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Victor
11-05-2005, 08:37 AM
My point about Paris Hilton is it's not about her, it's about us, the people who turned a brainless, not particularly pretty rich girl into a major industry. Anyway...

Gentlemen, I bring you the woman who wrote the book on being sexy:

Betty Page (http://www.bettiepage.com/index.php)

Did you know she's still alive? An old woman now, of course, won't let anyone photograph her. Still thinking of her fans!

Rene Zellweger is gonna portray Betty Page? That's like having a mule play Secretariat - there's proof that ANYONE can look sexy! But at least Rene has talent.

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P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-05-2005, 08:43 AM
Nice, but not the first - not by some way - Lillian Gish. (http://www.stormloader.com/users/gish/photo.html)

Victor
11-05-2005, 08:55 AM
Good point. AMC used to show old movies with stars like Betty Grable, Bette Davis and - there was another one whose name I can't remember but was not only drop-dead gorgeous but a terrific singer as well. All I can remember is she had a Scandinavian name. Actually there were lots of them then, and every one had more talent and class than money can buy - right, Paris?

Check out Bette Davis when she was young - oh boy! She was one of the very few film actresses who kept working after she lost her looks, so no one remembers now how pretty she was. Anyone care to comment why the fags have such a thing for her now?

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uncas
11-05-2005, 09:44 AM
Victor...perhaps I need to say that I understood where you were going...I also knew where this post would lead...and I helped to take it where no man has ever been before..or wanted to go... :eek:

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Phillip Allen
11-05-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt:
Nice, but not the first - not by some way - Lillian Gish. (http://www.stormloader.com/users/gish/photo.html)The dreaded red X

ishmael
11-05-2005, 10:01 AM
Where are the women, Kat and Sue, et al? smile.gif

Erotic imagery is just fine with me, it goes back as far as we have records, and except when used for marketing, the falseness that always contains, it's just fine with me. And Betty is pretty good, for men, but I sense a lack of women's imput in so much of what passes for erotic these days. And no, I don't think we need more Playgirl. But isn't it odd that the ratio of men's erotic imagery to women's must be ten, twenty to one? Are men just spectacularly horny?

I think I'm channeling Camile Paglia. :D

Paul Pless
11-05-2005, 10:03 AM
Are men just spectacularly horny? Yes.

Thank God its a man's world. ;)

ishmael
11-05-2005, 10:09 AM
http://www.ledalab.de/swan/tillier.jpg

Wild Dingo
11-05-2005, 10:25 AM
Bette Davis was a true honey... first time I saw her was in a film called (IMSC) "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte" and I was never the same again :cool:

Talent, beauty and grace a rare combination in todays enhanced world

and those eyes!!!

But the spoilt brat? ughh wouldnt go to phuket with her if you paid me! ugly as sin and an attitude thats plain disgusting

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ishmael
11-05-2005, 10:28 AM
Hm, I wonder if that will get Scotted too. Probably not, it's a painting. But it has not just nipples but beastiallity implied.

Eros is relationship. We try to contain it, because it needs containing, but it's a vain attempt in many ways.

I got chastised when I said that as a pup Sheba gave me a woody. What a pervert! Though I went on to explain that I had no desire for sex with her, what a disgusting image, she just was an erotic creature and I reacted. Erotic excitement is not something you can think about or control much, it happens. Relationship.

I think these distinctions are lost on us, and we get lost because of it. And modern culture is very good at making a surface of eroticism without getting at the heart of it. Making sexual objects of women, ala the porn sheets, is destructive in my opinion, but is that painting? And what's the difference?

Hal Forsen
11-05-2005, 10:46 AM
http://www.grrl.com/bet20.jpg
http://www.grrl.com/lastbetty.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~brmerc/betty/bettie3.JPG

Oh Betty!!!!! :D

Certainly my favorite pinup girl.

HF

C.Carini
11-05-2005, 10:49 AM
Nipples - anyone catch the Weather Channel blond with a not really tight leather outfit with the usual number protruding like the were in an ice storm? Sure gets my vote for the uber women.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 10:55 AM
She's hotter than a puppy......

http://www.celebritysources.com/parishilton/Gallery/Pictures/Picture4.jpg

ishmael
11-05-2005, 11:07 AM
Yep, distinctions definately lost.

