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SandMaster
09-03-2005, 09:20 AM
I wonder if I can take control again.

imported_Daniel
09-03-2005, 09:22 AM
Hmmmm, guess thats up to you now, isnt it?

Katherine
09-03-2005, 09:23 AM
Where's your local chapter of AA?

SandMaster
09-03-2005, 09:24 AM
I have no idea katherine. I can do it by myself anyway if I apply myself.

Katherine
09-03-2005, 09:26 AM
Serious addictions usually require a strong support system. Look up the AA chapters on line.

George.
09-03-2005, 09:36 AM
He has a serious addiction all right - but it ain't (just) alcohol. ;)

LeeG
09-03-2005, 09:37 AM
you weren't in control "before".
quit the bs.

Joe (SoCal)
09-03-2005, 09:38 AM
Recovery is for quitters

http://sidesplitters.catastrophe.net/arch/2004/drunk-Day_after1.jpg

Mountain Momma :D

[ 09-03-2005, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Leon m
09-03-2005, 09:38 AM
I'm pulling for you...good luck.

LeeG
09-03-2005, 09:59 AM
I knew a young woman just that pretty in the neighbors back yard without any clothes on and unconcious. Once you put some vomit around it's not as stunning a repose.
Then imagine that same young woman ten years later bringing up kids with such a zest for life,,but having to get taken away because she's now unconcious in parking lot and it's just a part of life, "I'm just tired ossifer"

Larry P.
09-03-2005, 10:01 AM
When an addict hits bottom they can make a cry for help in many ways, visit this web page and make a call:

web page (http://www.ndiaa.org/)

good luck

Venchka
09-03-2005, 10:05 AM
Dunno what it takes. Feeling the effects of trying to get my son-in-law straight. I reckon it takes several tries. Maybe when you hit bottom you'll figure a way to get back up.

I know one thing. Anyone who hasn't been there don't know Jack about your situation. They can't say or do what you need to help you. Seek help from those who have been there. They know Jack about your situation. AA works. Do it. But what do I know, eh?

Wayne
Dazed & Confused. :D

Katherine
09-03-2005, 10:09 AM
That photo is revolting and sad. :(

Joe (SoCal)
09-03-2005, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Katherine:
That photo is revolting and sad. :( Tell ya whats sad. Being a gentleman and walking a woman home because she tried to get into her car in that condition. Arriving at her front door and her two teenage kids saying thank you and pleading for there mom to come inside, as the mom falls off the stoop into the flower garden. Thats sad.

Taking SandMaster ( AKA Dutch ) plea seriously well thats just plain stupid. ;) tongue.gif

capt jake
09-03-2005, 10:18 AM
You will have to reach 'your' bottom. It is only then that you will make a commitment. You do have to have a support system of some sort; AA is not for everyone, though a lot of people have great success with it.

Once you reach your 'bottom'; never forget the feelings of thoughts of that moment! It will take a long time, sometimes months before you see the fruits of your efforts. Your efforts will be more profound when looking back on the 'bottom' time.

You will have 'triggers' and temptations; that is all normal and part of the new learning curve. remeber, this is a 'new' life; you have to re-learn even the simplest things again(in order to cope).

Count the days at first, then the months, soon it will be years! This may be the ONE thing in life that you truely do for YOU. Nobody else can give it to you. Nobody will give you a 'reward' for achieving sobriety. Only YOU can reward yourself with your new found life.

You will have hard days, but always keep the end goal in the forefront of your mind. It will become less of an efofrt as time passes, though remember, you will always be suseptable to temptation, just don't give in. ;) ;)

SandMaster
09-03-2005, 10:28 AM
Thank you everyone that contributed positives.

Ive known you Leon thrugh this screen for a while so thank you espeacially. I respect you.


You will have to reach 'your' bottom. :rolleyes: That is what I am afraid of. I dont think Ive gotten there yet.

SandMaster
09-03-2005, 10:31 AM
I always have an excuse to drink.

For the past couple months it was an undiagnosed medical condition.

Now its the hell of the gulf coast.

I know I need to stop drinking so much, but even now am drinking a red eye to feel somewhat normal.

Memphis Mike
09-03-2005, 10:33 AM
If you have any friends in AA then call one of them and tell them you want to go to a meeting. It's a lot easier to go with someone than to go by yourself.

Believe me. I'm the King Of relapses. ;)

If you are a total newcomer, then tell them at the meeting.

Good luck with it Dutch. smile.gif

BTW, you could also start by telling us who you really are.

If you are just trolling, then it's about the nastiest thing anyone has ever done on this forum.

If you are really serious then take the advice given.

