Love her or hate her

[jwaldin]

Ann Coulter has got to be one of the most entertaining political writers today.
What sets her aside from the 'screamers' on either side of the political spectrum is the depth of research she does on issues she writes about. Truly amazing.
Even her harshest opponents do not accuse her of cheap/poor journalism by doing things like taking quotes out of context. She is far more clever than that. If she did use lies and misappropriated quotes etc. she would mearly be like so many in her proffession on both sides.
Instead she is famous.
Whatever your political stripe go to her web site and read some of her columns just for fun.
http://www.anncoulter.org

[km gresham]

:D Us poor, dumb, white Southerners keep those smarter-than-everybody-else democrat candidates flummoxed! Bless their hearts, they just can't figure us out. No wonder they write off the South in elections. ;)

It's not that hard - say what you mean, mean what you say and try not to change your mind a thousand times in an hour. Course that won't help em down here in Dixie, either, cause we don't much care for what they say. ;)

[robaato]

Originally posted by jwaldin:
Even her harshest opponents do not accuse her of cheap/poor journalism by doing things like taking quotes out of context. She is far more clever than that. If she did use lies and misappropriated quotes etc. she would mearly be like so many in her proffession on both sides.Well, she is entertaining, but I guess I'd have to be one of her harshest critics, particularly after reading Slander:
Liberal Lies About the American Right

The following passage gives a good example of how
"Slander" works:


"After Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion contrary to
the clearly expressed position of the New York Times editorial page, the
Times responded with an editorial on Thomas titled 'The Youngest, Cruelest
Justice.' That was actually the headline on a lead editorial in the
Newspaper of Record. Thomas is not engaged on the substance of his
judicial philosophy. He is called 'a colored lawn jockey for conservative
white interests,' 'race traitor,' 'black snake,'
'chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom,' 'house Negro' and 'handkerchief
head,' 'Benedict Arnold' and "Judas Iscariot'." The passage is conveniently phrased to make it look as if the quotes, as
well as the headline, appear in the Times editorial. They don't (notes in
the back of the book identify the sources as former Surgeon General
Jocelyn Elder's interview in Playboy, and Joseph Lowery at a meeting of
the Southern Christian Leadership Conference quoted in the New Yorker).

Coulter sets up the passage to give the impression that the Times called
Thomas a "lawn jockey" and a "house Negro" and hopes that we won't notice
that she's fudged it.

Not exactly ethical journalism.

However my favourite Coulter quote of the last year was this:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. If that doesn't get the Jihadi fired up I don't know what will. And if she was a Liberal we'd all be after her head for endangering the troops.

[NormMessinger]

She must be okay since Al Frankin made up all sorts of lies about the truth she tells. Frankin was just making that stuff up, right?

[jwaldin]

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October 8, 2003



RESPONSE TO INTERVIEW QUESTIONS OF EDWARD NAWOTKA FOR PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY

QUESTION: FRANKEN CLAIMS THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS FALSEHOODS IN YOUR BOOK, ESPECIALLY BURIED IN THE FOOTNOTES. . . . WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ERRORS, YOU, THE PUBLISHER, OR BOTH?

I see we're off to a good start! In your interview with Al Franken, after suggesting that some readers may want Franken to run for president, you ask him hardball questions like:

-- "It's got to be a little grating to see your book on the same New York Times bestseller list as the Ann Coulter book."

-- "You fact checked Ann Coulter's book and found a lot of inconsistencies, outright lies, and quotes that are taken out of context. Who is responsible for those kinds of errors, the author or the editors?"

-- "How should booksellers deal with this?"

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You ask me questions like these:

-- "[W]ho is ultimately responsible for the errors [in your book], you, the publisher, or both?"

-- "What gives--was this an honest mistake or malfeasance as he suggests?"

-- "Why all the name calling?"

Apparently, Ed, it never occurred to you that Franken's allegations of errors in my book -- or "outright lies" as you put it -- are false.

It's interesting that the most devastating examples of my alleged "lies" keep changing. As soon as one is disproved, I'm asked to respond to another. This is behavior normally associated with tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists. One crackpot argument after another is shot down -- but the conspiracy theorists just move on to the next crackpot argument without pause or reconsideration. Certainly without apology.

So before responding to the two alleged "lies" you cite from Franken -- the source of all wisdom -- I shall run through a few of the alleged "lies" from Franken's book that I have already been asked to respond to -- and which have now been dropped by the Coulter hysterics as they barrel ahead to the next inane charge.

