keel to keelson atachments (grey seal)

[kng]

Hi people !! I would like to know how do you think is better to glue the wood keel to the keelson, I am worried about the keel bolts holes where I have to seal, and/or where to put the nuts, I upload two images, in one image you can see the keel bolts with 3 nuts one over the beneath frames, one between the lead and the wood keel and the other down holding the lead (I think this way so in a future you can take off the lead without taking off the keel bolts) and the other method is holding all toghether with 2 nuts one over the beneath frames and the other down holding the lead.... what do you think is better ?? and what do you put in the keel bolts to avoid get water in?? epoxy? or anything more flexible?? and what do I have to put between lead and wood keel ?? and what is better to seal the keel bolts holes in the lead (this is if I don´t seal in the keel/keelson joint...

well thanks very much !! I hope the images help..

http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/Tmp3.tif http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/Tmp4.tif http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/Tmp5.tif
cheers

Emiliano

[kng]

images again... sorry.
http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/tmp5.jpg http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/tmp3.jpg http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/kng/tmp4.jpg

[ 01-10-2004, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: kng ]

[Banjo]

G'day kng,

I would have all the wooden part of the keel glued to the hull bottom.
The threaded rod in option 'b' is the best in my opinion, but make sure you have enough of them and that they have large diameter washers each end.
Make countersunk holes in the lead big enough for the washers to fit in and have them recessed deep enough so the rods and bolts don't protrude past the leads underside.
Once all is fitted and in place the hole in the lead can be filled with some sort of flexible sealer that can be dug out at a later stage if needed. Of course the lead to keel should be sealed with flexible sealer as well!

Others might have a better way, there are always alternatives. smile.gif

Banjo.

[John E Hardiman]

kng,

Classic way would be to do it either like A or B, however the middle nut is countersunk into the lead, not the wood, and filled with lead paste. The bolts are only threaded at the ends; the shanks are full size through the wood to prevent working and leaks . The bolt holes are bored to an interference fit, with a close fitting layer of tared felt between the lead and the wood. Lead paste under washers on the top before it's pulled up tight should give years of good service.

[kng]

Hi !! thanks for your answers... I think I will do it in the B way...
Do you advice glueing the lead keel with anything flexible and not epoxy, don´t you?? what product could be?? I don´t trust too much the products I have seen here...
well thanks again !! I hope in a week I will be glueing the wood keel... I am now varnishing and painting the part of the bottom...

thanks !!

Emiliano

[hank woll]

hi emiliano-glad to see you are getting nearer to the water-i'm almost ready to set up for planking-the way you describe the fastening i think all the way through is goo-and as was said sink the nuts in the lead-perhaps 3m 5200 or another sealer would do fine-lead paste i have no knowledge of-if you seal with epoxy as you fit the lead to the wood it should be good too-regards-hank