Semper Fi - continued

[Meerkat]

John; Didn't say you did, but some of the rabble rousing right have, more than one of them. I think I just got called warped and twisted by yet another - hurry to read it, he's going to have a tizzy fit and pull the thread soon. (edited to add: oops, too late - he's done it!)

I don't think the US is half empty, but I don't think it's half full either. There are too many special interests who seem to have forgotten that if we don't hang together, we shall surely hang separately.

[Meerkat]

Exuse me, but how is my stating my opinion in any way hypocritical? I don't recall having said that those people where bad - I said I had trouble reconsiling what they do, especially with the typical attitude of a flawless America, with being a patriot. I didn't say they where wrong or bad or that they shouldn't do it or anything of that nature! :mad:

I'm terribly sorry that my opinion differs from how you thing things ought to be done - but I suspect you'll live! :D

[Meerkat]

Rightests are such unpatriotic cowards.

[Alan D. Hyde]

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....wonder if thats one of them urban myths......

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I've got a cousin who's in a wheelchair who can stand and even walk a half-dozen paces before he falls. He's a vet (a nuclear submarine engineer) who would have no trouble standing for the flag to go by. Heck, he stands to hoist the flag on his flagpole every morning.

And I've loaned an arm or a shoulder to more than a few vets who were not as able as he is, when the flag was going by.

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This is really not intended to be a troll, but I simply do not understand people who feel the need to constantly show the flag!

I'm an American. I get up most mornings on American soil, eat American food, watch American TV, have American attitudes and dress in clothes made in China like most Americans. I don't have any trouble thinking of myself as an American or remembering America's history and how we, as a nation, came to be where we are. Why the need to proclaim what is evident to all?

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Pride. Patriotism. Love of your country. Love of the idea that is the United States. Either you feel it or you don't. Some that feel it choose to express their feelings by showing the flag, or at least by showing respect for it.

Question for you Meer (and anyone else): Would you stand for a Marine honor guard presenting the colors?

Edited to add: I'll stand.

I don't think anyone should be forced to be respectful, but I reserve the right to think ill of those who choose to be disrespectful.

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Of course, John.

If we fail to stand up for what represents the best in us, we will fall victim to the worst.

And, we'll deserve to.

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Depending on the circumstances, of course I would stand for the colors.

I guess some of us feel less need to be demonstrative about what we feel. Overt and obstentatious displays of patriotism bother me mostly because there's often an accomanying blind acceptance of everything that America does as being right and just. I have trouble reconsiling patriotism with such an attitude. No country can be great that ignores it's own sins.

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Then that's the difference between you and me. There are no circumstances that I would not stand for the presentation of the colors.

You've mixed up 'patriot' with 'right-wing-flag-freak'. You need to separate the two. They aren't the same.

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You should stay inside if there are storms about, because you'll surely be struck by lightning. I take it that you don't consider the political diatribes and insults that you hurl in this forum to be demonstrative about what you feel? How do you feel about anti-war demonstrations?

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I would call the "diatribes and insults you hurl" as not being blindly accepting of everything America does as being without flaw nor the leadership the holy annointed of god!

As for how I feel about anti-war demonstrations, I wouldn't know: I've never been to one. Nor, have I ever been to a pro-war demonstration! Is there something I've been missing out on?

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Is it patriotic or "right wing flag freaking" to call dissenters traitors for speaking their opinion about Shrub politics and policies?

The only time I would not stand for the colors is if it was not appropriate for some reason. I can't think of any such reason offhand, but I think they exist (hmmm... like in a church?). You can take it as a given that I would stand for the colors unless there was some reason given not to.

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Well Meerkat you have done it again.

Mucked up another innocent post with NO ulterior motive just an observance of Veterans Day activity with yet another of your twisted off the wall views of the world. Just go flip some burgers or mop the floor.

I am pulling this thread in a few hours.

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Agreed.

Easy to see why he did it, although I don't like to see threads pulled.

Meerkat, look at your last post. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Alan

[Donn]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p4084d739ce6f035ef13eab5679597855/fa9364d6.jpg

[On Vacation]

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/50star.gif

http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/serviceflag.gif

http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/marinesflag.jpg

http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/coastguard.gif

http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/POW-Flag.jpg

http://www.usflagdepot.com/store/media/Army_flag.jpg

Im honor and loving memory.

Next.

[J. Dillon]

I'll stand up for those colors any time but I will dissident when I think something is going wrong.

It's written into the Declaration of Independence.

JD

[imported_DutchRub]

I LOVE MY COUNTRY

IT IS MY GOVERNMENT I DO NOT TRUST

[Alan D. Hyde]

Thanks for re-posting the photo, Donn.

