service leading up to and following the Sept. 8 broadcast on CBS. Gillespie's timeline is as follows:

* Sept. 2: Shortly after Bush concluded his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, Kerry staged a campaign event at which he attacked Bush and Vice President Cheney for avoiding Vietnam.

* Sept. 4: Mapes contacted Lockhart on Burkett's behalf.

* Sept. 5: Lockhart and Burkett spoke for three or four minutes on the phone about Kerry's poor response to the charges from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, according to Lockhart.

* Sept. 6: Communications specialist Howard Wolfson, a former chief of staff to Hillary Clinton, was dispatched to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to work on a project nicknamed "Operation Fortunate Son," which accused Bush of receiving preferential treatment in the Texas Air National Guard.

* Sept. 7: The DNC's communications director, Jano Cabrera, issued a press release calling on Bush to release all of his National Guard records.

* Sept. 8: Prior to the "60 Minutes" broadcast that evening, a group called Texans for Truth -headed by veteran Democrat operative Glenn Smith - announced a $100,000 advertising campaign questioning Bush's service in the Guard.

* Sept. 8: Terry McAuliffe, the DNC's chairman, accused Bush of misleading the country about his Guard service.

* Sept. 8: Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill and Sen. Ted Kennedy, a close Kerry confidant, were among the first people to congratulate former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes for appearing in the "60 Minutes" segment featuring the discredited documents.

* Sept. 9: Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin was recruited by the DNC to lead a press conference at party headquarters where he cited the discredited documents as proof that Bush received favoritism.

* Sept. 9: The DNC posted a webpage titled "Bush Lies," which referenced the discredited documents and the "60 Minutes" segment. (The webpage remained online until Tuesday, after CNSNews.com reported its existence.)

Even though typographers, document experts and military veterans had serious questions about the documents almost immediately after the Sept. 8 broadcast and CNSNews.com soon published the first news account of the problems surrounding the documents, Democrats continued to stand by the discredited documents, officially launching their "Operation Fortunate Son" effort on Sept. 14.

"Did the Kerry campaign know about the existence of the documents in question in advance of the CBS report? A chronology of events indicates they did," Gillespie said Wednesday.

The charges were immediately refuted by Wolfson, who dismissed Gillespie's charges of a "vast left-wing conspiracy" between the DNC and CBS News.

"No conspiracy is necessary to make clear that the president used strings to get into the Guard, missed his required physical, and failed to fulfill his duty," Wolfson said. "The only outstanding questions here will be answered when the president steps forward, stops hiding behind spokespeople and comes clean with the American people about his service."

When asked if Kerry's surrogates and the DNC had carried their attacks too far, Gillespie said he wouldn't demand an apology in light of the CBS admission but he suggested Harkin and others might retract their statements.

"Whether they apologize is up to them," Gillespie said. "It's their own personal conscience. As a matter of public record, they should acknowledge they were wrong."

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09-23-2004, 06:56 AM
Karen,,why hasn't anyone spent the time to find the source of the Niger/yellowcake forgeries?

How about something a little more important like the generation of misinformation hyping "WMD IN IRAQ"?

How about how the latest DCI?

Joe (SoCal)
09-23-2004, 07:00 AM
Bush Attacks Kerry While Cozying Up To Dictators

President Bush earlier this week attacked his opponent, saying "It's hard to imagine a candidate running for President prefers the stability of a dictatorship to the hope and security of democracy."1 Yet, it is President Bush who regularly declares his personal friendship and gratitude to some of the world's most oppressive dictators, often wining and dining them at his ranch in Texas.