[ 09-03-2005, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

capt jake
09-03-2005, 10:33 AM
That is what I am afraid of. I dont think Ive gotten there yet. Reaching bottom is what will give you better odds of success. Problem is, you usually reach it, sleep it off and start all over again. ;) Intensive in-patient works for a lot of people in this situation. It is voluntary, though you have more support and a 'commitment' to the program.

If you have a private DR, call him/her/ they can sometimes speed up the process of getting into (through the screening process)a program.

Wow, one of the few times somebody actually responds to my posts. :confused:

Joe (SoCal)
09-03-2005, 10:35 AM
http://img161.exs.cx/img161/7228/simpson4bx.jpg

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER :D

Memphis Mike
09-03-2005, 10:36 AM
Stop Joe.

JimD
09-03-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Katherine:
That photo is revolting and sad. :( Yer darn right it's sad. I can only spot one bottle of Canadian beer. The rest is all that Mexican and American stuff.

LeeG
09-03-2005, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
Thank you everyone that contributed positives.

Ive known you Leon thrugh this screen for a while so thank you espeacially. I respect you.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> You will have to reach 'your' bottom. :rolleyes: That is what I am afraid of. I dont think Ive gotten there yet.</font>[/QUOTE]As a sober alcoholic I can testify,,oh lord,that you can continue addictive behaviours like posting on internet forums so that's one thing you won't have to lose getting sober. But if you are serious about a solution it won't be in isolation with a screen for you to mediate the responses.
It's amazing how many bottoms you can find,,and anyone of them can be a platform from which to turn around,,just as every drink in s DECISION to step deeper down hill.
Seeking "positives" to pick from the "negatives" on this forum is negotiating like negotiating beer over whiskey,,or two beers instead of six.. or screaming at your wife instead of hitting her.
Sure it's better,,but is it a solution that will turn you around and walking up out of a hole?
Get in with folks who are trying to stop. It's a step.

Leon m
09-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
Thank you everyone that contributed positives.

I respect you.

.Hey Dutch my brother,you are just another person in need of help...we all need help at some point(points)in our lives. Sorry I don't know how to fix your particular problem but it sounds like there are some people here who can get you pointed in the right direction.Even though you have rubbed some people the wrong way here,I've always sensed that you had a good heart,and compasion for the world...your worth saving my friend...please take care of yourself.

Victor
09-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Alcoholism is an attitude as well as an addiction. It's a distorted communication - try to figure out what's really being said. I have every right to say this, since I used it to turn an elegant, stylish lifestyle into a pile of sh*t, and it took some doing, believe me. I would fly across the country if that's what it took, anything to avoid acting like a man. After 5 years of this, one day I just stopped, and haven't had the slightest desire to drink since, but the truth is I haven't really changed, I just found other ways to achieve the same end. I have friends who go to AA for the social activities it provides.

Tar Devil
09-03-2005, 02:34 PM
[ 09-08-2005, 12:42 AM: Message edited by: Tar Devil ]

jack grebe
09-03-2005, 05:32 PM
well said Tom...and congrats smile.gif

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
09-03-2005, 06:00 PM
When I was younger I developed a "drinking problem". I even worked as a bouncer/bartender to be close to booze at all times. It bit me in the ass and caused be great embaressment so I quit for about 15 years. Didn't drink a drop, not even 1 beer for 15 years. I have "a" (only one) beer once in a while now. I control it and don't let it control me. Thankfully I never got a DUI though the angels drove me home a few times and now I only drink when I'm home for the night. If enough bad things happen, quitting is really no problem. It's up to you to decide what is "enough".
Some will get better and some will die, the way life is my friend.

P.S. This is the real SandMaster. ;)

http://www.cannon-beach.net/sandphotos/sandphotos05/gv35505z.jpg

He won fair and square. :D

ishmael
09-03-2005, 06:04 PM
Thoughts and prayers on their way Dutch. It ain't easy.

Sorry to hijack, but how do they do that, Kevin? Sand, in my childhood experience, doesn't work that way. Epoxy! That must be it. ;)

Mrleft8
09-03-2005, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Recovery is for quitters

http://sidesplitters.catastrophe.net/arch/2004/drunk-Day_after1.jpg

Mountain Momma :D JESUS CHRIST JOE!!!!! :mad: You PROMISED not to post that picture of Carter at last year's Lawn Tractor Polo tournament!!!!! HOW could you DO that!!!?

