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Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 10:13 AM
Seasonal Affective Disorder

SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) is a type of winter depression that affects an estimated half a million people every winter between September and April; in particular during December, January and February.

http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/27.cfm

Whew I got it bad, every year it feels worse. Im a angry mad SAD guy these days :( :( :( :( :( :(

jack grebe
01-18-2006, 10:16 AM
ya need a road trip south joe :D

LeeG
01-18-2006, 10:16 AM
build paper airplanes under bright lights,,

uncas
01-18-2006, 10:18 AM
Spring is coming...time to plan for a gathering in Newport....RIGHT?
That should take up some time....organize...organize....PLAN!!!!
Ya get the beer...as you have ways to do so without spending $$$$$$.... :D

[ 01-18-2006, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: uncas ]

Another One
01-18-2006, 10:25 AM
I get it too, Joe. My saving grace this year: a trip to the Southwestern desert to soak up the sun.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/jamihuisjenscott/sonora1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/jamihuisjenscott/cactus5.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/jamihuisjenscott/sonora9.jpg

I spent a lot of the time just leaning back and letting the sun soak into my skin. (Thanks again for the ticket, Dad!)

Keith Wilson
01-18-2006, 10:27 AM
Enlightenment might help; there's a fair amount of good clinical evidence in favor of it. Here's one manufacturer. (http://www.apollolight.com/) Remember, we evolved in Africa and only got to high latitiudes fairly recently.

LeeG
01-18-2006, 10:40 AM
Another One,,those pictures did it,,I'm stepping out!

Alan D. Hyde
01-18-2006, 11:01 AM
Here's a direct link to one product.

Keith's right; I know people who have found this helpful---

http://www.apollolight.com/blivoak.html

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http://www.apollolight.com/images/false-bottom.jpg

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Alan

[ 01-18-2006, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: Alan D. Hyde ]

Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 11:13 AM
Also work is really slow since Dec. It usually slows down about this time but it does not help the anxiety. Combined with three deals going south in the last six weeks, and word on the street about a down turn in the housing market. My usual self bouncy is deflated a bit as I sit in my office in town and look out over the dismal dark rain and the phone does not ring at all. Come 5pm I lock up and it's dark out I drive home and slump in the chair and vegetate till tomorrow. I'm not sleeping well go to bed late wake up in the middle of the night then I'm exhausted in the morning, Take a nap in the afternoon when I can. This sux :(

Alan D. Hyde
01-18-2006, 11:16 AM
Vigorous exercise will help, too. :D

Alan

LeeG
01-18-2006, 11:21 AM
Joe, your description reminds me of living in Mendocino during the winter when tourist business fell off 90% and it rained all the time. Late at night the radio public service ads would come on "some people in the northcoast find wintertime harder than others..."

Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:
Vigorous exercise will help, too. :D

AlanCan't even get myself to the gym. It's just a mile or two away but it feels like it's THOUSANDS of miles away. :(

[ 01-18-2006, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

LeeG
01-18-2006, 11:23 AM
Get a bow and arrow,,start shooting a target.

Another One
01-18-2006, 11:25 AM
I like the light visor idea. Along the same lines, maybe you want to try a tanning salon? Not that you need the color, but lying in the warm bed with the bright lights is a comforting thing on a dark day.

Seed catalogs have also started to arrive, and it helps me to start planning the next garden.

Or your doctor can prescribe something. Prozac is cheap these days and can give your coping skills the boost they might need.

Jami

Memphis Mike
01-18-2006, 11:27 AM
Join the crowd. This has been a bad winter for me.

Spring can't get here soon enough.

Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 11:28 AM
How many more weeks until pitchers and catchers report to spring training ?

ssor
01-18-2006, 11:29 AM
Take your dog for a walk, it will be good for both of you. Go where the dog wants to go,you might see things that you never even thought of before.

Memphis Mike
01-18-2006, 11:29 AM
And I'm NOT stayin in this F*#kin job another year. :mad:

Alan D. Hyde
01-18-2006, 11:31 AM
Walk out your back door, Joe, pick up your axe, and split some wood.

The sound that a billet makes as it's properly cleaved is satisfying.

And, so is the warm fire for you & your family...

Alan

cedar savage
01-18-2006, 11:44 AM
Stay out of that chair when you get home. Little projects, lot's of them, finish each one and move right on to the next. Keep moving, keep doing.

Katherine
01-18-2006, 12:11 PM
Things aren't much better here. Winter is downright depressing. Cold, gray, no sunlight for several days sometimes. If I could find a way to escape, I'd go join Leftie in Tobago. :rolleyes:

TomF
01-18-2006, 12:34 PM
I finally put a cheap TV with a DVD player where I can see it from the rowing machine. Lo and behold, I'm rowing again, and feeling less blue.