In June of 2004, Bush referred to the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia as "my friend,"2 even though the Saudi Arabian government has been investigated for its financial ties to the 9/11 terrorists3 and is listed by the U.S. State Department as one of the world's most oppressive regimes on the planet.4

In April, he referred to the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak as "my friend" and welcomed him to the Crawford ranch by saying "I always look forward to visiting with him."5 Bush gave this praise to a dictator, even though Human Rights Watch notes that government "torture in Egypt is widespread and systemic"6 and the State Department says Mubarak has passed a Constitution in which the electorate is barred from being "presented with a choice among competing presidential candidates."7

In 2002, it was Bush who said "I want to welcome the President of China to our ranch, and to Texas."8 Bush was inviting into his home a dictator who, according to the U.S. State Department, presides over a government that regularly engages in the "arbitrary or unlawful" murder of its own citizens, kidnappings of political dissidents, and repression of religious minorities.9


"President's Remarks at Victory 2004 Rally in New York City," The White House, 9/20/04.

"President Bush Holds Press Conference Following the G8 Summit," The White House, 6/10/04.

"Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say," Truthout.org, 8/02/03.

"Saudi Arabia: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2003," U.S. Department of State, 2/25/04.

"President Bush, Egyptian President Mubarak Meet with Reporters," The White House, 4/12/04.

"Egypt: Human Rights Background," Human Rights Watch, 10/2001.

"Egypt: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2003," U.S. Department of State, 2/25/04.

"President Bush, Chinese President Jiang Zemin Discuss Iraq, N. Korea," The White House, 10/25/02.

"China: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2003," U.S. Department of State, 2/25/04.

09-23-2004, 07:02 AM
Maybe we need to pray more for W?

09-23-2004, 07:06 AM
trust but verify
fool me once shame on you,
fool me again and I'll get Rove on you.

km gresham
09-23-2004, 07:44 AM


km gresham
09-23-2004, 08:13 AM
Kerry's Big Lead Among Voters Under 30
mtv.com ^ | 09.21.2004 | Peter Olasky

Younger voters think the country is heading in the wrong direction and that President Bush does not share their priorities, but they like Bush personally and are unsure about John Kerry.

Overall, Kerry has a substantial lead among voters under thirty, a reversal of the Bush's nine-point advantage among all registered voters. In a head-to-head contest, Kerry is leading Bush by 10 points (51-41), and in a contest that includes Ralph Nader, Kerry is ahead by 6 (46-40-4).

Reminds me - if you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old you have no brain.

Something like that.

09-23-2004, 08:22 AM

Karen,,what's more important,,bogus forgeries supporting the reality that GW got preferential treatment entering the TANG 30yrs ago or that GW used hyped forgeries for pre-emptive war?

think about it for awhile.

km gresham
09-23-2004, 11:07 AM
Loose cannons undermining Kerry

September 23, 2004


High-level Democrats, including some inside the Kerry campaign, were appalled by this week's political sideshow. Just as John Kerry began finding his voice on Iraq, he was in danger of being drowned out by Democratic operatives Joe Lockhart and Terry McAuliffe. But the Democratic presidential candidate had only himself to blame.

Democratic critics can hardly comprehend that Lockhart, President Bill Clinton's spokesman who was recently taken aboard the campaign by Sen. Kerry, telephoned a notorious Bush-bashing eccentric who was CBS's source of the discredited documents. They also are unhappy that McAuliffe, the Clinton-selected Democratic National Committee chairman, has launched an advertising campaign attacking President Bush's National Guard record.

The complaints are not limited to specific cases. One party activist with a nationally familiar name calls Lockhart and McAuliffe ''attack dogs'' who go beyond the facts and get Kerry off message. But the nominee brought Lockhart into the campaign and could, with a single telephone call, suppress McAuliffe's Bush-bashing. This is Kerry's campaign, and he is responsible for these distractions from his new focus on Iraq.

It is hard to believe that so experienced a political operative as Lockhart followed a CBS producer's suggestion to telephone retired National Guardsman Bill Burkett, whose claims of evidence to destroy Bush were rejected by Al Gore's campaign in 2000. (Both Lockhart and Burkett say the documents were not even discussed during their brief conversation.) Lockhart was added to the Kerry campaign team because he is renowned as a smart political insider who knows everything. Anyone vaguely familiar with politicians was aware of Burkett's unstable background, but Lockhart told CNN interviewer Bill Hemmer Tuesday: ''I didn't know who the guy was.''