It's not my place to comment on West Virginia tastes. We've always had very different ideas of what constitutes sexy image.

Have at it Mike, buy Sue a blond wig and some fishnets. It might perk things up.

Wild Dingo
11-05-2005, 11:15 AM
What is it about that skinny trollop Mike? damn shes friggin fugly as hell... that aint a come hither big boy look its more Im in love with me no one else but me oopboopbeboop oooh look at me arnt I desirable? in my fishnet slutty stockings and pouting lips come on big boy Im yours... yeah right gack puke! what an ugly woman!

as I said I wouldnt phuket for quids mate! churnin heaving material that thing

wheres that ruddy pukin smilie creature when you need him!! :mad:

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by ishmael:
Yep, distinctions definately lost.

It's not my place to comment on West Virginia tastes. We've always had very different ideas of what constitutes sexy image.

Have at it Mike, buy Sue a blond wig and some fishnets. It might perk things up.My sex life is just fine, thank you very much. I appreciate your concern but maybe you might want to turn that concern inward?

Afterall, I don't recall ever getting a hard on for a doggie.

Style, well yes many times but in the animal sense, Naw.

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ishmael
11-05-2005, 11:58 AM
Let's not get testy, so to speak. It's a common problem, but easily avoided by saying what we mean, without innuendo.

Shame, what's it mean? I have no shame at all about having erotic, dare I say sexual reactions to an animal. It seems, with no instinct of acting on it, the most natural thing in the world. What's wrong with the rest of you? Animals are sensual. If you don't react there's something not wired right. It in no way means you want to have sex with them, unless troubled, can't make simple distinctions.

See, that's part of the problem, mistaking a hard on for reality.

Am I totally off base on this? I'd be suprised.

Which gets to my larger point. Why these cheesy images of supposedly sexy women? I've seen them forever, 'cause Playboy came out about when I was born.

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glenallen
11-05-2005, 12:25 PM
Hard on is reality, Ish...everything else is illusion! :D

Garrett Lowell
11-05-2005, 12:28 PM
"What is it about that skinny trollop Mike? damn shes friggin fugly as hell... "

LOL Dingo! I'm thinking of a line from Austin Powers: "That's a man , man!"

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 01:08 PM
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Victor
11-05-2005, 01:13 PM
Uncas, you lost me.

ishmael
11-05-2005, 01:24 PM
If that's the way you see it, Mike, it's okay with me. What have I got to fight with? Paintings, words? And if it's working for you...

I still think those fishnets are worth considering.

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uncas
11-05-2005, 01:24 PM
Victor!
What did I tell ya....?
Winter must be coming and everyone has lost his/her electric blanket...
jamj

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 01:27 PM
Those of you that say this girl is physically ugly are weird. There is nothing physically ugly about her at all. I think some of you simply can't take what she stands for because your fooking jealous. You don't like the fame and the wealth.
She has the gumption to be herself regardless of what other's think. That's beautiful in itself.

http://www.celebritysources.com/parishilton/Gallery/Pictures/Picture6.jpg

uncas
11-05-2005, 01:29 PM
Memphis...Looks are the first to go even with plactic surgery...What's gonna happen when she falls apart physically...as we all do...Who are ya gonna talk to...Us old farts on the WBF? tongue.gif

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 01:34 PM
I'm a rebel Jamie. Always have been, always will be.

ishmael
11-05-2005, 01:38 PM
Empty-headed blonde trollop, not in any way ugly. I think she's rather pretty. But my tastes run toward Northern Europeans.

It can't be easy. People think big money is easy, but it ain't, I don't think. What's a pretty blond to do? Sweat for the cameras in sub-Saharan Africa? Let's try Pakistani relief efforts.

How 'bout relaxing? She may, actually, have a fairly normal mind and love and consciousness. Having a mother showcased on a sick reality show has to be twisting. Being that rich has to be twisting. But she's still a human being.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by ishmael:
If that's the way you see it, Mike, it's okay with me. What have I got to fight with? Paintings, words? And if it's working for you...

