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Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 10:12 AM
I have been looking into some outdoor fireplaces / chinamia (sp)
I think it would be really cool to sit outside and enjoy a warm fire, smoke a cigar and enjoy a bourbon.
http://www.backyardstuff.com/Fire%20Pits/Western%20Burning%208w.jpg
So I have been looking into them and they are not cheep from $200 min to $800.

http://www.backyardstuff.com/Fire%20Pits/Copper%20Fire%20Pit%206w.jpg

http://www.backyardstuff.com/Fire%20Pits/chinook_250.jpg

So Being a do-it-yourselfer I was wondering are there simple ways to make one. Initial idea was a nice big galvanized washtub I have
http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/assets/pics/t21440.jpg
I was thinking of just putting some stones under it and wam bam thank you mam done.

But My questions are;

#1 is using a GALVANIZED tub a good idea for a fire?

#2 If I put a big piece of slate and 4 brick legs with the tub on to can I use it in the middle of my wooden deck?

#3 Am I just nuts thinking of this ?

cs
11-04-2004, 10:16 AM
Joe, if you are seeing $200 - $400 you are looking in the wrong places. I've got the copper fire bowl similar to what you show there and it only cost $80 from Ace Hardware.

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/45/AF/31797061-cb73-028001DF-.jpg

Chad

Popeye
11-04-2004, 10:17 AM
don't see why not, but it will probably rust out after a few seasons. Don't forget to cut some ventilation holes near the bottom of the tub wall.

i bet real hardwood charcoal, or peat burns nicely in these. Skip the boy-bun and go get a nice Highland Single Malt (Craggenmore) whiskey with a few drops of dew to go with a nice fat Romeo and Juliet bugger.

Also might want to get some asbestos slippers too bro.

[ 11-04-2004, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: popeye ]

Peter Kalshoven
11-04-2004, 10:26 AM
As one of the resident fireplace guys here, let me give this a shot:

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):

My questions are;

#1 is using a GALVANIZED tub a good idea for a fire?[/QUOTE
Galvanized sheet metal is used in a lot of parts of factory built fireplaces, but not where it's exposed to the flame. Will it hurt? Don't know. Will it last? I don't believe the galvanized coating will last long in the heat of a wood fire, and once it's gone, rust will happen. Will it last a season? Probably.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
#2 If I put a big piece of slate and 4 brick legs with the tub on to can I use it in the middle of my wooden deck?[/QUOTE
I wouldn't. Reality is, the testing for Patio Fireplaces is pretty tough, as regards heat transference. But that's not why I wouldn't. It's a matter of stability. If something bumps the slate or the tub or one of the brick legs, and your fire takes a tumble, bye-bye deck, and if attached to the house, bye-bye house.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
#3 Am I just nuts thinking of this ?Isn't that really too questions? :D :D

Why don't you build a fire pit (bare ground, covered with slate, surrounded by bricks, or something like that) out in front of the deck? Then you can have your fire, AND your house! tongue.gif

Let us know what you do.

Peter Kalshoven
11-04-2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Peter Kalshoven:
As one of the resident fireplace guys here, let me give this a shot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):

My questions are;

#1 is using a GALVANIZED tub a good idea for a fire?
Galvanized sheet metal is used in a lot of parts of factory built fireplaces, but not where it's exposed to the flame. Will it hurt? Don't know. Will it last? I don't believe the galvanized coating will last long in the heat of a wood fire, and once it's gone, rust will happen. Will it last a season? Probably.


Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
#2 If I put a big piece of slate and 4 brick legs with the tub on to can I use it in the middle of my wooden deck?
I wouldn't. Reality is, the testing for Patio Fireplaces is pretty tough, as regards heat transference. But that's not why I wouldn't. It's a matter of stability. If something bumps the slate or the tub or one of the brick legs, and your fire takes a tumble, bye-bye deck, and if attached to the house, bye-bye house.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
#3 Am I just nuts thinking of this? Isn't that really two questions? :D :D Why don't you build a fire pit (bare ground, covered with slate, surrounded by bricks, or something like that) out in front of the deck? Then you can have your fire, AND your house! tongue.gif

Let us know what you do.</font>

Peter Kalshoven
11-04-2004, 10:30 AM
Oh, hell, I don't know how to quote, edit, or spell.
Hope you can get the gist of my answer from the above, Joe.

Leon m
11-04-2004, 10:31 AM
You can find them cheaper for sure,my Mom and
sister both have one and I don't think they
paid much more than fifty bucks for them.

They are nice ...we lik to roll our Moms down to
the lake in the fall and roast marshmellows and
smoky dogs with the kids.

Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 10:38 AM
Yea Pete I thought about the old fashion boy scout fire pit but ya see I kinda like the idea of using it like Chad has on his deck. It would be a drag to walk to a spot on my property just to sit out and in front of the fire. Ya see I kinda like putting the TV up by the french doors or out the window on the other deck and just extend my deck season I think if you use the blue stone and the bricks or stones in the stable direction it might be fine. My main concern was the galvanized nature of the metal. From my welding exp. I remembered you should never arc weld galvanized metal, it gives off toxic gases.

