PDA

View Full Version : The way it is....



stan v
09-06-2003, 09:49 PM
and will be.




The fourth world war

For two years, the U.S. has pursued the culprits behind the 9/11 atrocities with a vengeance that has shocked and awed ally and enemy alike. But even the devastating attacks on the Afghan and Iraqi regimes don't illustrate the true scope of the campaign, DOUG SAUNDERS reports. While everyone was preoccupied with the fireworks, Washington has quietly deployed thousands of agents in a secretive struggle that may last a lifetime

By DOUG SAUNDERS
Saturday, September 6, 2003 - Page F6


If you happen to find yourself in Nouakchott, a dusty and rarely visited city of three million on the far western edge of the Sahara, you may be surprised to find an unlikely sort of character hanging around government buildings and better hotels. These new strangers, whose ranks have been growing steadily in recent months, are a species of serious-looking American men who bear little resemblance to the oil explorers and motorcycle adventurers who until recently were this city's only foreign visitors.

These men, the first Americans in decades to pay any attention to this poor region, began to appear only in the past two years. With their grim and purposeful presence, they bring a Graham Greene sort of mood to this very remote outpost, but instead of seersucker suits and Panama hats, they tend to wear floppy safari hats and sunglasses, the unofficial uniform of the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. Special Forces.

What are these quiet Americans doing in the capital of Mauritania, a nation that has never made the front pages and sits a continent and a half removed from the immediate interests of the United States? And what are their colleagues in a dozen other far-flung regions doing, handing out money and guns and hard-won secrets to governments and warlords and military men in the southern islands of the Philippines, on the steppes of Uzbekistan, in the dense jungle between Venezuela and Brazil?

The guys in the sunglasses have a name for this not-so-secret campaign. They call it World War Four, an unofficial title that is now used routinely by top officials and ground-level operatives in the U.S. military and the CIA. It is a global war, one of the most expensive and complex in world history. And it will mark its second anniversary this week, on Sept. 11.

The White House would rather it be known as the war on terrorism. But in its strategies, political risk and secrecy, it is more like the Cold War, which the CIA types like to consider World War Three. Its central battles, in Afghanistan and Iraq, have been traditional conflicts. But while the public's attention was focused on those big, controversial and expensive campaigns, the United States was busy launching a broader war whose battlefields have spread quietly to two dozen countries.

Iraq also was a distraction in another way: It was a shocking and awesome display of conventional military might that is not at all typical of the stealth, spy craft, diplomacy and dirty tricks being employed in the wider war on terrorism. Likewise, "although Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan understandably captured the imagination and attention of the press and public," said William Rosenau, a former senior policy adviser in the State Department, "large-scale military operations are arguably the smallest aspect of the counterterrorism campaign. That campaign resembles an iceberg, with the military component at the top, visible above the water."

Below the surface are dozens of operations, some secret and some simply unnoticed, conducted by the CIA, the FBI, the diplomatic corps and small, elite military squads. They have been aided by changes to U.S. laws after Sept. 11 that allow Americans to do things once forbidden -- such as assassinating foreign figures.

And much of the war is being fought by foreign governments that are willing and able to do things Americans wouldn't or couldn't. "We simply don't have the resources, or the inclination, to be everywhere the terrorists and their supporters are, so we have no choice but to co-operate with other countries and their security services," Mr. Rosenau said during a panel discussion in Washington last week.

In some cases, that co-operation has led the United States to endorse and enable activities that are deeply unsavoury, all in the name of stomping out terrorism. "Counterterrorism is now 90 per cent law enforcement and intelligence," said Jonathan Stevenson, a senior strategist with the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. "Since Sept. 11, the only overt military actions have been the Predator [missile] strike in Yemen, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- and I don't think there will be many more. I think there's a much higher priority placed on law enforcement and intelligence now. It's not a traditional war."

Whether this is actually a world war, or a large-scale police action, or (as both critics and some supporters say) the gestation of a new American imperialism, there is no question that it has come to span the globe. It has caused mammoth shifts in global allegiances, in the positioning of U.S. military bases and CIA stations, in the flow of aid dollars, soldiers and arms across distant borders, on a scale not seen since the Cold War began.

Over the summer, while the world's attention was focused on Iraq, the Pentagon was busily preparing to shift hundreds of thousands of soldiers to new real estate, in places most Westerners known little about, in preparation for a world war that could last decades. "Everything is going to move everywhere," Pentagon undersecretary Douglas Feith said. "There is not going to be a place in the world where it's going to be the same as it used to be."

