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Norske3
01-04-2006, 10:22 AM
".... ,WE CAN'T EVEN SHOOT DOWN AN AIRPLANE, we don't have anything left," she reported him saying".....in Texas Sadam would be called a "Tin Horn.... Whatever".. :D

CIA .....'Ignored Iraqi weapons evidence'
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 04 January 2006
The Bush administration is facing new charges over its handling of pre-war intelligence, with a book alleging that the CIA ignored a mass of evidence gleaned from Iraqi weapons scientists, months before the 2003 invasion, that Saddam Hussein had abandoned his WMD programmes.

According to the book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, Sawsan alHaddad, sister of an Iraqi nuclear scientist, was one of 30 foreign-based Iraqis who agreed to contact relatives supposedly working on weapons development. Every one reported that the programmes did not exist.

"Don't they know there is no nuclear programme?," her brother told her. The nuclear programme had been dead since 1991. "We don't have enough spare parts for our conventional military, we can't even shoot down an aeroplane, we don't have anything left," she reported him saying. A month later the national intelligence estimate on Iraq's alleged WMD was issued, stating that Iraq was "reconstituting its nuclear programme".

The book, written by James Risen, a New York Times journalist, depicts an enfeebled and blunder-prone CIA. Its most striking chapter concerns the National Security Agency, and the disclosure that it has for three years been conducting electronic surveillance without warrants against US citizens.

President Bush has ordered an inquiry into the leak, and the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee is to hold hearings in the next few weeks.

The book provides detail of the tension over Iraq between George W Bush and his father. It recounts how Mr Bush "angrily hung up the telephone" after his father, who was President from 1998 to 1992, complained that his son was allowing the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, "and a cadre of neoconservative ideologues" to exert excessive influence over foreign policy.

The Bush administration is facing new charges over its handling of pre-war intelligence, with a book alleging that the CIA ignored a mass of evidence gleaned from Iraqi weapons scientists, months before the 2003 invasion, that Saddam Hussein had abandoned his WMD programmes.

According to the book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, Sawsan alHaddad, sister of an Iraqi nuclear scientist, was one of 30 foreign-based Iraqis who agreed to contact relatives supposedly working on weapons development. Every one reported that the programmes did not exist.

"Don't they know there is no nuclear programme?," her brother told her. The nuclear programme had been dead since 1991. "We don't have enough spare parts for our conventional military, we can't even shoot down an aeroplane, we don't have anything left," she reported him saying. A month later the national intelligence estimate on Iraq's alleged WMD was issued, stating that Iraq was "reconstituting its nuclear programme".

BUSH AND THE CONGRESS HAVE BEEN CHASING A GHOST FOLKS.

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Norske3
01-05-2006, 05:21 PM
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Meerkat
01-05-2006, 06:06 PM
Bushie could hardly have listened to the people in teh best position to know or else he couldn't have his war!

Besides, he was too busy listening to what he wanted to hear from Chalabi and the INC.

Chris Coose
01-05-2006, 06:41 PM
dubbya would have invaded and occupied Iraq even if SH hung himself in front of his palace a month before.

The drum beat started long before the puppet was elected and all else was pure smoke and mirrors - minor distractions.

Meerkat
01-05-2006, 06:44 PM
Yup: oil!

Donn
01-05-2006, 06:57 PM
BUSH IS BAD!

Chris Coose
01-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Don = Dr. Jeckyl on koolaid & bourbon.

ahp
01-05-2006, 07:58 PM
Get ready for another one. The columnist Pat Buchanan claims Goss Porter, Director of the CIA is reported to be in Turkey negociating for airbases to be used for a strike against Iran in the event that Iran restarts its uranium enrichment capacity. The Israili governemnt has given the US an ultimatium to do something by the end of March, or they will.

Iran is a signer of the nonpoliferation treaty, and under the terms of the treaty has the right to enrich uranium for peaceful (power reactor) purposes, but not for weapons. The U235 enrichment for weapons in much greater than for a power reacter. Of course, who is to verify the level of enrichment or what happens to the plutonium produced in the reactor?