That should be what this thread's all about.

We all make mistakes, but those Americans who have gone in harm's way for freedom's sake have not generally made the mistake of proscribing at home what they prescribe abroad.

We've got a country we can be proud of, and we should work to make it better.

The same may be said by the citizens of quite a few other nations, but in many ways we English-speaking peoples led the way, and were a beacon light--- a "city on the hill"--- to them all.

Alan

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[Chris Coose]

I don't want to throw a sh*t mist on the parade fellas but there may be more than a couple hundred words inspired by this photo.

Could it be that the standing guy knows the rules for colors and the younger seated people may just be ignorant of the tradition?

You might find this to be typical of the entire generation.
Sitting down would be a classic valley girl response.
Unfortunately the way a generation learns this kind of respect is to present those colors on the battlefield and the cemetaries and I think this generation is about to get a snoot full.

If that is the way they learn then that is a goddamned shame.

[On Vacation]

We are the government. We can change the government every four years. That was also given to us by the founding fathers. We also, under extreme conditions of distain, can remove ourselves from unhappy surroundings by many means, one being the same mode that many of our forfathers can to this country in. But we also have big birds, if things get really ugly, and distasteful to us. While remaining in this country, we also agree to abide by the laws written in this country by the represenative republic, that we all are afforded with, under the voting rights act.

Lawful gathering and desent, is permissable by our laws. Illegal actions that endanger your fellow man, and issues pertaining to these acts, under wartime, that may subject your fellow citizen to death, destruction, and the overthrow of the government is prohibited under our form of government. I think its called treason. Some people choose to live on the edge of that, not noticing it from the veil of freedom of speech.

We all, at the end of the day, have to live with ourselves. Words and actions display several things, that point toward true character, and shows us who we can count on, at the end of the day. Its when the toughs times surrounds us, the true character shows up. Actions speak louder than words. But words are a good start, to give us a good idea, who we can count in, in life.

[Donn]

Unfortunately the way a generation learns this kind of respect is to present those colors on the battlefield and the cemetaries .. Horse-hockey. I learned about respect for the flag, long before I went to war. My kids respect the flag, and have never been to war.

[On Vacation]

Originally posted by Chris Coose:
I don't want to throw a sh*t mist on the parade fellas but there may be more than a couple hundred words inspired by this photo.

Could it be that the standing guy knows the rules for colors and the younger seated people may just be ignorant of the tradition?

You might find this to be typical of the entire generation.
Sitting down would be a classic valley girl response.
Unfortunately the way a generation learns this kind of respect is to present those colors on the battlefield and the cemetaries and I think this generation is about to get a snoot full.

If that is the way they learn then that is a goddamned shame.It used to be taught in school. When I went to school. We Stood up, and started the day with it, held in the air, by a student, most of the time, and every school meeting in the auditorium. But thanks to some, this is extint, in many places and you guys are working hard to finish it off, in what is left in our open society of public property.

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[Chris Coose]

So did I Donn and there was a war going on for most of my youth.

[oldriverat]

So a thread got pulled? I'm glad I missed it. How do you people stand this mess all the time? Living in the negative that is.

[Meerkat]

"what is left of our open society of public property" sounds disturbingly socialist! The next question is: what the hell does it mean!?! :D

[htom]

Lots of us learned this in grade school (or before) but I've got neices and nephews who didn't know it before they happened to visit me. Schools didn't teach it, parents didn't think to, I guess.

[LeeG]

that photo looks like it's from the 70's, down vests, long hair on non redneck urban kids. Pre-punk. VW ads from the period were good.

[htom]

http://www.milhist.net/davma81/

Photo's reproduced from the Nov/Dec 2002 DAV Magazine, which doesn't say when or where it was taken.

[Donn]

Does it matter when it happened?

[Meerkat]

Not telling if that pic is real or a comp. Some parts of it look like they're lit differently and the focus seems to differ too (and not just because of depth of field).

[Donn]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
Not telling if that pic is real or a comp. .."Not telling..?" Like you know? What's the difference? Is falsifying a photo different from verbal hyperbole?

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Donn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Meerkat:
Not telling if that pic is real or a comp. .."Not telling..?" Like you know? What's the difference? Is falsifying a photo different from verbal hyperbole?</font>[/QUOTE]I meant "no telling" as I'm sure you're aware.

It does make a difference if the photo was comped to make some sort of political point and is not really representative of a general attitude.

[LeeG]

Originally posted by Donn:
Does it matter when it happened?about as much as spelling correctly.