On Sept. 11, 2001, the world looked much as it had in the 1950s, even though the Cold War had been over for a decade. Huge concentrations of American soldiers were based in Germany, in Japan's outlying islands, and in South Korea.

It was around this time that Eliot Cohen, a military strategist and historian, referred to "World War Four" in a Wall Street Journal article that caught the eye of many Washington officials. James Woolsey, the former CIA director, began to use the phrase last year in speeches calling for a far wider sphere of covert activity.

The White House officially objected to the phrase as senseless, even offensive: The first two world wars had real enemies and real victories, and together killed 60 million soldiers and civilians. The Cold War wasn't a world war at all, but the avoidance of one. And this new operation is a "war" against an improper noun, whose enemy was not a nation nor even an ideology but a strategy, and its death toll, including both its actual wars, remains in the thousands.

Still, it has caught on, both among the stern-faced guys on the ground and in Washington's hawkish policy circles. General Tommy Franks, head of the U.S. Central Command, was in Addis Ababa this summer to announce that Africa's east coast had become a region of great strategic importance. "We are in the midst of World War Four," he told his audience, before imploring them to arrest local Islamist leaders in exchange for $100-million in aid, "with an insidious web of international terrorists."

As well, the general and his colleagues are acting as though it's a world war, or at least a global operation on the scale of the Cold War. They are building a new kind of military, one that will be based in lonely places we've never heard of, and doing things we won't often hear about.

"As we pursue the global war on terrorism, we're going to have to go where the terrorists are," explained Gen. James Jones, head of the U.S. military's European Command. "And we're seeing some evidence, at least preliminary, that more and more of these large uncontrolled, ungoverned areas are going to be potential havens for that kind of activity."

So American soldiers and spooks are moving out of Germany and into Africa -- the east now, and soon into the western Sahara and the northern Mediterranean coast as well. They are moving out of Japan and Korea and into Southeast Asia, which has the world's largest Muslim population and is believed to be the area at highest risk of al-Qaeda outbreaks. This fall, large numbers of U.S. soldiers are expected to land in the southern Philippines, whose Muslim terrorists are accused of having links to al-Qaeda.

And the soldiers are also manning bases created in such central Asian republics as Uzbekistan for the Afghan war, and on the Black Sea in Bulgaria and Romania for the Iraq conflict, but now expected to become permanent.

And even farther afield will be hundreds of new outposts that Gen. Jones refers to as "warm bases," "lily pads" and "virtual bases" -- temporary, stealthy or secret operations mounted with the help of local regimes.

This has led the United States into some highly unlikely allegiances, which may or may not be directly related to the immediate threat of Osama bin Laden's circle. For example, it is conducting stealth operations in South America -- in the "tri-border" jungle region between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina, and on Venezuela's exotic Margarita Island, both of which are home to large populations of Saudi Arabian expatriates. It is not clear whether there are actual terrorists here, or simply people who have sent money to terrorists, or if accusations of terrorism are being used to support local conflicts and to attract U.S. aid.

"The downside," said Herman Cohen, former U.S. secretary of state for Africa, "is that you can take on the agenda of local leaders."

To understand the astonishing scope and morally swampy ground of this ever-expanding war, it is worth visiting three of its lesser-known outposts.

The unlikely winner: Djibouti

Even American generals have to search for it on a map. It is a tiny, barren speck of sand and lava rock on Africa's upper right-hand corner, a country with no tangible economy, no arable land, no tourism, no reason to matter to anyone other than its 640,000 inhabitants.

That is, until the war on terrorism came along. During the two Iraq wars, the United States used Djibouti's conveniently empty desert for training and war simulations. The generals were impressed with what they found: a nearly vacant stretch of land right across the Red Sea from the Persian Gulf nations, and right next to the eastern African nations believed to be the "next Afghanistan" for their burgeoning community of Islamist terrorists.

Even better, the government of Djibouti was a lot more amenable to American soldiers than was Saudi Arabia, the traditional U.S. base in the region. For only a few million dollars, the Americans could do virtually anything they wanted -- and Djibouti would do almost anything the Americans want.

In August, the United States turned its temporary station at Djibouti's Camp Lemonier into permanent headquarters for the war on terrorism, setting up elaborate electronic listening posts and erecting a small city of concrete buildings. More than 2,000 troops are now stationed there, with more expected to arrive as the United States vacates Saudi Arabia. They will spend years, maybe decades, keeping a close watch on the unstable territories of Ethiopia, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan.