Pat further states that Bush's advisors are telling him that US forces invading Iran will be welcomed as liberators.

Donn
01-05-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by ahp:
Get ready for another one. The columnist Pat Buchanan claims Goss Porter, Director of the CIA ..That's Porter Goss, mate.

Meerkat
01-05-2006, 08:11 PM
Place your bets: WW III is about to start! :eek:

High C
01-05-2006, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by ahp:
....Bush's advisors are telling him that US forces invading Iran will be welcomed as liberators.They were in Iraq. You think Iran would be different?

Meerkat
01-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by High C:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ahp:
....Bush's advisors are telling him that US forces invading Iran will be welcomed as liberators.They were in Iraq. You think Iran would be different?</font>[/QUOTE]It must be sniffing all that mould left over from Katrina. You're delusional! :eek:

High C
01-05-2006, 08:37 PM
People remember....

We were met with very happy Iraqi citizens, until they realized that Hussein's forces had disappeared into the shadows and were continuing the fight.

People remember....

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Ross M
01-05-2006, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
Place your bets: WW III is about to start! :eek: I dang sure hope Rumsfeld retires or resigns first.

Norske3
01-06-2006, 07:51 PM
HEY DAD!...let me show ya....how to finish a job ...PRONTO!

IRAN...stir in PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD well ..(King of the South ?).. as the catalyst ...and the WAR TO END ALL WARS will be at the door.

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Meerkat
01-06-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by High C:
People remember....

We were met with very happy Iraqi citizens, until they realized that Hussein's forces had disappeared into the shadows and were continuing the fight.

People remember....At lesst the "made for television" version :rolleyes:

People remember what they want to remember, as spun by the media and who's currently in power.

Meerkat
01-06-2006, 08:05 PM
I don't believe the Porter Goss rumor: Turkey wouldn't let us use them to invade Iraq and I don't see why they would want to let us use them to attack Iran for much the same reason as the first time: they have to live with their neighbors and being an agent of attack against other muslims would be a Very Bad Idea.

Jagermeister
01-06-2006, 08:22 PM
Interesting take (to me) on the CIA, conspiracy theories, and how it is perceived elsewhere.

Arab News (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=75912&d=7&m=1&y=2006)

Norske3
01-06-2006, 09:00 PM
BUSH IS SAD.

LeeG
01-07-2006, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by High C:
People remember....

We were met with very happy Iraqi citizens, until they realized that Hussein's forces had disappeared into the shadows and were continuing the fight.

People remember....Please remember that Iraqs liberators didn't follow up with a power structure to replace the vacuum left behind. "Husseins forces" also happened to be a few million Iraqis in the military and Baath party, unpaid and on the unemployment line. Not utlizing the energy of a defeated country, and especially a defeated minority Sunni leadership isn't something you can dismiss with "they were happy until their fellow terrorists iraqi brethren continued fighting".
Our rhetoric couldn't recognize the Iraqis for being Iraqis,,they had to be our 9/11 enemy.
Please remember that the liberators were seen as a continuation of Desert Storm, sanctions, and the same liberators who left the Kurds and Shiite holding the bag after Desert Storm and Chalabis aborted uprising was encouraged.

LeeG
01-07-2006, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Jagermeister:
Interesting take (to me) on the CIA, conspiracy theories, and how it is perceived elsewhere.

Arab News (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=75912&d=7&m=1&y=2006)Conspiracy theories take on a significant part of public discourse when a people are at the bottom of a power structure than the top. It's natural.

Syriana is a movie. The assumptions in it's plot line may be called a product of conspiracy thinking,,or the extrapolations of a CIA agent who has worked in the middle east and knows how the CIA and gov'ts work, and their consequences to people to on the ground. I suspect Robert Baer knows this better than Amir Taheri.

It's worth looking at Taheris community associated with the propoganda machine that brought us "oops, bad intel".

Jager, as you can see there are no attacks upon you in this response and none are intended. Let's keep it that way.

ps. this article of his is worth reading.

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/253

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