Mrleft8
09-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Joe, Carter here, YOU PROMISED you would not share that...I am sure the forum wood enjoy the pictures of you and the pigeon sisters playimg strip shot glass checkers...which you lost SEVERELEY LOST LOST LOST only Luckey knows how much was lost! :D Love you mean it bye...but if you ever show that pic again...I will show photo's of you...hope to see you soon...! ;)

Joe (SoCal)
09-03-2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Tar Devil:
Joe, this is one of those cases where maybe we're being duped but still give the benefit of doubt. You've offered a lot of help to forum members over the years. Which is the real you?

Later,

PhilSorry Phil but I know this troll is pulling our collective leg. The fact that he would use such a sad disease as alcoholism shows the depths he will go to attain attention ( and to think people think I crave attention :rolleyes: ) If Mr KIA or you were to make such a announcement you would receive my support and heartfelt sincere willingness to do anything I could to help. See I know you I know Mr KIA even though I have never met you. You both have been very honest and open on this forum. Sandman is obviously a troll and I admit it is admirable that most have treated the problem and not the person in responding to this. It may in the end do real good to some who lurk. But this troll aint gona heed your sentiments. I actually think its kinda sick to USE this situation to troll. It makes me sick. There are real people out there suffering from this and sandman with his few post mostly Dutch like to use this forum in this way is just wrong.

Hey if he is truly suffering he should follow one of the steps in AA and be open and honest and share with us who he is and remove the Troll status allowing us to truly help the man not the screen-name, Folla ?

Joe (SoCal)
09-03-2005, 06:47 PM
Lefty :D :D :D :D :D

jaburgin
09-03-2005, 06:59 PM
It is a serious problem and it wont go away on its own, only get worse . admitting you have a problem is a huge step in the right direction , listen to tom montgomery , and capt. jake . i can say after 21 years it works !!! you can do it and theres a lot of support for you.

brad9798
09-03-2005, 07:34 PM
Drink yourself to oblivian you fool, sandmaster. :rolleyes:

NO ONE cares with your reckless disregard for respect around here.

Perhaps you will die of alc. poisoning ... ooh what a relief it is!

Phillip Allen
09-03-2005, 07:39 PM
SandMaster may die from what proceeds into his mouth...others will lose their life as it proceeds from out of their mouth...

ishmael
09-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Hey, hey, this could be a genuine call for help. It doesn't hurt you to be a bit kind. If it's a troll, so be it, ignore it if you think so.

Assuming it's genuine, nastiness could drive him off the edge. :(

jack grebe
09-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Brad...thats sick I would not wish death on anyone....thats just plain sick

brad9798
09-03-2005, 07:44 PM
NOR would I, for anyone REAL, Jack Grebe.

Please understand with whom we are dealing!

He is a troll, and a joker ... if he dies, I lose no sleep!

;)

jack grebe
09-03-2005, 07:46 PM
troll or not, if he dies,a real person somewhere dies

brad9798
09-03-2005, 07:59 PM
I won't lose sleep ... sorry! :( :(

jack grebe
09-03-2005, 08:00 PM
HEY, WE AGREE, YOUR SORRY tongue.gif

brad9798
09-03-2005, 08:04 PM
YES! Jack, I'm a bit jaded! Not going to be phony or make excuses.

:(

huisjen
09-03-2005, 08:08 PM
Do unto others, Brad, as you'd have them do unto you.

Dan

brad9798
09-03-2005, 08:12 PM
I try, Dan ... that is one of my MAIN rules in life ... but when phony folks claim sincerity, I've learned to see through it.

Like I said, I'm losing no sleep.

huisjen
09-03-2005, 08:18 PM
Then sleep, but don't maliciously wish death on someone just because they annoy you.

Dan

LeeG
09-03-2005, 08:35 PM
nope,,just do business with 'em.

Hwyl
09-03-2005, 08:40 PM
Dutch, over the years I've supported you and despised you. Right now I support you. Good luck with this fight. I'd support you over this even if I despised you (if that makes sense).

Don't believe that's a picture of Carter (Mrs Lefty) she's much prettier than that (bigger mammaries too ;) )

[ 09-03-2005, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Hwyl ]

brad9798
09-03-2005, 09:05 PM
no business (any more) ... and I don't wish death ...

Like I said (we make our own beds ... and ) I'm not gonna lose sleep over some phony balogny tongue.gif

Peter Malcolm Jardine
09-03-2005, 11:30 PM
Serious addictions usually require a strong support system. Look up the AA chapters on line. Such good advice, but with Katherine's wealth of experience and knowledge, I'm surprised she didn't volunteer to counsel you herself. :D

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
09-04-2005, 12:22 AM
posted by Tom Mongomery...."Mr. Know it All -- evidently you are not alcoholic."