FRANKEN'S VERY FIRST CHARGE AGAINST ME IS THAT I TOLD A REPORTER FROM THE OBSERVER THAT I WAS "FRIENDLY" WITH FRANKEN, WHEN IN FACT, WE ARE NOT "FRIENDLY."

Needless to say, I never claimed to be friendly with Al Franken. Inasmuch as I barely know Franken, a normal person might have looked at that and realized the reporter misunderstood me. But apparently Franken thinks he has a pretty cool name to drop -- the oddest case of reverse name-dropping I've ever heard of.

I don't hear about this "lie" so much anymore.

FRANKEN HYSTERICALLY ACCUSES ME OF "LYING" FOR CALLING MY "ENDNOTES," "FOOTNOTES" IN INTERVIEWS ON MY BOOK.

Yes, notes at the end of a book are technically "endnotes," not "footnotes." Franken will have to take his case up with the New York Times, the LA Times, and the Washington Post and the rest of the universe -- all of which referred to my 780 endnotes as "FOOTNOTES." Also God, for inventing the concept of "colloquial speech."

I don't hear so much about this "lie" anymore.

FRANKEN CLAIMS I COMPLAIN THAT CONSERVATIVES DON'T GET ON TV ENOUGH.

Inasmuch as I am on TV a lot, this would be an hilarious point. Too bad I never said it. My book Slander -- which Franken seems to have gone over with a fine-toothed comb -- would have been a good place to make that point if I wanted to make it. Slander contains an entire chapter on the media, and yet I never claim that conservatives are not on TV enough. What I say is: "Democrats in the media are editors, national correspondents, news anchors, and reporters. Republicans are 'from the right' polemicists grudgingly tolerated within the liberal behemoth."

By the way, I also say: "The distinction between opinion journalism and objective news coverage is seemingly impossible for liberals to grasp." Franken's absurd description of my point proves it.

I haven't heard so much about this "lie" anymore.

I CLAIM EVAN THOMAS'S FATHER WAS THE SOCIALIST PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, NORMAN THOMAS.

Franken drones on and on for a page and a half about how Norman Thomas was not Evan Thomas's father -- without saying that he was Evan's grandfather. This was one of about five inconsequential errors quickly corrected in Slander -- and cited one million times by liberals as a "LIE." Confusing "father" with "grandfather" is a mistake. Franken's deliberate implication that there was no relationship whatsoever between Norman and Evan Thomas is intentional dishonesty.

I haven't heard so much about this "lie" anymore.

I INCORRECTLY CLAIMED DALE EARNHARDT'S DEATH WAS NOT MENTIONED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NYT THE DAY AFTER HIS DEATH.

In my three bestselling books -- making the case for a president's impeachment, accusing liberals of systematic lying and propagandizing, arguing that Joe McCarthy was a great American patriot, and detailing 50 years of treachery by the Democratic Party -- this is the only vaguely substantive error the Ann Coulter hysterics have been able to produce, corrected soon after publication.

CONGRATULATIONS LIBERALS!!!

The Columbia Journalism Review was crowing about this great victory over Ann Coulter a year ago. A search of "coulter" and "earnhardt" on Google turns up over 1,000 hits. Now Franken dedicates another two pages in his book to it. I believe this triumph of theirs has been sufficiently revisited by now. At least I didn't miss the Ukrainian famine. <Cf.> Pulitzer prize winning New York Times reporter Walter Duranty.

I don't heard so much about this "lie" anymore.

FRAZIER MOORE, A FANTASIST FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, WROTE AN ARTICLE ACCUSING ME OF USING "ROUTINELY SLOPPY" RESEARCH AND "CONTRIVED" FACTS. LIKE YOU, THE AP FANTASIST TREATS FRANKEN AS THE SOURCE OF ALL WISDOM, CITING ONE KILLER EXAMPLE FROM FRANKEN:

"Here's one: On pages 265-266, Coulter blasts New York Times writer Thomas Friedman for opposing racial profiling in a December 2001 column. She quotes (and credits) several passages that seem to back up her complaint. But it turns out that Coulter misappropriated Friedman's words in a way that has nothing to do with racial profiling or anything else addressed in his column, as anyone who reads it will discover. His column actually drew the less-than-startling conclusion that a new age of terrorism threatens our personal safety and our free society."