"If I was a terrorist, I'd be going to places like Africa," Sergeant Jim Lewis of the U.S. Army said recently at the Djibouti headquarters. "That's why we're here. To seek them out, do whatever we can to find and kill them."

But Djibouti is typical of the strange new alliances the United States is willing to enter -- and of the abuses it is willing to tolerate in order to achieve its goals. This year, it wrote cheques for $31-million to the tiny country, making it one of the larger recipients of U.S. aid. The cheques go to the government of President Ismael Omar Guelleh, whose party won all the seats in January's general election. Opposition leader Daher Ahed Farah complained that his Democratic Renewal Party received 37 per cent of the vote but failed to win a seat. For his criticisms, he was arrested in March and thrown into Djibouti's notorious Gabode prison. Other opposition leaders are forced to live in exile in France.

The State Department officially says Djibouti's human-rights record has "serious problems," but the Bush administration seems to see this as a potential asset. Last week, Djibouti expelled 100,000 residents, or 15 per cent of its population, to neighbouring countries. One government official explained that these foreign-born residents are "a threat to the peace and security of the country . . . How do we know whether an individual is a terrorist biding his time to cause harm, or not?" The official denied reports that the United States had requested the expulsions.

The poor human-rights record has not hurt Mr. Guelleh's relations with his allies. In late January, shortly after the questionable election, he visited Washington and was personally fêted by President George W. Bush, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld -- a level of access beyond the reach of leaders such as Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

The challenge: Indonesia

When a powerful truck bomb destroyed the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta and killed six people a month ago today, local police and military were quick to spring into action. Within a week, they had arrested top officials in Jemaah Islamiyah, the Indonesian branch of al-Qaeda.

And no wonder: They not only had the direct help of U.S. Special Forces soldiers and CIA agents who had flooded into the region after Sept. 11; they had just received a special $50-million U.S. war on terrorism assistance package, half of which went to the police force.

But the bomb's aftermath reminded many people of another explosive event a dozen years earlier. In 1991, Indonesian soldiers had opened fire on protesters demanding independence for East Timor. More than 200 were slaughtered in an event that shocked the world. The Cold War had created endless horrors in Indonesia, where the Americans supported both the army and Islamist separatists, whom it saw as useful opponents to Soviet-backed Communist independence movements.

After the slaughter, the United States began to back away, throwing support to democracy movements throughout Southeast Asia. The one in Indonesia flourished after the 1998 departure of strongman Suharto, and a year later, the United States actually helped East Timor gain independence, using its aid muscle to keep the Indonesian army on the sidelines.

So now, the people of the world's most populous Islamic nation are not exactly happy to see themselves becoming pawns in yet another global war. While the U.S. aid and attention are welcomed by many, they threaten to set back the democracy movement, turn the military back into lawless and dangerous forces, and bring back the old Cold War dynamics.

In exchange for participating in the war on terrorism, the Indonesian government has said it wants U.S. help in fighting what it defines as "terrorist" groups. Chief among these is the Free Aceh Movement, generally recognized as a legitimate party calling for the independence of a former archipelago nation now part of Indonesia. So far, Washington has refused to co-operate, saying its list of terrorist groups includes only those that threaten U.S. interests.

All across Southeast Asia, this pattern is being repeated: fragile democracy movements, enjoying U.S. support after years of Cold War suppression, are being menaced by armies and governments emboldened by the war on terrorism. In Thailand, in Malaysia and in the Philippines, the threat of Islamic terrorism is real -- but so is the threat created by the war against it.

The paradox: Mauritania

To appreciate the strange new ecology of this war fully, it's worth visiting its most distant front, and taking a closer look at those mysterious Americans hanging around that dusty capital on the western edge of the Sahara.

For 19 years, the former French colony of Mauritania has been ruled by a military strongman named Maaouyah Ould Sid Ahmed Taya, in what his partisans describe as a democracy, one that opposition parties accuse of bloodily repressing political dissent.

Until 2001, this was of no interest at all to the United States or any other English-speaking country. The war on terrorism has changed everything. In a nation with a per-capita income of a dollar a day, the prospect of becoming a foreign client is hard to resist. When the United States and its allies drove al-Qaeda and its supporters out of such northern African nations as Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia shortly after Sept. 11 (with the help of foreign-aid dollars, secret military campaigns and a new willingness to overlook the countries' abuses), the Mauritanians saw an opportunity.

"We acted because it was obvious to us that this was the thing to do," Mohamedou Ould Michel, the Mauritanian ambassador to the United States, told the Washington Times recently. "In a world situation in which one nation is dominant, it serves the interest of other nations to take this into account."