------------------------------------------------

No, but I was an abusive drinker for sure.
By the grace of God I'm alive and not in jail.
My father is an alcoholic and I know the difference.
It takes 8,460 bolts to assemble an automobile, and one nut to scatter it all over the road. ;)

SandMaster
09-04-2005, 08:20 AM
As I said yesterday, thank you, who have contributed positive things here.

Joe (SoCal)
09-04-2005, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
As I said yesterday, thank you, who have contributed positive things here.Why don't you return the favor and contribute positive things in return. Be honest, be truthful stop hiding behind a troll. Share more than a cry alcohol is ruining my life. As you see people are even willing to open their hearts to a known troll. It is a wonderful thing this forum, you should try to be a part of it.

I could even grow to accept you and offer as much help as I offer to all true members of this community we call the WBF.

SOME OF THE TWELVE STEPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TOO.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

Memphis Mike
09-04-2005, 09:34 AM
"One day at a time."

capt jake
09-04-2005, 10:13 AM
thank you, who have contributed positive things here. This could also be a good thing in other sections of this forum as well. ;)

First step is usually to reach out for support. The last thing one needs is sarcastic responses (I think this is also applicable in the other sections).

As MM said, "One day at a time."

Good luck!

Tar Devil
09-04-2005, 11:51 AM
[ 09-08-2005, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: Tar Devil ]

cedar savage
09-04-2005, 12:36 PM
SandMaster:

email or PM me. I'll send you my phone number. Sometimes it really helps to be able to call someone and talk through the impulse to drink. Especially that first drink, "the hair of the dog" drink.

I've been where you are. I reached out for help. I got it.

SandMaster
09-04-2005, 10:06 PM
There is a lot to be said for being deep into your cups.

Chris Coose
09-05-2005, 04:37 PM
Sorry, though I'm tempted, I just can't take you seriously.
Send me an e-mail and I'd be glad to help sort things out, that is, if the window of opportunity is still open.

SandMaster
09-05-2005, 09:11 PM
Thanks Chris-

You I might take seriously over some of the others here. I think I can do this on my own. I see no reason why I can not just cut back - limit myself to x amounts of drinks per evening. Is there anything wrong with being a funtioning alcoholic? I mean I havent woken up in a strange place in years.

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:13 PM
:rolleyes:
http://palbum.sourceforge.net/example_album/stuff/nile%20boat,%20from%20an%20old%20national%20geogra phic.jpg

jack grebe
09-05-2005, 09:15 PM
boatporn?

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by jack grebe:
boatporn?De Nile Boat ;)

SandMaster
09-05-2005, 09:21 PM
:rolleyes: Id like to compare livers. I bet yours is fatter than mine. ;)

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
:rolleyes: Id like to compare livers. I bet yours is fatter than mine. ;) Name the nearest bar or MRI ;)

By the way a shrunken liver is a sign of alcoholism so you may be correct.


Cirrhosis: This stage is characterised by a hard, shrunken liver and is a serious, potentially fatal condition. The patient has weakness, wasting of muscles, fluid in the abdominal cavity (ascites), bleeding in the intestinal tract and coma. Jaundice, ascites, portal hypertension and other features like grossly bloated abdomen and wasting of extremities clinically manifest this state.

End-stage alcoholic: The causes of death include hepatic coma, profuse intestinal bleeding, unremitting infection, involving kidney failure and cancer of the liver.


[ 09-05-2005, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

SandMaster
09-05-2005, 09:41 PM
In the US: Approximately 15.3 million people in United States abuse or depend on alcohol. Fatty liver develops in 90-100% of patients with heavy alcohol use.
Internationally: One observational study from northern Italy demonstrated prevalence rates of steatosis in 46.4% of heavy drinkers (>60 g/d of alcohol) and in 94.5% of obese heavy drinkers.

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:44 PM
Name the nearest bar or MRI smile.gif

SandMaster
09-05-2005, 09:47 PM
I just had an mri. Im not gonna do that again.