This is what is known as "bicycle accident reporting." I defy anyone to explain what head-injury boy is trying to convey in his crucial, accusatory sentence: "Coulter misappropriated Friedman's words in a way that has nothing to do with racial profiling or anything else addressed in his column."Huh? The AP could throw a deck of cards out the window and wait to see who picks up the four of clubs to find someone who writes better than Frazier Moore.

But as long as I'm already breaking my rule about not responding to meritless, overwrought attacks, I'll go for broke and break my rule about not responding to gibberish. Apparently, head-injury-boy here is very upset about how I characterize a Friedman column and it has something or other to do with racial profiling.

In the column at issue, titled "Fly Naked,"Friedman spends 6 of 10 paragraphs discussing airport security after 9-11 and concludes that flying naked is the only solution, because, inter alia: "It's much more civilized than racial profiling." I wrote: "New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sniffed that racial profiling was not 'civilized.'" I'm really trying to grasp the lie in that statement, but I don't see it.

Incidentally, contrary to head-injury boy's characterization, only four paragraphs at the end of the Friedman column discuss "personal safety and our free society" -- as anyone who reads it will discover! I salute the AP's unorthodox affirmative action program, but they might want to assign reporters who are not developmentally disabled to write the articles accusing me of "sloppy" research and "contrived" facts.

I haven't heard much about this "lie" since the AP article came out and normal people took the trouble to look up Friedman's column and post it on the internet.

Now you spring two all-new alleged "outright lies" on me. I shall respond to these two, and then I'm through. Henceforth, I shall rely on sensible people to see that I have answered the liberal hate groups' first 17 rounds of indignant charges against me. If they had a better example out there, we would have heard it before the 18th round.

First, you say: "AT ONE POINT [FRANKEN] ACCUSES YOU OF HAVING TAKEN A QUOTE FROM A BOOK REVIEW QUOTING A BOOK (P. 14 OF FRANKEN'S BOOK) TO ARGUE YOUR POINT. DO YOU FEEL THIS IS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT YOU WROTE? AN ACCURATE USE OF A QUOTE? IF NOT, THEN WHY? IF YES, THEN WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ERRORS, YOU, THE PUBLISHER, OR BOTH?"

I'm not sure I grasp the accusation here and I'm sure you do not. I wrote: "For decades, the New York Times had allowed loose associations between Nazis and Christians to be made in its pages." Among the quotes I cited, one came from a New York Times book review. The quote made a loose association between Nazis and Christians. New York Times book reviews are printed in the pages of the New York Times. The Times allowed that quote to run in its pages. How else, exactly, are you suggesting I should have phrased this, Ed?

Second, you say: "LIKEWISE, [FRANKEN] ACCUSES YOU OF SLOPPY RESEARCH, IN SO FAR AS YOU APPEAR TO HAVE MISSED A NUMBER OF NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLES CITING SUCH THINGS AS SPEECHES BY JESSE JACKSON. WHAT GIVES--WAS THIS AN HONEST MISTAKE OR MALFEASANCE AS HE SUGGESTS?

It was neither, but thanks for asking. I wrote: "In an upbeat message delivered on British TV on Christmas Day, 1994, Jesse Jackson compared conservatives in the U.S. and Great Britain to Nazis: "In South Africa, the status quo was called racism. We rebelled against it. In Germany, it was called fascism. Now in Britain and the U.S. it is called conservatism.' The New York Times did not report the speech."

The New York Times did not, in fact, report the speech. Franken does not say otherwise. My guess is -- and this is just a stab in the dark -- Franken doesn't say otherwise because he can't say otherwise, inasmuch as . . . THE NEW YORK TIMES DID NOT REPORT THE SPEECH. What Franken says is that my search method was faulty -- though, somehow, it still managed to produce the truth! (To wit: The New York Times did not report the speech.)

Among my searches, I searched the New York Times database for all of December, 1994 and January 1995 for: "Jesse Jackson and Germany and fascism and South Africa."(In my footnotes, I often give my readers clear descriptions of some of the Lexis-Nexis searches I ran -- something, as far as I know, no other writer does.)

Franken does not mention the lines I had just quoted from Jackson's speech -- you know, the one that was NOT reported in the New York Times -- but refers to it only as a "controversial speech."He then acts incredulous that I would run a search for "Jesse Jackson and Germany and fascism and South Africa," as if I tossed in the terms "Germany""fascism"and "South Africa"for no reason whatsoever. To my observation that this search turned up no documents, he says sarcastically: "Well, yeah."