[ 11-04-2004, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

JimD
11-04-2004, 10:38 AM
Most places have local bylaws about where and on what you can situate your portable firepit. Around here for example you can't put in within about 10 feet of a structure, like your house, that will burn. And they may have to be raised a certain distance off the surface they are sitting on, so check with your local town hall for regulations.

NormMessinger
11-04-2004, 10:42 AM
Wash tub not made for fire. Zink will burn off first time you fire it up. The thin iron will burn through the second time or soon there after. Or, rust away between times if you don't use it much.

NormMessinger
11-04-2004, 10:45 AM
However....

If you line the tub with castible refactory, fourty bucks a baghere abouts, three bags required, it may very well do the job for you.

alteran
11-04-2004, 10:49 AM
If you go with the washtub idea it would be good to chain a few hound dogs to the front porch and put some cars up on blocks in the front yard to make the scene authentic and complete.

Hal Forsen
11-04-2004, 10:52 AM
I have an old washing machine tub set in a galvinized tub and it work great with no mess. Been using it for several years with no problems.
Cheap too!
HF

Leon m
11-04-2004, 10:54 AM
Better yet, ya could get an old Semi tire rim
and put her on some cement blocks and yer good ta go . :D ;)

Shang
11-04-2004, 11:08 AM
"If you go with the washtub idea it would be good to chain a few hound dogs to the front porch and put some cars up on blocks in the front yard to make the scene authentic and complete."

Yeah...I filled a wheelbarrow with sand, built a charcoal fire, put a grill over it...
The steaks came out fine...but will they EVER get tired of calling it Ozark Cuisine ...!

[ 11-04-2004, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Shang ]

Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 11:24 AM
I don't know it don't look so bad to me

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p4f5d9e44a3aee966aaf0dfbc5010c633/f66108ad.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p65a80809754fc42d55a8854081fcef07/f66108df.jpg

NormMessinger
11-04-2004, 11:38 AM
Poke some holes around the bottom of the sides for draft. Then keep a hose handy and don't leave it unattended.

Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 11:40 AM
How's about this?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pc094ec6a1f2416b5d87b5bcf98f3294c/f660fb7c.jpg

Look Al a hound dog ;) smile.gif

Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 11:48 AM
Norm one of the MAJOR reasons I wanted to place the fire in that location is it is very close to the hose smile.gif

The two tub design is very stable but I'm thinking of bolting the two tubs together for added safety.

Pete Dorr
11-04-2004, 11:50 AM
Joe

I see the potential for a spark to fly out of the open bucket and fly down to those leaves and spark up a blaze in your back yard.

The 2 I've seen both have screens. The one I liked better was similar to the copper pan. You can get a nice big fire going in that style.

Blaze on
Pete

Joe Dupere
11-04-2004, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Leon m:
You can find them cheaper for sure,my Mom and
sister both have one and I don't think they
paid much more than fifty bucks for them.

They are nice ...we lik to roll our Moms down to
the lake in the fall and roast marshmellows and
smoky dogs with the kids.Jeepers!! Don't write this stuff when I'm drinking a soda. I 'bout splorked it outa my nose!! I hope you meant you roll your moms down to the lake in their wheelchairs, or something, but I got this visual of two little old ladies rolling down a hill, arms and legs flying, flames shooting out whilst the kids are chasing them and trying to roast marshmallows before gramma rolls into the lake and puts the fire out!! :D :D

Joe

alteran
11-04-2004, 12:15 PM
It will look fine until you light the fire. The galvanizing will burn off in a cloud of noxious smoke, the out side will look like hell till it starts to rust and after that it will rust away seemingly in seconds. Ok maybe over the summer.

Sell another house, buy one that will last longer than you will and have enough $ left over for some Kobe steaks and fine beer.

Peter Kalshoven
11-04-2004, 12:20 PM
Joe, you're going to set your deck railing on fire. Might be cheaper to do it right.
Pete

Joe (SoCal)
11-04-2004, 12:23 PM
See Al that's what I was thinking about the galv I knew a small voice was telling me problem with toxic smoke from my arc welding days, thats why I asked.

I think I will check Sam's club this weekend. ;) Oh well now I have to take it all down before the wife gets home lol smile.gif

Thanks Guys

[ 11-04-2004, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Shang
11-04-2004, 09:45 PM
Okay, go whole hog!
Here's the outdoor fireplace I'm building up at the lake.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pe863fea7897d18313ce53e111fbda759/f65fce95.jpg

Not quite finished, but on these cool evenings we've been sitting in front of the fire with wine and cheese.