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
I just had an mri. Im not gonna do that again.Post a photo smile.gif

Joe (SoCal)
09-05-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
I just had an mri. Im not gonna do that again.Topic: MRI
http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=025221&p=


Originally posted by Nelson:
I need to go in for one next week. They have to xray me ahead of time because I have done some welding and ground metal. What can I expect to happen? How long will it take?Eh MOUNTAIN MOMMA :D :D :D :D

Bwaaa hah ha

Meerkat
09-05-2005, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jack grebe:
boatporn?De Nile Boat ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Nope - that's a boat in de nile... ;) :D :D :D

[ 09-05-2005, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

SandMaster
09-06-2005, 06:38 AM
Can you found the one about the usual suspects getting off scot free Joe? That was a good un.

and- my films are safely in hospital storage. I dont plan on going back there anytime, soon.

jack grebe
09-06-2005, 06:56 AM
got it :D

Joe (SoCal)
09-06-2005, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
Can you found the one about the usual suspects getting off scot free Joe? That was a good un.
Maybe you should make an offering to scot,
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid183/pe9e4fe5d1b59eba3496bc320404a399d/f29fe8a4.jpg

But you might drink it before eh Mountain Momma Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha :D :D :D

[ 09-06-2005, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

cedar savage
09-06-2005, 07:13 AM
Multiple offers to help you.

You gonna contact any of us who been through this?

Or, is JoeCSOH right, at least this time?

Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?

Memphis Mike
09-06-2005, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
Thanks Chris-

You I might take seriously over some of the others here. I think I can do this on my own. I see no reason why I can not just cut back - limit myself to x amounts of drinks per evening. Is there anything wrong with being a funtioning alcoholic? I mean I havent woken up in a strange place in years.If you're an alcoholic and when you hit a sufficient bottom you'll realize why this cannot be done.

When people come into the program in complete denial, we tell them to go on back out there and try some "controlled drinking."

Have at it.

BTW, if you are an alcoholic, you won't be "functioning" for long. It's progressive.

[ 09-06-2005, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

SandMaster
09-06-2005, 07:35 AM
The ruining part only seems to come about when I overdrink Tom. What I am talking about is controlling it.

Joe (SoCal)
09-06-2005, 07:36 AM
Way back on page one of this thread I said:


Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Taking SandMaster ( AKA Dutch ) plea seriously well thats just plain stupid. ;) tongue.gif

Joe (SoCal)
09-06-2005, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
The ruining part only seems to come about when I overdrink Tom. What I am talking about is controlling it.http://magedm.freeyellow.com/Cleopatraboat.jpg

Chris Coose
09-06-2005, 08:36 AM
Bill Wilson (a co-founder of AA) writes
"The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistance of this illusion is astonishing....We alcoholics are men and women who have lost the ability to control our drinking. We know that no real alcoholic ever recovers control. All of us have felt at times that we were regaining control, but such intervals- usually brief- were inevitably followed by still less control, which led in time to pitiful incomprehensible demoralization."

I am more able to control an onset of diharrea than a glass of rum.

Wild Dingo
09-06-2005, 09:08 AM
Hello my name is Shane and Im an alcoholic

Ive been sober for 15 years... well aside from 2 beers a few weeks ago and that was strange because I didnt want need or desire any more than just those 2... but I am an alcoholic.

Its a sad fact that alcohol is a problem for many many people... weather that person is a social drinker who cant say no or it be someone who has that secret stash at the office in the car in the cupboard in the shed or it be a binge drinker or out and out drunk... gettin help and support is extremely important!

Very few are the drunks social drinkers and binge drinker who can stop of their own volition... it can be done... but very few can do it... and that is just a fact it is not as easy some say that giving up heroin is easier than giving up booze and it is so.

Its bloody hard... the choices you have to make will mean some extreme changes in lifestyle choices social changes freinds will go by the wayside and some have lost partners... the choice and cost is what you have to decide what your prepared to pay...

But help you should get if as you title the thread "alcohol is ruining my life" if its doing that the yelling for help here isnt what you need... you need to get help! AA or a counsellor but get help... a counsellor is probably not the better choice since you will need access to someone 24/7 and a counsellor is rarely available 24/7... you say you should be able to do it yourself? if you REALLY believed that you would have begun to make the choices and changes that you would KNOW you will have to make... but still you continue to say its a problem... it takes an immense amount of self control of self will and focus every waking hour... but it can be done... even then you should have beside you someone who you respect love and care for enough to want to help you change and even then they have to be prepared to watch you go through what you will go through... most are not and many are those that do who wont understand what you are going through... you will be on your own for the most part GET HELP from people who are there where you are

You will not be able to do it yourself! GET HELP!

Many here have offered to help offered to be the phone call... take the help offered in the spirit its offered take a chance on you and them that they can and will help you change your life.

Much of the changes you will have to make you wont want to make... but the hard choice is either make them or continue to ruin your life... it really is that simple.

If you dont have support GET IT! and do it now while you know and accept that you have a problem with alcohol that is "ruining your life" cause it wont be long till that recognition begins to wane and then the slope gets a whole lot slipperyer... you need to make the changes and choices while your able to recognise and appreciate that they are needed to get your life back on track.