To borrow a line from a trained journalist: What gives, Ed? Was this an honest mistake or malfeasance?

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[Keith Wilson]

If screaming over-the-top poorly-thought-out invective entertains you, by all means go read her stuff. No accounting for taste. I sometimes like reading things by thoughtful conservatives; I rather admire George Will and William F. Buckley even though I don't agree with them very often,. Ann Coulter, OTOH, is a particularly bad example of the Rush Limboid approach to politics, where those who disagree with you aren't merely wrong, they're stupid ugly evil vile putrid malodorous malevolent treasonous baby-raping ****-eating murderous VERMIN, who should be castrated, slowly disemboweled, and then STRANGLED WITH THEIR OWN BLOODY INTESTINES!!! Buy my book for more details!!

Uh, sorry, got a little carried away there.

[ 01-12-2004, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Keith Wilson ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

While on vacation the role of Stan will be played by jwaldin :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


All content copyright 2000 - 2004 anncoulter.com. Look familiar :rolleyes:

[Billy Bones]

I'll bet Rush Limbaugh secretly scores painkillers from Al Franken when his doctor cuts him off.

[LeeG]

I'll have to read that "what is trolling" thread

[Rogue Sailor]

She must be okay since Al Frankin made up all sorts of lies about the truth she tells. Frankin was just making that stuff up, right? Right

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by km gresham:
:D Us poor, dumb, white Southerners keep those smarter-than-everybody-else democrat candidates flummoxed! Bless their hearts, they just can't figure us out. No wonder they write off the South in elections. ;)

It's not that hard - say what you mean, mean what you say and try not to change your mind a thousand times in an hour. Course that won't help em down here in Dixie, either, cause we don't much care for what they say. ;) Hey, don't you know that Pollyana was a fictional character? - and you look rediculous in pigtails and g gingham pinafore at your age. :D

[Alan D. Hyde]

http://www.earlham.edu/~publicaf/photos/events-01/AnnCoulter.jpg

"A pretty face is a silent recommendation."

Elizabeth I

*****

Alan

[Jack Heinlen]

Somebody buy that woman a cheeseburger and fries, quick.

She is very clever, but the anorexia scares me more than a little. It doesn't point to long term stability or balance. It strikes me that she lives full time in that pretty, skinny head of hers, and her columns reflect that. If in basic agreement, her columns are funnier than if not, big suprise.

When asked by a grandchild why he was so fat, Jung replied, "It's so I don't blow away."

[Keith Wilson]

"Handsome is as handsome does." "

Anon.

[robaato]

Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:

"A pretty face is a silent recommendation."

Elizabeth I

*****
"How human is it to impute,
Unlikely virtues to the cute."

-P.J. O'Rourke

[ 01-14-2004, 05:05 AM: Message edited by: robaato ]

[Alan D. Hyde]

:D :D

Alan

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Yes, Anne Coulter is one of the most frightening journalists I have read in a long time. Absolutely scary that someone could actually think that way. :rolleyes:


(Perhaps in addition to the usual processing requirements for new immigrants, there should be a form that says: Welcome to America! You will no longer have to live in a mud hut, earn 32 cents a year, and have members of your family periodically dragged off and shot. However, you may, on occasion, have to see people praying.)


The Episcopals don't demand much in the way of actual religious belief. They have girl priests, gay priests, gay bishops, gay marriages -- it's much like The New York Times editorial board. Wow. :(

[ 01-14-2004, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm Jardine ]

[Alan D. Hyde]

:D :D :D

Alan

[jwaldin]

PMJ,
So you think she is "frightening".
Is there something specific?

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I have glanced at some of her writing, and I don't feel compelled to love her or to hate her. I think I will carry on ignoring her; she just does not write that well and she conveys no originality or spontaneity of thought.

[Donn]

She's the female James Carville of the right. We all have our crosses to bear. She does interview better than she writes, however. Very sharp witted.

[Eric Sea Frog]

Looking like Celine isn't a silent recommendation!

[robaato]

Originally posted by Eric Sea Frog:
Looking like Celine isn't a silent recommendation!For our forumites in Canada and Las Vegas:

Celine Dion walks into a bar and the bartender says, "Hey, why the long face?"

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:
http://www.earlham.edu/~publicaf/photos/events-01/AnnCoulter.jpg
You could split logs with that chin! :D