When Kerry clinched the presidential nomination, nobody expected Lockhart to be setting the tone for the senator's general election campaign. Even more unexpected is McAuliffe running an independent TV campaign. A much-criticized Washington wheeler-dealer, McAuliffe was imposed as chairman by Bill and Hillary Clinton on reluctant DNC members after the 2000 election. In March, Kerry staffers whispered that McAuliffe probably would not complete the year in the chairmanship and certainly would not be speaking out any longer.

They were wrong on both counts. McAuliffe not only stayed at the DNC but has been one of the party's most visible talkers. His implication that Bush senior adviser Karl Rove gave the disputed documents to CBS provided the distinctive McAuliffe touch. Shortly after ''60 Minutes'' used questionable documents in assailing the Bush service, McAuliffe and the DNC put out a TV ad (''Fortunate Son'') repeating the gist of the CBS program. The Kerry campaign was alerted in advance to these ads.

The National Guard question distracts the public from tuning in to Kerry's concentration on Iraq as the one issue capable of erasing Bush's lead. Kerry's speech Monday at New York University was stylistically the campaign's best, though his four-point program sounded Bush-like and left his excited partisan audience on a downer.

Even without self-imposed distractions, Iraq does not offer an easy path into the Oval Office. The president's strategists were delighted that Kerry said ''we have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure'' -- suggesting the United States is worse off with Saddam Hussein out of power. It is probably too late for Kerry to change his stance by promising early troop withdrawal -- a step risking all on one dice roll.

Nevertheless, it is difficult to exaggerate the Democratic dismay over Lockhart and McAuliffe. In talking to a variety of Democrats who seldom agree with each other, I was surprised by the unanimous concern over the distractions. John Kerry might be advised to bring order to his own campaign as he tries to pin the torment of Iraq on George W. Bush.

km gresham
09-23-2004, 11:37 AM
I suspect that if Kerry loses, these clintonites will be blamed by many in the democrat party. They look like the Keystone Cops.

Kev Smyth
09-23-2004, 11:54 AM
Never forget what this race is really all about; Hillary's chances in '08. :D She and her goons will, if necessary, ensure at the last minute that Kerry fails.

And Dan!?- say good-bye! :eek: :D

imported_Steven Bauer
09-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Bush on 9/13/2001: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

Bush on 3/13/2002: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

09-24-2004, 04:58 AM
W is starting to close the gap on Kerry in Maine.


09-24-2004, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Kev Smyth:
Never forget what this race is really all about; Hillary's chances in '08. :D She and her goons will, if necessary, ensure at the last minute that Kerry fails.

And Dan!?- say good-bye! :eek: :D The election is about many things,,least of which is cute graemlins, political goons, commentators or records from 35yrs ago.

It does involve Iraq,,and the judgement of the president and his mentors who started the war.

Judgement. Conkevsmyth, when someone makes decisions based on erroneous assumptions what do you call that? Resolute,,or poor judgement? If you've got a contractor building an addition where there are many changes based on the contractors erroneous assumptions,,and you pay for it,,will you shop around for another contractor for another job next year or stick with the same one?

htt p://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/14/wirq14.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/14/ixworld.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/14/wirq14.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/14/ixworld.html)

The ending of the offensive after three days, on the orders of the White House according to military sources, and the deaths of six marines, were also disastrous, he said.

"When you order elements of a marine division to attack a city, you need to understand what the consequences will be and not perhaps vacillate in the middle of something like that. Once you commit you have to stay committed."

Another marine commander said the Fallujah Brigade, a local force given control of the town while marines pulled back, had turned out to be a "fiasco".

Marine officers have said assault rifles, vehicles and radios given to the brigade by American forces ended up in the hands of insurgents.

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