Alcoholics come from all socio-economic backgrounds from all ethnic backgrounds all religious backgrounds... in other words there are alcoholics in every facet of life be they labourers, doctors, lawyers, housewives, sailors, pilots, truck drivers, accountants, executives or warfies... it is recognizing that you have a problem and that its affecting your life to a degree that its changing your life for the worst and then getting help to change that behavior... as I said most cannot do it alone only very few can manage it... but it is not easy it is VERY BLOODY HARD... and a daily thing you will have to face every day in your journey through life.

You will see people enjoying themselves drinking (ala Joe and the guys during the sail on Uncas) you will see family and friends enjoying themselves drinking at family barbies and dos christmas thanksgiving etc you will see people enjoying themselves on the idiot box... but you will have to take yourself to task and be stronger than you ever imagined you could be... when your brother or father or uncle offers you a drink with the "comeon mate have a beer with me" you are going to have to say "no I cant mate Im an alcoholic" and they are going to have to respect that... many wont many will laugh at you many will disbelieve you many will ignore you and continue to try to hand you one but you are going to have to continue to say "no" eventually they will stop

You will loose friends... they wont want to be with you because you no longer drink with them not any fun anymore sort of thing... they will go... you will loose business associates they wont want to be associated with a person who aknowledges their problem drinking... times will get tuff as hell...

but perservere and the rewards are thousand fold, your life will change and get better... but get help.

That goes for anyone else who has a drinking problem! (other than those who have a problem drinkin enough! :D )

Help is there... get it.

Jim Mathieson
09-06-2005, 01:20 PM
Hi;my name is Jim and I'm an alcoholic.....

I hate that name...couldn't we just say
"my wife has a drinking problem....ahh ..me."

Well said everyone ,been sober 18 years ,never thought I could laugh without a drink,or have fun.
Can do both and wouldn't be building a R.Woods Cat if I as drinkin.
Get a friend somehow who is sober.
Seems you've a few here ,it saved me.

LeeG
09-06-2005, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
The ruining part only seems to come about when I overdrink Tom. What I am talking about is controlling it.My take is that you're full of it know you're hitting the right keys to get a response.

"alcohol is ruining my life"

Only you care, it's your life. An alcoholic will lose a LOT and miss a lot of opportunities(whew,won't miss what you never got) before losing drinking.

"the ruining part only seems to come about when.."

Right,, push the keys,,

Joe (SoCal)
09-06-2005, 01:46 PM
Well said Jim and all those that have contributed to this thread in a positive way. I think this thread may be beneficial for some lurkers or anyone else out there about to hit bottom or already hit bottom. Not for the individual who started it. So maybe some good will eventually come from this fallacious plea for help.

I had a tenant in my barn, great guy. I loved him. Salt of the earth sweetheart of a guy. I knew he had a problem and told him if he ever needed help I was there for him. Saw him one morning a shell of a shivering man shoveling his car out of a snow mound in my driveway. I looked at him and said what's up. He looked at me with hallow eyes and tears streaming down his face. Said he needed to check himself in someplace. I said put the shovel down you live among friends and I will drive you. I told him to call me when he needed a ride home.

He went in for 60 days. Came out looking worse than when he went in. I picked him up. About a year and 1/2 later he came to me telling me he was going to a special place for 90 days and he might not be able to keep his apt with me. I said don't worry about it, the last thing he needed was to worry about being homeless, he always had a place if he needed it. We ended up working out an arrangement where we rented his place for the summer furnished and it more than paid for his absence, God does help the drunks. He came back with new vigor and desire to stay sober. his job had a 3 strike your out rule and they paid for the 2 sessions in rehab. I had some work that needed to be done in his apt. I got his permission to do the work when he was at work. I opened his fridge and there was a fresh six pack. I promptly removed and put in my fridge. When he came home I told him about it. He said oh oh that was for guests I told he he should not have those types of guests, but it's his life.

He was caught driving his boss from the airport with booze on his breath. He was let go of his job. His car was taken away and he had to move into a halfway house. I gave him his deposit back and wished him the best of luck, but there was nothing more I could do.

[ 09-06-2005, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

LeeG
09-06-2005, 01:59 PM
so speaking of disasters,homeland security, emergency preparedness and first responders.
Any thoughts how much of an EMT/police/firemans time is spent dealing with drunks/addicts, functional or not?

In a way drunks are like little terrists. In a city with a couple of ambulances you could be arriving at an auto accident where the Benz driver is metabalizing three martinis and "having dificulty breathing",,or driving from someone from the hood as a taxi driver because "he's just not right, please do something".

Yep,,,George could get the GWOT behind this,,maybe the Bush daughters could work it in.