The United States suspected al-Qaeda cells had moved south into the ancient trade routes that span the Sahara from Sudan to Mauritania. This isn't at all certain -- even senior Pentagon and CIA officials have said they don't really know. But Mr. Taya, whose military regime faces a popular Saudi-backed opposition in elections scheduled this fall, was quick to claim that his country was under threat.

Mauritania has certainly benefited. It received a large share of a $100-million (U.S.) military aid package for friendly West African nations this summer. Starting this month, it will become the prime beneficiary of the Pan-Sahelian Initiative, in which U.S. military advisers provide weapons, vehicles and extensive military training to special terror-fighting squads in Mali, Niger, Chad and Mauritania.

In exchange for this largesse, it has embraced the Americans, acknowledged Israel's existence, and cracked down hard on its Islamist opposition parties, often with U.S. help. Those parties, whose leaders have been driven into exile in Europe, argue that there never was any al-Qaeda link; rather, they say, Mr. Taya has used the imprimatur of terrorism to ban the opposition and has even tortured some leaders to death in prison -- with full U.S. support.

His co-operation with Washington has yielded the Mauritanian leader even greater fruit. In the predawn hours of June 8, a group of Islamists in the military staged a violent coup d'état, driving tanks into the capital and mounting a two-day gun battle. But in the end the uprising was put down, reportedly with help from the leader's new Western allies.

The Americans tend to view this as a victory. Most observers are frankly amazed at how much support a few million dollars bought. "A little bit of money sure goes a long way out there," laughs Steven Simon, a former senior director of the U.S. National Security Council who now provides private consulting to the Pentagon with the RAND Corporation.

Beyond the possibility of a vaporous enemy, these dubious new allegiances pose another threat, Mr. Simon noted. What if the United States, in its zeal to eliminate the tens of thousands of people trained by al-Qaeda around the world, winds up providing aid and encouragement to unpopular regimes that are doing things almost as bad?

"The risk here is one of the big paradoxes of the war on terrorism," he said. "One of the main grievances these terrorist groups are trying to draw attention to is that the United States is consorting with evil regimes that repress their people. But if the United States is going to try to eliminate these groups, it will need the help and co-operation of these regimes and therefore could give credence to those complaints."

Mr. Simon is among a growing group of Washington hawks who worry that the war on terrorism may indeed have become a little too much like World War Four -- or, worse, too much like the Cold War.

"Look at the similarities: Here we have a globalized organization that was competing for hearts and minds with the rest of the world -- like the Cold War, the battle is being fought all over the place. And one mistake of the Cold War was that the U.S. came to think that you have to fight the enemy everywhere. That's how we wound up in Vietnam, which was a terrible mistake in every sense. We seem to be having a very similar situation here, and making the same mistake, where you end up stuck in one place. I'm concerned that that's happened in Iraq, and that it could happen elsewhere."

The Cold War at least had a tangible enemy to negotiate with. "The difference is that here, the enemy cannot be deterred in the same way," Mr. Simon said. Unlike the spectre of a nuclear conflict, "there's no mutually assured destruction."

World War Four, if that is going to be its name, had a firm and definite beginning, when the jetliner attacks shocked the United States back into an international role two years ago. But there is no chance that it will have a firm and definite end. There will be no V-T day.

"Since al-Qaeda is not an army, but an ideological, transnational movement, there is no enemy military force physically to defeat," said Bruce Hoffman, a Washington-based terrorism expert and military consultant. "In fact, our enemies have defined this conflict, from their perspective, as a war of attrition designed eventually to wear down our resolve and will to resist."

We have become used to a "war" being something that lasts a few months at most, possibly only days. This one could last a lifetime -- and there is no question, given the enormous shifts in manpower and geographic focus, that the United States is preparing for just that. "Our enemies see this conflict as an epic struggle that will last years, if not decades," Mr. Hoffman said. "The challenge therefore for the U.S. and other countries enmeshed in this conflict is to maintain focus, and not to become complacent about security or our prowess."

For the harried commanders in Washington, that will indeed be the challenge. For the rest of the world, the far more difficult challenge will be understanding what is really going on in this lifelong, worldwide conflict -- what is right and what is wrong in this morally and strategically fraught new world.

Doug Saunders writes on inter- national affairs for The Globe and Mail.

A litany of terror

2001

Sept. 11: Nineteen members of al-Qaeda hijack four jetliners and crash three into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon, killing more than 3,000 people.

Sept. 13: Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization named as prime suspect in attacks.

