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04-12-2004, 10:52 PM
"...January 3, 2000—Commemorating the “night of power” in the Islamic month of Ramadan, there is an unsuccessful attempt to bomb the USS The Sullivans in Aden harbor, Yemen. It fails when the attack boat sinks in the harbor. CNN 12/20/01..."


Okay, naval trivia fans: Who were the Sullivans, and why are they commemorated?
(And why is this not trivial?)

stan v
04-12-2004, 11:01 PM
Five Iowa brothers that died on the same Navy ship in WW II. Changed Navy regs in that brothers couldn't serve together on the same ship. Close?

Jack Heinlen
04-12-2004, 11:05 PM
That's real close. The pic looks like a destroyer, and I thought they were on a battlewagon, or at least a cruiser.

Gawd, five brothers on a destroyer. That would be too much like home. :rolleyes: :D

God rest their souls.

04-12-2004, 11:05 PM
Good for Stan.

USS The Sullivans, # 537, is a Fletcher Class Destroyer.
Destroyers are named for naval heroes and leaders.
George, Francis, Joseph, Madison and Albert Sullivan enlisted together, and served on the light cruiser Juneau (CL-52), until it was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine during the Battle of Guadalcanal.

[ 04-13-2004, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: Shang ]

stan v
04-12-2004, 11:09 PM
When was the USS Cole hit? Wasn't it later in the year 2000 in that same port?

Anyone know where I'm going with this?

04-12-2004, 11:21 PM
Pascagoula, Miss., April 19, 2002 — After a successful 14-month effort to repair the damage suffered in a terrorist attack in Aden, Yemen, Oct. 12, 2000, USS Cole (DDG 67) will depart Pascagoula, Miss., today, and will return to its homeport of Norfolk, Va.

Cole was in the Yemini port for a refueling stop when a small boat laden with explosives was detonated beside the ship, blasting a hole in its side. Following the attack in which 17 Sailors were killed and 39 were injured, Cole was returned to the U.S. aboard the Norwegian heavy transport ship M/V Blue Marlin owned by Offshore Heavy Transport of Oslo, Norway.


04-12-2004, 11:28 PM
...Oh, and it's not trivial because every young service man or woman who is killed or injured has a family who loves them...

stan v
04-12-2004, 11:28 PM
Yet, in January 2000 a similar attempt was made on the USS Sullivan? 10 months later they succeeded?


04-12-2004, 11:30 PM
From the "Private Ryan" thread:

Originally posted by Paul Scheuer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Incidentally, at least with sons, it's been DoD policy to not have brothers serving in the same theatre since WW II.
If you're thinkin gof the so-called Sullivan Rule, it is a myth.</font>[/QUOTE]Not quite a myth - although it might be limited to the Navy:

04-12-2004, 11:33 PM
"...In January 2000, 10 months before the attack on USS COLE (DDG 67) in Aden, USS THE SULLIVANS was the target of a failed terrorist attack in the harbor of Aden, Yemen.."

stan v
04-12-2004, 11:35 PM
I wonder what Richard Clarke had to say about that?

04-13-2004, 03:22 PM
Richard Clarke said it made it very clear that Al Qaeda was trying to attack the U.S.

He was frustrated by the fact that the new president failed to respond to the attack or act to prevent future attacks.

<font size=1>Have you been living in a cage</font>

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-13-2004, 03:39 PM
Interesting technology and size on the ship that transported the Cole back to the US


04-13-2004, 03:50 PM
...whose watch did this happen on?.... http://www.usswaddell.com/History/stark/stark1.jpg

04-13-2004, 04:15 PM
May 17, 1987.

Wasn't Cheney Secretary of Defense? Wasn't Rumsfeld over there shaking Saddam's hand?

04-13-2004, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Ironmule:
One of ljb5's fond remembrances is that Clark has been in government since the Reagan administration, which is when Rumsfeld did the handshake. '81 wasn't it?

Jeff SmithI thought it was '83. Clarke was a Republican then. I don't have to explain or justify that.

Captain Pre-Capsize
04-13-2004, 10:19 PM
You got it wrong fellows, as a native Iowan the Sullivans were not from Iowa. Seems to me they were from another plains state. Perhaps Kansas or Nebraska...

J. Dillon
04-13-2004, 10:27 PM
I've often asked my self, why was the USS Cole refueling in such a port ? :confused: We always refueled at sea with lots of air cover.


Jim H
04-13-2004, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by ljb5:
Richard Clarke said it made it very clear that Al Qaeda was trying to attack the U.S.
He was frustrated by the fact that the new president failed to respond to the attack or act to prevent future attacks.In fact, he was so outraged by the shame and injustice he witnessed that he spent 2 & 1/2 years writing a book so that he could release it on the eve of his public testimony. The American people have a right to know (the facts as I distort them so I can get a fat book advance). It was so important to him he waited almost three years to reveal the shameful truth. :rolleyes:

Jim H
04-13-2004, 10:37 PM
Bacxk on topic the Sullivan brothers were from Waterloo, Iowa.

Department of the Navy -- Naval Historical Center (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq72-1.htm)


All five were assigned to the commissioning crew of USS Juneau (CL-52) in February 1942. They remained with the ship through her Atlantic shakedown operations and subsequent combat actions in the Guadalcanal Campaign. All were lost with her on 13 November 1942.

Jack Heinlen
04-13-2004, 11:00 PM
Well, brave men from the U.S. aboard a new cruiser.

God rest their souls, and the souls of the Japanese they killed going down.