[ 09-06-2005, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

Dale R. Hamilton
09-06-2005, 02:59 PM
Well I DID CONTROL IT! I suppose that means I was never an alcoholic to begin with. I'd come home from work every day and have a drink- an aparatif to wake up my taste buds for dinner- of course I put a shot of gin in it, and I might have several. Then there was wine with dinner, and sometime after dinner I'd convert over to scotch and this would go on til bedtime. That was every day, and I finally decided I couldn't put up with the hundreds of extra calories. Also, I'm a morning runner, and I finally realized how damn tough it is to get up at 5:45 AM after a night of drinking and go run 4 miles. I was spending about $100 a week on whiskey, wine, and beer- with SWIMBO helping a little bit. So July 1st, this year, I decided to quit drinking thru the week- I'll only drink Friday- Sunday night. This has worked. I miss it thru the week, and in the begining I had some trouble sleeping. I do not compensate during the weekend but drink more or less normally (for me). My booze bill is cut in half, I feel very much better in the mornings, and I anticipate being able to continue this indefinately. Hope maybe this would work for others.

Meerkat
09-06-2005, 04:27 PM
COME ON ALCOHOL! Put us out of his misery! tongue.gif

Chris Coose
09-06-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
COME ON ALCOHOL! Put us out of his misery! tongue.gif Considering the writings of most of the sober wack jobs here at the forum I'm hoping he remains drunk. Magine this guy stark raving sober?

Maybe we could get Scot to put together a fund where we could create a perpetual supply of cheep, high test vodka delivered to Buffalo.

Meerkat
09-06-2005, 05:16 PM
:D

SandMaster
09-06-2005, 06:53 PM
Thanks Dale - that is the plan.

Memphis Mike
09-06-2005, 09:56 PM
There are exceptions to the rule.

As for me, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that if I take one drink, I'm gonna get drunk. And I don't know how long that drunk will last. It's been proven time and again.

I'm glad I didn't have to do that to myself today. smile.gif

Let us know how it's going a month from now Dutch.

[ 09-06-2005, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

Wild Dingo
09-06-2005, 10:23 PM
Hang in there Mikey!! :cool:

Cheers to all who have contributed and have or are weathering the storm of alcoholism... well done good on yer and keep at it!

Dale as I said some can... many cant sadly many many many more cant and need help... you were lucky? if thats the right word but if you did it without help then... good on yer mate well done and keep at it!!

Cheers all...

Joeboys got a wee problem too but he knows it... he has too much bloody fun!! :eek: mongrel soddin new yorker! :D :D tongue.gif

capt jake
09-06-2005, 10:36 PM
Like MM said, one will certainly lead to another, and another and so on. ;)

Me, I never had a problem; only two beers per night. Now they were 100oz + each mind you. :eek: smile.gif

I just recieved my 1 year coin from my father (who has been sober for over 15 years now); my 'official' one year birthday is the end of the month. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Edited for Dingos clarification. ;) ;)

[ 09-07-2005, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: capt jake ]

Wild Dingo
09-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by capt jake:
I just recieved a 1 year coin from my father, who has been sober for over 15 years now. My 'official' birthday is the end of the month. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif YOUR ONLY 1 year old Jake? :eek: or is it 15 years old?? man thats a confusing statement!! :eek: ;)

jaburgin
09-06-2005, 11:15 PM
way to go , capt jake!

Memphis Mike
09-07-2005, 07:08 AM
Congratulations Jake!

Dale R. Hamilton
09-07-2005, 01:54 PM
Sandmaster: Some things that helped me.
1. Must break the routine- I'd come home, fix a drink then go sit in my favorite chair. Now, first thing I take a long hot shower, and go sit in a different chair.

2. Dinner was never complete without a drink- So now I have a big diet drink with a lemon floating in it.

3.. Hard to fall asleep at night without a drink-but hot chocolate seems to do the trick too.

Anyway, there's no eureka stuff here- just some odd notes that seem to have helped me. How about it guys- anything you can add?

jaburgin
09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
yes i agree big changes are needed and get away from current crowd, the program really helps most.

George.
09-07-2005, 02:21 PM
Quitting the WBF would help more than anything.

SandMaster
09-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Thank you for the advice Dale and jaburgin.

[ 09-07-2005, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: SandMaster ]

Chris Coose
09-07-2005, 08:49 PM
Dutch If you are a real alcoholic you're plans are futile. If you are a heavy drinker you may be successful in controling your use.
The qualifying definition of an alcoholic is one who cannot drink in safety.

As they say in AA, hats off to you if you are able to drink like normal people.