I still think those fishnets are worth considering.How about that date? Is it tonight? If I were you I wouldn't show her this thread.

uncas
11-05-2005, 01:48 PM
Ah yes...I understand...A Rebel without a Cause! tongue.gif

ishmael
11-05-2005, 01:50 PM
Phone tag, lots of phone tag. And I would have no problem sharing this thread with her. If she's worth her salt she'll see it as what it is, honest. I wouldn't ask for a second date if she didn't.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 02:00 PM
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ishmael
11-05-2005, 02:03 PM
What a moron. I never said I was sexually attracted to animals. This is the distinction with a real difference you can't make. I said that animals are a part of the eroticism that is all around us. And, yes, on occasion, it makes me hard. I get hard when I see a good sunset fer Christ's sake. Doesn't mean I want to frick it.

Don't you!? Get a little hard when a doe comes into your field. When you see a young jay on the wing? If not, what's wrong with you?

I have no apologies to make about it, and if you can't see it you are either numb or dead. It's human, and quite natural. If I was fricken goats you'd have a complaint.

It's you, who try to make woman a cheesecake, who are sick.

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Victor
11-05-2005, 02:09 PM
Ish you crack me up. You got a woody from your DOG? And then went and TOLD THE WORLD? What would Jung say? I guess just about anything is an existential experience for you, huh?

Those women in the porn shots sure don't LOOK like they hate it!

You know, all young women play the field, just like young men do. Most of them are basically looking for a stable marriage - porn queens just do it a little more flamboyantly. Bettie Page was hired to pose for "photo clubs" which were ostensibly about cameras and photography. Taking pictures of sexy young girls was not the only thing these clubs offered. For years she refused to pose in the nude, which is one reason she perfected the sexy pose. True erotica suggests a transition, and a bathing suit ipso facto is a transitional garment! That's why Bettie's nude poses are much less erotic IMHO. Most of what they call erotica today is just porno.

200 years ago when I was a hot young stud I used to hang out at the nude beaches after work. Believe me when I tell you a woman lying there buck naked in the sand is not nearly as arousing as she is when she's getting dressed or undressed. It's when there's a transition going on that you have to turn over!

hey Mike, you can find videos on the web of Paris having sex! She can do porno but she couldn't do erotica if you held a gun to her head. If you saw her walking down the street without her makeup or her retinue I doubt you'd look twice. It's all hype, but some people sure buy into it.

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Hal Forsen
11-05-2005, 04:30 PM
Paris is too bitchy and too scrawny.
I prefer Betty; who coincidently bears no small resemblance to SWMBO. ;)
HF

brad9798
11-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Folks ... she's not as brainless or goofy as she lets on ...

One doesn't build what she has built (beyond being an heiress) with stupidity.

She is smooth, calculating, and keenly aware of her image and how to handle it.

For that, I admire her.

Beowolf
11-05-2005, 05:58 PM
97 posts about Paris Hilton...Are we really that far removed from Summer already? :rolleyes:

Jeff

Hal Forsen
11-05-2005, 06:31 PM
:D

brad9798
11-05-2005, 07:25 PM
Unfortunately, Jeff ... redface.gif we are!!!

smile.gif

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 07:31 PM
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ishmael
11-05-2005, 07:53 PM
I've tried to be measured and kind, but your insinuation about Sheba crosses the line.

I think you're a troubled ex-drunk, an adolescent psychology that objectifies women. Angry, controlling, crass. You laugh it off, but it hurts people around you, I suspect especially Sue.

How could you stoop so low as to say I was having sex with Sheba? What an asshole you are.

I've tried to like you. There are very likable things about you, but my god, what is wrong with you?

And leave Sheba out of whatever other nonsense you concoct, please. She's my honored dead.

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Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 09:20 PM
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Victor
11-05-2005, 09:24 PM
No wonder Sheba ran away all the time! :D Maybe this is why it's so hard for him to get another dog - she can't be just any bitch! tongue.gif (Sorry buddy, you set yourself up for that one!)

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Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 09:27 PM
ROTF! :D

ishmael
11-05-2005, 09:31 PM
No, I didn't. Are you such an ignoramus you can't see that? And how much it hurts me that you would suggest it? I loved Sheba like the beautiful dog she was. To suggest I wanted or had sex with her is both ignorant and incredibly hurtful.

You think it's funny. Idiot.