Sept. 19: U.S. forces begin deployment to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, the Persian Gulf and Diego Garcia.

Sept. 25: President George W. Bush supports Russia's claims that Chechen separatists are related to al-Qaeda network.

Oct. 7: United States begins air strikes on Afghanistan.

Oct. 17: United States expands aid to Pakistan to $100-million in exchange for co-operation in war.

Nov. 10: Mr. Bush declares a global war against terrorism in address to United Nations General Assembly, says "every nation has a stake in this cause."

Dec. 2: Osama bin Laden believed to have escaped to Pakistan.

Dec. 11: United States confirms that 100 Special Forces soldiers are in Somalia fighting terrorism.

Dec. 22: Richard Reid, an Englishman later found to have ties to an al-Qaeda cell, tries to ignite explosives in his shoe on a flight from Paris to Miami. He is arrested. Meanwhile, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announces plans to transport terror suspects to U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and Mohammed Karzai becomes new Afghan leader.

2002

Jan. 7: Singapore announces that 15 arrested suspects with possible links to al-Qaeda had plans to blow up "very high-significance targets, embassies, some of our military bases."

Jan. 16: U.S. troops arrive in the southern Philippines to establish a counter-terrorism training camp for Filipino soldiers.

Jan. 29: Mr. Bush brands Iraq, along with Iran and North Korea, part of an "axis of evil" armed with weapons of mass destruction and supporting terrorism.

Jan. 31Journalist Daniel Pearl is kidnapped in Karachi, Pakistan, by a group demanding release of Guantanamo detainees.

Feb. 4: Mr. Bush's budget proposes to increase defence spending by $48-billion.

Feb. 15: United States agrees to deploy Special Forces in Yemen to hunt down terror suspects.

Feb. 22: Pakistani authorities announce that Mr. Pearl has been killed.

Feb. 27: United States sends troops and weapons, including 10 attack helicopters, to Republic of Georgia to train and aid local forces in fighting Islamic terrorism.

March 21: A car bomb explodes outside the U.S. embassy in Lima, killing nine people. Peruvian Interior Minister Fernando Rospigliosi says, "There's no doubt this is connected to the events of Sept. 11 and the presence of President Bush."

March 30: Pakistani authorities, aided by CIA and FBI agents, capture 35 terror suspects during a raid in Faisalabad and Lahore, including Abu Zubaida, a top al-Qaeda official.

April 11: Al-Qaeda -linked agents attack a synagogue in Tunisia, killing 15 and injuring 20.

April 12: An Ethiopian court sentences five members of al-Itihad al-Islamiya, a Somali fundamentalist Islamic group believed linked to al-Qaeda, to death for bombing attacks that killed 27 civilians in the past decade.

May 1: U.S. troops arrive in Georgia to begin training local forces in anti-terrorism tactics, with a budget of $64-million.

May 21: The State Department's annual report identifies Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Cuba, Sudan and Syria as governments that continue to support international terrorist groups.

June 10: U.S. officials reveal that Moroccan police have arrested three men from Saudi Arabia who allegedly planned to attack U.S. and British warships in the Strait of Gibraltar.

June: Senior al-Qaeda leader Omar al-Faruq is arrested by CIA in Jakarta. Under interrogation, he reveals plot to blow up U.S. embassies in Asia.

June 13: A car bomb explodes outside the U.S. consulate in Karachi, killing 12 people and injuring 51 others.

June 28: Mr. Bush authorizes $10-million in emergency military assistance for the Philippine government to fight the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group.

Sept. 7: UN Human Rights Chief Mary Robinson accuses some national governments of hiding behind the war against terrorism to impinge upon civil liberties and crush opposition parties.

Sept. 13: U.S. officials arrest Yemeni members of an alleged al-Qaeda cell in Lackawanna, N.Y.

Sept. 15: U.S. steps up Special Forces activities in Yemen as more al-Qaeda suspects are found there.

Sept. 18: Control over war on terrorism shifted to U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., signalling a move to more covert forms of warfare around the world.

Sept. 19: Islamic nationalist groups in five southeastern Asian nations are said to have joined forces in a coalition linked to al-Qaeda.

Oct. 12: Nightclub bombing and other attacks in Bali, Indonesia, kill more than 200 people. Jemaah Islamiyah, an al-Qaeda -linked group, is believed responsible.

Nov. 2: A missile fired by a U.S. Predator drone over Yemen kills at least one senior al-Qaeda official riding in a vehicle. It is the first overt military action outside Afghanistan.