Leon m
11-04-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Joe Dupere:
[]Jeepers!! Don't write this stuff when I'm drinking a soda. I 'bout splorked it outa my nose!! I hope you meant you roll your moms down to the lake in their wheelchairs, or something, but I got this visual of two little old ladies rolling down a hill, arms and legs flying, flames shooting out whilst the kids are chasing them and trying to roast marshmallows before gramma rolls into the lake and puts the fire out!! :D :D

Joe[/QB][/QUOTE]

ROTFLMAO ! My side hurts :D :D :D

Mrleft8
11-06-2004, 09:34 AM
Get yerself about 50 pounds of clay and make a giant gourd kinda thingy with a part of the side cut away, and a hole at the top of the neck. Let it dry for a week. Dig a pit about 4 times the size of the gourd thingy, line the bottom with stones and fill it part way up with sawdust and wood chips. Put your gord thingy in the hole, and fill it up with sawdust and wood chips. Cover the gourd thingy with sawdust and wood chips, and completely fill the hole. Cover the hole with kindling and small split logs. Fire that baby up. With any luck, you'll end up with a clay "Chiminera" thing that should handle a nice cozy fire. It won't like freeze-thaw cycles though. You'll need to make, or find a steel ring with legs to set the gourd thingy in. Re-bar is good for making the steel ring and legs.

landlocked sailor
11-06-2004, 09:35 AM
Here's my favorite:
http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/gardening/et210s1b.jpg
http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/gardening/et210s2b.jpg http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/gardening/et210s3b.jpg
http://www.leevalley.com/gifts/page.asp?page=47933&category=4,104,45478&abspage=2&ccurrency=2&SID=
Sam's club has the same one for a bit more than half, but sans the lid alas. Rick

ahp
11-06-2004, 10:01 AM
What is wrong with those chimineras that were popular a few years ago? They don't look handy for cooking but ok for a little heat.

landlocked sailor
11-06-2004, 10:55 AM
I've had a chiminera for about 8 years. It works fine but is really only 'one-sided'; if you want to gather round the fire it gets crowded. Rick
http://www.stellers-park.com/webjournal/2004/Winter/Bill/ChimineraBill.jpg

Joe (SoCal)
11-06-2004, 06:15 PM
Went to Sam's Club and splurged bought the one with the marble top smile.gif

THIS IS THE GREATEST INVENTION :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pf77b83e31bf718ed7101354da3069a67/f65acc43.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p0c4f1fc8ee853e575ff328e1a51b3e8f/f65acc58.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pabe008062309d932946a2057d8c8828a/f65acc75.jpg

Everyone LOVES it

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
11-06-2004, 06:26 PM
Wow, thats a nice one. :cool:

Joe (SoCal)
11-06-2004, 06:34 PM
Yea OK I admit my hillbilly version was kinda lame :rolleyes:

This one is MUCH nicer smile.gif

Joe (SoCal)
11-06-2004, 07:23 PM
OK we are having too much fun here :D :D :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pd52b0bc485e4a93886a25d74026ffe4f/f65aaa53.jpg

Cookin Marshmellows

Larry P.
11-06-2004, 07:57 PM
Hey Joe how much did that one run you? (not trying to be nosey just curious) I've been trying to talk my wife into one.

Joe (SoCal)
11-06-2004, 08:21 PM
$100 @ Sam's Club best C note I ever spent :D
Just sitting out here now listening to the critters romp through the leaves and the crackle of the fire, Sipping a fine bourbon and enjoying a good cigar. Wireless computer humming a long, Lisa is putting Tess to bed then she is gonna join me ;)

Nicest thing about this one is the stone around the edge acts as a little table it dosnt get hot so you can put your feet up or warm a class of bourbon niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice smile.gif

Sam's Club is great I have no idea how much this would retail for but they were practically giving them a way 2 Skids full of them I might buy another for the other deck smile.gif

[ 11-06-2004, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

imported_Steven Bauer
11-06-2004, 08:24 PM
Here's the ultimate outdoor fireplace:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p8ca06a3fa45520525da701e3072c6e05/f65a8981.jpg
Of course the screen panels (with glass inserts for cooler weather) aren't installed yet.

If you look to the right you see this:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pd644b5fac542a014703859d486b4bf8a/f65a8972.jpg

If you look to the left you see this:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p5f01cab10e91bf8d4f1c58946f8ad933/f65a8965.jpg

If you look straight ahead you see this:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/pf62ad3f7af34a22aaa426a7650ebaa71/f65a896d.jpg

(If a cruise ship happens to be passing by smile.gif )

And on the floor of the living room you can see this:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p148a9efef9b5a848b2916df458152654/f65a897a.jpg

This is a 1.3 million dollar house I've been working on this fall. The lot was another $mil on top of that.

Steven

Joe (SoCal)
11-06-2004, 08:28 PM
Sheeeeeeeeeeesh Steven you sure do know how to spoil a nice night :rolleyes: ;) smile.gif

Thats some house, nice work maybe I should come up by you and sell real estate :D

Mrleft8
11-06-2004, 10:29 PM
Pfffft! I still like my idea better! Sure you multi kazzillionaire real esatate jockey's with Cuban cigars (ehem) can BUY an outdoor fireplace..... But can you BUILD one? :D

landlocked sailor
11-07-2004, 07:12 AM
Nice Joe! Glad to see the facial camouflage is returning. tongue.gif Rick