ANOTHER "Dark Harbor" for Seattle!

[Art Read]

From the "Design" section:

New Dark Harbor Pictures (To me anyway) (http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003157)

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ART,

You may be interested to know that Chip Flanagan
whose web page is on this tread has been commisioned to build a Dark Harbor from someone
is the Seatle area. The guy saw one in that area
and could not get it out of his mind.I know
the guy is adamint abought having teek decks, much like yours I suppose. Wonder if
it was yours. Unfortunatly after lofting the
12 1/2 Chip felt the owner was after a little more
cockpit room and they decided to enlarge her a bit. At any rate it will be quite a site I'm
sure if you two could hook up for some photos this summer.
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Art Read
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Member # 994

posted 01-07-2004 04:26 PM
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Wow! That's pretty neat. I'd be interested to hear more about it. (Guess I'll send Chip an e-mail...) You say he saw a Dark Harbor in this area? As far as I know, there are only two. Mine and a bright, hulled strip built version that was built a few years ago in Port Angeles. Not sure where that one is now. Wonder when/where this new client saw it?
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Art Read
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Member # 994

posted 01-07-2004 04:36 PM
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He's already got the molds and backbone set up and a picture page on the web site!

New Dark Harbor Build (http://www.chipboat.com/winterproj.html)

http://www.chipboat.com/dh42.jpg

He's calling it a Dark Harbor 15. And rigging it with a marconi main. Hmmm... Think maybe this guy just wants to make sure his boat will beat mine?

(Maybe I'll "surprise" him yet with my big gaff... This is going to be fun!)

http://www.chipboat.com/darkharbormr.gif

http://www.chipboat.com/darkharbor.gif

[ 01-07-2004, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Art Read ]

[Venchka]

Sounds like a challenge has been laid down. I guess it is true that it only takes two sailboats within sight of each other to make a race! :D

[DanO]

Watch out... Chip Flanagan's projects have been known to inspire poor souls like me to finally stop the dreaming and start the building! He's a heck of a nice guy who builds some great little traditional day sailors and didn't begrudge me a little wisdom and advice when I asked. I'm sure the late LFH would have appreciated his version of the BB14, and Crowninshield would no doubt be proud of this emerging Dark Harbor.

Dan O

[TimH]

Hello m stewart,
I worked at Torresen's for a few years back in the late 80's. There was a wooden 25 foot sailboat there named Gertrude owned by some guy from Grand Rapids. The boat was listed simply as 25' wooden sailboat, but I recognized the hull right away and after comparing the deadwood sections to the plan and photos I have I am positive she was a DH 17. Somebody had put a big ugly box cabin trunk on her, and she was rather hideous looking, especially after spending a week or so on the bottom of Muskegon lake. I wrote a letter to the owner explaining to him what he had, since I am sure he had no idea, but never heard back. I think this was probably a DH 17 that was registered in a 1940 yacht club registery a friend of mine had from either Waukeegan IL or Travers City or someplace I cant remember. i wonder what ever happened to that boat. Gordon Torresen looked at me like I was nuts when I started talking about that boat...hehe it *was* the most ill-kept boat in the yard..but I knew what her pedigree was. I am thinking of writing him an email and ask him if he knows what ever happened to that boat. He isnt much into classic boats though. He likes the modern racers...where the money is at I guess. :D

[Ed Harrow]

http://www.chipboat.com/darkharbormr.gif

BB must be rolling in his grave. What a travesty. That's as bad as a 12 1/2 in marconi drag. (I'm not too opinionated, am I?)

[rbgarr]

I like the marconi rig... just like I prefer the Watch Hill 15 rig on a Herreshoff hull.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_display_photo.jsp?&hosturl=watchhillyachts&slim=broker&boat_id=646902&boatname =24%27+Watch+Hill++15&photo_name=null&photo=1&url=

[m stewart]

Tim H

This place look familiar. Gordon actually launched my BB14. He was the only one at the yard
that knew what it was. Judging from his coments
he does have an appreciation for clasic wooden
boats.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pce5a079c2dbd3739788a00d124d2e3f4/f9f888ed.jpg.thumb.jpg

Chips marconi design for the Dark Harbor 15 is
purly client driven. He would like nothing
better than to concince the owner to go with the gaff. Hence we even changed LFH plans with my BB14 from marconi to gaff. Maybe Art you could
somehow get in touch with Chip's client and dicuss
the gaff rig.

[TimH]

Originally posted by m stewart:
Tim H

This place look familiar. Yes it does look familiar :D :D :D

Gordon is actually an amazingly interlligent person. He probably just thought I was nuts for being interested in that old wooden boat that had sunk the year before. He tried talking me into that Typhooon that is still there I believe.
That was a fun place to work. Brings back many memories..... I spent my childhood days playing and working at a small boatyard up on White Lake that specialized in wooden boats called Wesley Marine. Its no longer there though.

[ 01-12-2004, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[DanO]

Mike Stewart,

Bet you're dreaming of launching that BB14 again in the spring. I've still got the photo of yours on my PC screen at work as inspiration! I'm making some progess on mine but it'll be a long time before splash time. I just got a load of white oak back from the sawmill and I'm starting the stem, etc. However, I've got a problem with the 3" stock I was going to use for the stern post, and I may have to cut another log. Argggghhh! Another month or two delay (my local sawmill is cheap, but very slow).

Dan

[Old Sailor]

My Dad had a similar boat in Chicago back in the early 40's. Was able to track down the drawings at the Peabody Museum. The cabin wasn't quite as ugly as you portray but I recall him having to saw off a foot of the stern to eliminate rot.
This by a guy who couldn't hang a door. She was drawn May of 1911. #414. She eventually was sold and moved to Lake Geneva, where she sank. (Guess my Dad didn't tell the buyer about the clamps on the tiller post.) He almost had her sink off Navy Pier due to the rudder being corroded to the post and every time he turned the rudder, water ran into the boat.
Old Sailor

The boat was listed simply as 25' wooden sailboat, but I recognized the hull right away and after comparing the deadwood sections to the plan and photos I have I am positive she was a DH 17. Somebody had put a big ugly box cabin trunk on her, and she was rather hideous looking, especially after spending a week or so on the bottom of Muskegon lake.