Nov. 28: Sudan's al Islamiya, which claims al-Qaeda links, bombs Israeli targets in Kenya, killing 13.

2003

Jan. 14: In London, a group of young Algerians affiliated with al-Qaeda are arrested and found in possession of the poison Ricin.

Feb. 1: CIA and FBI officials deny any terrorist links to Iraq, in contradiction of White House claims.

Feb. 7: Nightclub in Bogota is bombed, an act the Colombian government links to Islamic terrorism. Officials use this to request U.S. funding for anti-terror efforts.

Feb. 9: Saudi leaders say they are planning for an era without a U.S. military presence in their country, to begin soon.

Feb. 21: United States plans to send 1,700 troops to Philippines to fight Islamic rebels in south.

March 2: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, believed to be the master planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, is arrested in Pakistan.

March 3: American anti-terrorist military mission in Philippines suspended because of laws banning foreign troops.

March 4: Bombing in southern Philippines kills 21. Islamic separatist group blamed.

March 7: Five people arrested in Spain on suspicion of having financed April, 2002, synagogue attack in Tunisia.

March 19: United States launches war against Iraq.

April 2: Bomb in southern Philippines kills at least 15. Philippine authorities blame al-Qaeda-linked Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

April 15: Indonesian prosecutors indict radical cleric Abu Bakar Bashir on charges of treason and plotting to overthrow government and establish Islamic state.

April 29: United States will withdraw all combat forces from Saudi Arabia by this summer, ending military presence that began in 1991. Forces will be relocated around Africa.

May 1: Mr. Bush declares that the military phase of the Iraq war has ended.

May 12: A series of car bombings against American targets in Saudi Arabia carried out by an al-Qaeda team kills 30.

May 13: Russian Premier Vladimir Putin says bombing in Chechnya that killed 55 is an al-Qaeda operation run in parallel with Saudi bombings.

May 16: Five targets in Morocco are hit by suicide bombers believed tied to al-Qaeda.

July 4: Pentagon announces agreements with Sahara nations to build terror-fighting military bases in Mali, Mauritania, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.

Aug. 6: Bombing of Marriott hotel in Indonesia kills at least 10 people.

Aug. 14: Riduan Isamuddin, 39, an Indonesian better known as Hambali, believed to be the top al-Qaeda official in Southeast Asia, is arrested in Jakarta.

Aug. 19: UN headquarters in Baghdad bombed by unknown groups.

Aug. 25: Saudi Arabia agrees to work with United States on anti-terrorism task force for first time.

Sept. 2: Leader of Jemaah Islamiyah acquitted by Indonesian judge on most charges related to Bali blast.

Where the action is

What the United States is doing, and where, in its secretive war on terror:

Southeast Asia: Setting up bases in Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand, shifting troops away from their old base in Japanese islands. Mission: To combat Islamist groups linked to al-Qaeda, such as Jemaah Islamiyah.

The Philippines: Heavy Special Forces and CIA presence in the south, preparing to send in thousands of additional troops to help Manila combat Islamic opposition and terror groups.

Central Asia: Remote steppe nations ruled by dubious governments, such as Uzbekistan, have provided airstrips and intelligence in exchange for aid and arms, and are home to Islamic groups tied to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Horn of Africa: A major installation in tiny Djibouti allows the United States to operate on a permanent basis in Sudan, Ethiopia, Yemen, Kenya, Tanzania, Somalia.

Chechnya and Georgia: Military assistance and weapons are being provided to Russia, which claims the former Soviet republics have rebel movements tied to al-Qaeda.

Sahara: Suspicion that al-Qaeda may have sought refuge along ancient desert trade routes when driven out of north Africa has prompted military aid and support to Mauritania, Mali, Niger and Chad, perhaps sites of future bases.

South America: Thousands of Saudi expats live in the remote jungle "tri-border region" between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina, where al-Qaeda is rumoured to have training camps and to be receiving financial support from locals. U.S. covert forces now in the area, and eyeing Arabs living on Margarita Island, the tourist hot spot in Venezuela.

Pakistan and Afghanistan: Still a major military focus, with al-Qaeda and Taliban forces active in mountainous regions between the two countries. Considerable financial and military aid goes to Pakistan, even though elements in its military appear to back Islamists.

Iraq: Intelligence officials never believed there were any substantial links between Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime and al-Qaeda (which once declared it an enemy). But now a terrorist presence seems to have emerged, fuelled by foreign mujahedeen who have entered the country just to fight Americans.