Torna
01-18-2006, 12:40 PM
I used to suffer from SAD too. I found it amazingly therapeutic to fly to the Carrib, (gasp) charter a boat, and go sailing for a week. Sun, sand, swim, & sails - made an amazing difference in my outlook for the rest of the season.

2c
-leif

uncas
01-18-2006, 12:42 PM
Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
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Member # 4659

posted 01-18-2006 11:28 AM
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How many more weeks until pitchers and catchers report to spring training ?

Ta hell with spring training...I hate baseball..Interferes with sailing season....
Then again, I'm from Cooperstown...I am supposed to love Baseball...repeat that over and over...still doesn't work...
Boating season is coming...when people's moorings go back in and the ice...what ice...begins to disappear.
Think positive.

Phil Heffernan
01-18-2006, 12:44 PM
We're doing the same thing, sailing for 8 days around the BVI's :cool:

I'd have probably passed, for $$$ reasons, but my dear wife gets the Blues BAD in the winter...This trip is way cheaper than a divorce settlement... ;)

Chris Coose
01-18-2006, 12:45 PM
1/2 million!!! I'd think it was inherant in every mammal in the Northern hemispheres to some degree.
I think it is New Englanders who "love!!!" winter who are the suspect mental health cases.

My antidote is usually performing in a musical stage production but I passed this year.
I have plans to get away most every weekend. Off to Kripalu Yoga Center in the Birkshires this weekend.
I shall be going off on a solo winter hike in the next 2-3 weeks.

It is the planning and the activity that will likely see me through to spring boat work.
I understand the lights work for those heavily affected.

LeeG
01-18-2006, 12:46 PM
Alan,,you come through with the right stuff every once in awhile. My neighbor became a single dad a few years back with a young son. He cut up a few wind blown trees into rounds and spent the evenings splitting them. Then one winter he had logs dropped off and he chopped those up into stacks. I could tell if he didn't do that the beer and wide screen TV would have won.

Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 12:47 PM
Hows coming home for lunch to this ?

I know kinda like Jack talking about a dog, but it's still depressing as hell :(

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/pf625452b3f2b25df89b85793a629a2ff/f0855143.jpg

Don't feel that bad the Mighty Hudson over flowed it's banks and Lower Main St. is flooded too.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/p6bc6d509a9171360c70cc5a404a5a396/f0854f94.jpg

I usually launch from where those logs are floating in the foreground.

Look way off into the distance you can see the waterfall raging on the mountain. I tried to get a telephoto shot but with all the rain and fog it's kinda blurry.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/pf0f74af153ccb404e6f09f8e1e11e27a/f0854f64.jpg

[ 01-18-2006, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Katherine
01-18-2006, 12:48 PM
I can stand the snow and the cold, it's just the grayness that gets me.

Matt J.
01-18-2006, 12:55 PM
ditto the above... get outside and get exercise.

I've been surveying lately, on a job site 2 hours from home... it does three things:
1) it's outside, including on nice sunny days (which we do get occasionally).
2) it gets me active. Nothig like walking a mile of creek - in the creek - for 6 hours to feel happily exhausted by the time I get home... then it's well-earned sleep.
3) It gets me out of this sh!t pit office... heaven.

I also signed up for a Scuba class (swimming and dreaming of warmer destinations.

Made vacation plans to that warm destination.

Just keep busy. Don't sit around thinking about it. Work, exercise, fresh air, and being busy cure me most years.

uncas
01-18-2006, 12:58 PM
I'm stocking up on sleep...bears seem to do it...And, am doing so because I may end up back in the work force and won't have time...to....

Peter Malcolm Jardine
01-18-2006, 01:22 PM
I suffer from SAD quite badly. I have a light, which I use when I'm in the shop. It helps, but real sunlight is the fix.

George.
01-18-2006, 01:28 PM
ooh, this is so tempting... ;) :D

High C
01-18-2006, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by George.:
ooh, this is so tempting... ;) :D Now George, we mustn't! ;)

jack grebe
01-18-2006, 01:37 PM
drink plenty of orange juice....has vitamin C
best done by going out in the yard and picking fresh oranges :D

Dolly Varden
01-18-2006, 01:45 PM
dont pop live in florida joe?

make a trip south and see him.

its great down here! smile.gif

edited to add

"Dutch"

[ 01-18-2006, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Dolly Varden ]

rbgarr
01-18-2006, 01:47 PM
In anticipation of SAD now that I've moved north again I got a used Apollo Light Box (as mentioned above by Alan Hyde) off eBay. Greatest thing since sliced bread. I use it for twenty minutes in the morning and twenty after work. I just expose my face to it at twenty-two inches with eyes closed and it is very beneficial. Can't say enough about it.