Done with you.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 09:34 PM
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ishmael
11-05-2005, 09:34 PM
Okay, done with you. Some of you are good, best, but I can't stand this. Some of you are a very ugly crowd in soft clothing. **** off.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 09:36 PM
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ishmael
11-05-2005, 09:41 PM
That painting of Leda and the swan is the best thing on this thread. But idiot's can't be led to it.

Memphis Mike
11-05-2005, 09:43 PM
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ishmael
11-05-2005, 09:47 PM
You're offering me a way out, after accusing me of having sex with my dog? Wait, are you the Barnum of the absurd?

Idiot.

ishmael
11-05-2005, 10:04 PM
And ya know what else, bugger off about sensuality. Having feelings is right, and good. I'll continue to have feelings with no desire for sex with animals, or sunsets. It's you that's wrong, can't even have a look at your own wankers. You've got some weight behind you, I'll grant that, but that don't make you right.

brian.cunningham
11-05-2005, 10:20 PM
back on subject.

I just love nose art
http://www.aafgroup.org/images/ES%20Nose%20Art_S.jpg

the figure heads of the day.

EDIT
Sorry about the BIG PICTURE
Just follow the link.

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Phillip Allen
11-05-2005, 10:58 PM
zat an A-26?

Rick Tyler
11-06-2005, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Phillip Allen:
zat an A-26?I thought it was a B-25, but I'm not much of an aircraft nose expert.

gunnar I was
11-06-2005, 08:18 AM
This thread is hysterical! What a way to enjoy my morning coffee! Victor, you are priceless. Guys like you are the reason Ford has been able to successfully market a truck with a bed and sides so high it is completely useless, but dang, it sure looks boss. You got one of em'? It sure is impressive to see a guy at Home Depot hoist ten bags of Sakrete an extra foot higher than need be on to that bed, and he still hasn't figured out what a dumb ass he is. Or do you do the ten sheets of sheetrock on top of the Taurus with hands out the window to steady the load, because your mouth has sufficiently held you back far enough, that you can't afford said truck for dumb asses?

gunnar I was
11-06-2005, 08:25 AM
Jeez, Brian, if I'da known you posted that humungous pic on page two, I wouldn't have bothered to post. Boy is my back hurtin. Joe, you remember my very first post on here? Hurtin back from too heavy a garbage can?

uncas
11-06-2005, 08:58 AM
The real question is....not whether

1) our society has certain basic desires for attractive women which need to be massaged ( men )and she fits the mold
2) she is good looking
3) she is rich
4) she makes money off of the attributes she has

The real question is...does she like Wooden Boats?

If she does, I don't care what she looks like, what she does for a living, who she is, or what her bank account is ( well, her bank account...may come in handy on second thought! :eek: )

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Phillip Allen
11-06-2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by Rick Tyler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip Allen:
zat an A-26?I thought it was a B-25, but I'm not much of an aircraft nose expert.</font>[/QUOTE]I wondered if it was an A-26 because of the 50's mounted in the fuselage...night fighter/bomber

ishmael
11-06-2005, 09:20 AM
I'm actually glad the thread got blown up. It'll sink now. Things got too angry and I'm not sure why except for me, bringing Sheba in was over the line. And airplanes bring up "screwing the pooch" in a wholly different light. smile.gif

Rick Tyler
11-06-2005, 10:39 AM
"All threads eventually become airplane threads."

- My friend Paul Tomblin

Victor
11-06-2005, 10:44 AM
Gee Gunnar, you really think so? I never thought of myself as that kinda guy. See those trucks all the time, love listening to their owners crying about how expensive they are to run.

Well, gotta go screw the pooch! :D

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David W Pratt
11-06-2005, 12:33 PM
Don't have a picture, but Eartha Kitt holds several basic patents on sexy.

Leon Steyns
11-06-2005, 04:04 PM
The plane picture comes from the American Aeronautical Foundation (http://www.aafgroup.org/Photos.htm).

It's a North American B-25 Mitchell (see more at http://www.b25.net) made famous by Lt. Col. James Doolittle.

Greets, Leon Steyns.

PS - Sorry about that Monroe picture. I considered it a work of art given the situation and story around her.

Nice plane BTW, that B-25! ;)

http://www.b25.net/b25jeepfs.JPG

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