Globe Poll
If the United Nations sends troops into Iraq, should Canada participate?
Yes
No

Stan V, your host here, yea I know it's long, so what? I hope this poll is available, guess what the Canadians want? :rolleyes:

oldriverat
09-06-2003, 10:02 PM
You need a hobby.

stan v
09-06-2003, 10:05 PM
Can't spare the time for another hobby. I know you read all the good stuff in this write up.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
09-06-2003, 10:20 PM
Go shoot bambi :rolleyes: tongue.gif

stan v
09-07-2003, 07:32 PM
Shooting won't start till Nov 1. Bow season end of Sept. Can hardly wait. Interesting read, this war on terror we are conducting. I like James Bond. Covert, partnerships with dictators that have some value, regardless of how short lived. Might straighten some of 'em up. Yep, James Bond without the accent. ;)

Peter Malcolm Jardine
09-07-2003, 07:56 PM
Certainly a very sad article on the state of US foreign policy. The CIA's reputation for supporting heinous dictators is well known, and obviously they do so with the blessing of the current administration. The chilling conclusion one can easily come to is that America has no morals that are not easily tainted or maligned, and yet still does not understand why many groups throughout the world hate American policy and interference so badly. Imagine the Iranians that lived under the Shah's oppressive rule for so long, then watching him live in luxury in the United States until his death. This kind of "covert" support for brutal regimes doesn't fool anyone.When the word goes out that America supports "liberty and justice for all" it is now longer believed, or viewed with suspicion. History will show that these methods don't work either.

Larry P.
09-07-2003, 08:02 PM
PMJ try typing in English next time.

stan v
09-07-2003, 08:02 PM
PMS..J, for sure the world would be different today without America. What language you reckon you'd be speaking?

[ 09-07-2003, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: stan v ]

Meerkat
09-07-2003, 08:45 PM
shock and awe stan? Surely, you must have realized by now (even you!) that most of what comes out of the shubbery is shuck and jive.

Of course, I suppose you're stuck if you bought into the act before the fat lady (ok, so in this opera, she's the skinny black lady) has sung. :D

stan v
09-07-2003, 08:49 PM
I know it's much more important to save a tree, or not spit in a stream, or drive a 4 wheeler on a dirt road, than it is to hunt down and shoot mangy, no-good, dirty, child killing, women murdering, homicide bombing low lifes, but it satisfies...ME! tongue.gif

Peter Malcolm Jardine
09-07-2003, 09:20 PM
I know I would be speaking english. What language are you speaking?

Steve McMahon
09-07-2003, 09:24 PM
You're 100% right Stan. This is so important that you should go to Iraq personally and bring your extensive wisdom to bear on the situation. I will send an e-mail to our Prime Minister and tell him that Canada's contribution should be to buy you a plane ticket to Iraq to clean up that mess. Heck, I'd even go along with lending you a canoe and some arrows at our expense. May the force be with you, write and tell us about it, (but don't write too often).

Wild Dingo
09-07-2003, 09:58 PM
Gawd Stan mate :rolleyes:

You just dont get no respek do yer? :( ... strewth mate sometimes I just plane dont unnerstan these here fellas we mix wif :rolleyes: ... I mean you go to all that trouble and effort of seeking out then cutting and pasting these obscure efforts just so these fellas can read them and you get what for your troubles?... NO RESPEK!!! :eek: ... stone the crows mate its enough to make a fella take up arms and go shoot a deer or two eh? tongue.gif

Now fellas yer know our young standley is doin us all a flavor by pastin these things... hes showin us how the radicals thunk is all hes as left of centre as you can get he actually is a greenie commo pinko tree huggin brie sippin yobbo from the wild planes of Texarz... true a fair dinkum yob is our standley and yer gotta gib him some of that respek! I mean strewth fellas he stays up fer hours just lookin for this stuff he dedicates his time and energy just fer yer edjumakashun an enlightenment and what you do eh? You slash an burn the poor ol reprobate!!

Crikey! fair dinkum I reckon yer all as cruel as yer know who~! lets gib our bambi killin tree huggin shrub lubin mate a bit of a break you know hes a nice fella deep down somewheres or others! :D

Okay members fellas!! Respek!! :cool: tongue.gif

Now look really I gotta buggar of and go find somethin to do with meself to earn a crust!!