George.
01-18-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by rbgarr:
I use it for twenty minutes in the morning and twenty after work...with eyes closed ...That might even work without the light... ;)

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
01-18-2006, 01:56 PM
Whining, hypochondriacs:
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Lat 62:38N Sunrise 09:06 Sunset 15:17
Lat 51:38N Sunrise 07:58 Sunset 16:25
Lat 42:38N Sunrise 07:27 Sunset 16:56
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[ 01-18-2006, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: P.I. Stazzer-Newt ]

ssor
01-18-2006, 05:10 PM
I looked at those pictures and thought how wonderful and exciting. As long as my house is not in harms way I love minor floods and heavy rain. This morning it rained here and around noon a front came through and the sky cleared and the wind kicked up. I don't have snow to shovel, my roof doesn't leak, I have food in the frige. How could I find cause to be un happy?

Meerkat
01-18-2006, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Also work is really slow since Dec. It usually slows down about this time but it does not help the anxiety. Combined with three deals going south in the last six weeks, and word on the street about a down turn in the housing market. My usual self bouncy is deflated a bit as I sit in my office in town and look out over the dismal dark rain and the phone does not ring at all. Come 5pm I lock up and it's dark out I drive home and slump in the chair and vegetate till tomorrow. I'm not sleeping well go to bed late wake up in the middle of the night then I'm exhausted in the morning, Take a nap in the afternoon when I can. This sux :( Ever been evaluated for Sleep Apnia? Your symptoms are suggestive.

Meerkat
01-18-2006, 05:25 PM
Even on an overcast day, 1/2 hour outdoors is said to help SAD

Joe (SoCal)
01-18-2006, 05:35 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/p8dc53adc07cd604227e1f5a72a178105/f084941e.jpg

5:28 PM in Cold Spring on Hudson closing up the shop and heading home in the DARK :(

Jagermeister
01-18-2006, 06:04 PM
Joe: You might want to talk to your doctor. From what you posted on this thread your symptoms sound like they've gone beyond SAD into depression - the anxiety and sleep disorders. If you've reached the point where you can't do the normal self-care (exercise, bright lights, etc.) then you are in danger of spiraling down. Of course, I can't make a diagnosis over the net, but I'm concerned for you. I've seen this in my family members, and have had my own battles with depression. If you aren't getting relief, it might be time to get some professional advice.

- Kevin

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George Jung
01-18-2006, 06:37 PM
Some good advice (best is - talk with your Doc). I've several pts. with SADD; severity of sx's varies, as does txment, from hitting the Carib for a week, to light therapy, to one individual who goes on his antidepressant every fall, stops it in the spring. YMMV.

BrianW
01-18-2006, 11:25 PM
I just looked it up on the 'net, and yesterday was the first time the sun rose here at Prudhoe Bay since November 24th. Man what a stroke of luck it was clear...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/North%20Slope/sunriseovericeroad.jpg

[ 01-18-2006, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: BrianW ]

pipefitter
01-19-2006, 01:51 AM
That happened to me once. Not for lack of sunlight but the job/income worries. I enrolled myself in tech school and learned welding.Short term,obtainable goals.The doctors usually just prescribe something...xanex or whatever.There is something at the health stores called valerium root that helps you sleep.It works.I am no advocate of hippy dippy herbology but I really dislike mood altering drugs that are given for temporary depression.Best thing always to fix the problem over the symptoms.

Art Read
01-19-2006, 02:27 AM
Try it without SWMBO....

cedar savage
01-19-2006, 07:00 AM
Hey, Joe, maybe you should go to clown school and then join a local clown troupe. Get dressed up, get crazy, go to hospitals and cheer up sick little kids and dying old folks and stuff like that. You for sure could come up with a great costume, no problem.

Send in the clowns.

ssor
01-19-2006, 08:39 AM
Joe, In all seriousness I din't think that this present state of mind is something that you can fix on your own. A long talk with a trusted friend is a good place to start. A visit to the medicine man might be in order. Sometimes we can get into a downward spiral and be unable to stop or get off before we hit bottom. The problem is we never know how far down the botton is going to be.

Don't hesitate to reach out and take a helping hand when it is extended to you.

Ross in Bel Air

Sea Frog
01-19-2006, 10:30 AM
If only you had a barn, you could tackle boat building. Ah, well.