Steve McMahon
09-07-2003, 10:13 PM
Yer right Dild Wingo. I'm Story San. I will from now on give you the despect you reserve. Put and caste away. Thank you for the enlightenment on world affairs. ;)

High C
09-07-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Steve McMahon:
Yer right Dild Wingo. I'm Story San. I will from now on give you the despect you reserve. Put and caste away. Thank you for the enlightenment on world affairs. ;) Are you OK, Steve? You sound like you might have a touch of dain bramage. :eek: :D

oldriverat
09-07-2003, 10:26 PM
I tot I tawl a puddy tat. I DID! I DID! I did tee a puddy tat!

Steve McMahon
09-07-2003, 10:28 PM
Drain bamage, ruckin fight I do, Pans stost's tho dat mo te ty bimes. :D ;)

Wild Dingo
09-07-2003, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Steve McMahon:
Yer right Dild Wingo. I'm Story San. I will from now on give you the despect you reserve. Put and caste away. Thank you for the enlightenment on world affairs. ;) See Steve?? mate that was too bloody easy!!! :D ... fight it mate fight it!! dont gib into your natural tendencies of niceness!! get stuck in whack him around a bit... go on!!... standley lubs it he do... mad as a cut snake in a soggy paperbag is our standley :D

Truth be told Ive never known a fella to take so much crap and still stay with it!... most fellas over time will do a bit of a shift in postin to save the beatings but not our standley sticks to his one eyed track link a donkey leading to water he do! now that yer gotta respek!! ;)

Ive sorta been wonderin about our standley lately is it his honest intent to convert us all to proshrubbery? or does he just enjoy the cut and paste slash and burn? does he roll all over the floor when he sees the angst and responses or does he think I see you you commo pinko buggar your names on file sunshine and lowers his dark sunnys talks into his wristwatch to CIA central... "got another one cheif" :eek:

whew now that post changed with the typin or what?!! shoulda seen what I wrote first up!! :rolleyes: aahhh just a moments lapse twer nuthin :D

imported_Snatchblock
09-07-2003, 10:53 PM
Yep- spread some money round, prop up some 3rd world tin horn dictators who have extremely poor humans rights records, and kill a bunch of people who some beaureaucrat in the state depeartment deems a threat. That ought to win a bunch of converts over to our way of thinking. We must be taking lesssons from the Jews. Lot of good its done them too.

[ 09-07-2003, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: Snatchblock ]

LeeG
09-07-2003, 11:32 PM
sounds like the flourishing of an American Samurai class under Rumsfield and 9/11. You gotta do what you gotta do. And other folks will too.

MarkC
09-08-2003, 04:08 AM
Buy dealing with these questionable groups and governments, aren't they are doing exactly the same thing that 'made' Sadam, Noriega, Contras, Pinochet etc, etc.

stan v
09-08-2003, 06:27 AM
It's not much of an effort WD 50, what with my new whiz bang Japanese (you would sound funny speaking Japanese) Sony VAIO puter to search and find those posts I provide to the overwhelmingly liberal members of our forum. I really don't mind, like FOX news, I keep it fair and balanced. The no respect stuff? Who cares? I consider the source, Northeast liberals and Canadians and generally end up laughing. The CIA watch/radio is a good idea. :D

Wild Dingo
09-08-2003, 09:55 AM
But standley surely not!!! A Japanese computer??? for the All American All the time fella??? no way! not a chance!! egad its true? :eek: you are secretly harboring ideals of bein a japanese fella and giving up your All American All the time view of life???... MATE!!!... next we will hear you singin the praises of Chinese tractors Russian cars and worst of all French fries!!! tongue.gif

Come on standley surely not a japanese computer? whatever happened to silicone valley? buy American support Americans? gawd strewth mate this is the begining of the end as we know it! :eek: :D

Im gobsmacked! flamin totally stonkered on this matter of great moment... Our All American All the time pro bushy get em at any cost standley v is using a Japanese computer? I am stunned mate... shocked... flabbergasted... you will now definantly have to go back to eating french fies standley cause where were the Japanese when your fearless leader called for the coalishun of the willing? nowhere in sight!!... at least the Canuks were there... yes yes small numbers :rolleyes: but mate come on!! them fellas have trouble breathin when it gets over -10F too hot fer them fellas in the desert and ****e they would have trouble seein if theres no white fluffy stuff all over everything!...but hey they were there right alongside us fellas and the poms... oh and yous blokes! ;)

Ahhhh my dear un-outed liberal freind you really are a perplexin personality... I do thunk however you should now come out and admit to your deep held liberal beliefs admit yer just pullin our legs about bambi and that you hug a tree for breakfast every day skip through the daisies at dinner time and you have the hots for Hilary Clinton... come on mate we know you do! :D yes standley stop pretendin now we know you have!!! ;)