Meerkat
09-07-2005, 10:13 PM
No offense intended, but I've never seen the appeal of alcohol. Toking is far more civilized ;)

SandMaster
09-07-2005, 10:16 PM
Chris, I have never seen a definitive test for alcoholism offered. Have you? I am guessing that if what I have heard here from some reformed drinkers, then I may not have long to find out whether I am a drunk or an alcoholic. Its already gone beyond the point of just having a good time.

[ 09-07-2005, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: SandMaster ]

Joe (SoCal)
09-07-2005, 10:19 PM
Do they make 2% alcohol you could give that a try. :D

Ross M
09-07-2005, 10:21 PM
:D :D

capt jake
09-07-2005, 10:23 PM
Its already gone beyond the point of just having a good time. I think you answered your own question. ;)

SandMaster
09-07-2005, 10:32 PM
At least I am man enough to admit it. ;)

capt jake
09-07-2005, 10:35 PM
At least I am man enough to admit it. That is the very first step! Now the willpower to put it into action in a positive way! One day at a time, as has already been said. ;)

Good luck! smile.gif

SandMaster
09-07-2005, 10:41 PM
Thanks Cap'n. I am working on er

Peter Malcolm Jardine
09-07-2005, 10:41 PM
At least I am man enough to admit it. [Wink] but not quite man enough to post under your own name yet.....

Where's Jill?

Joe (SoCal)
09-07-2005, 10:44 PM
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Al Kahawl
09-07-2005, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
COME ON ALCOHOL! Put us out of his misery! tongue.gif OK, here I is at yer service, whatcha want done?

Joe (SoCal)
09-08-2005, 12:42 AM
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Meerkat
09-08-2005, 12:53 AM
Bottom line: it's your life. If it's getting ruined, it's your doing and you're just using alcohol as the instrument/excuse. Alcohol doesn't ruin lives, people ruin lives.

Wild Dingo
09-08-2005, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by capt jake:
I just recieved my 1 year coin from my father (who has been sober for over 15 years now); my 'official' one year birthday is the end of the month. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Edited for Dingos clarification. ;) ;) Sooooooooo when yer gonna clarify??? :rolleyes: I mean whats it mean? are you 1 year old officially that would mean yer a leap year hoon right? an if so then yer 4 years old right? WHAT the blazes are yer doin on this thing at 4 flamin years old eh? an whats with building a beautiful kayak and a guitar with your "son" eh?? whassat?? I mean geeeeeeeeeeehazus yous blokes start young!!! 4 and already has a sone??? ggoooddd gawd maude! :eek:

Chris Coose
09-08-2005, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
Chris, I have never seen a definitive test for alcoholism offered. Have you? There is no definitive test.
It is a unique medical condition. Best treatment comes from self diagnosis.

One thing we do scale up on intake is a person's motivation. You seem to be getting there.

More from Bill Wilson:
"We do not like to pronounce any individual as alcoholic, but you can quickly diagnose yourself. Step over to the nearest barroom and try some controlled drinking. Try to stop abruptly. Try it more than once. It will not take long for you to decide, if you are honest with yourself about it."

This little paragraph speaks volumes. It addresses the self diagnosis which is of utmost importance. It also offers the candidate for abstinence an open invitation to go get wrecked for potentially as long as they want to to discover their bottom (motivation).

The gift of desperation is a very important gift in this regard.

Memphis Mike
09-08-2005, 07:18 AM
"Sooooooooo when yer gonna clarify??? I mean whats it mean? are you 1 year old officially that would mean yer a leap year hoon right?"

Shane, in most AA groups a chip system is used to mark the time you have achieved sober.

In my group, we have red, white and blue poker chips.

The white chip is for the newcomer or those returning from a relapse. Thw white chip is carried for 90 days clean and sober.

Upon completion of 90 days a red chip is issued and carried for another 90 days at which time a blue chip is issued.

The blue chip is carried to the end of the year.

At the end of the year a one year medallion is given to the person who spent the year clean and sober. At 2 years, a 2 year medallion and so forth and so on.

We have birthday parties to celebrate these occasions which usually involve a speaker and the formal presentation of the medallions to the rescipients.

It a way to give folks a feeling of accomplishment.

Wild Dingo
09-08-2005, 07:34 AM
Thanks Mike!! :cool: Hope your goin okay mate

WAHOOOOOO!! Well done Jake! :cool:

Now havin just said that I will now admit I gave up my way... the hard way just stopped poured all the booze out down the drain threw the stubbies and bottles in the bin... changed jobs... moved towns and had my wife and little ones as my total motivation... choice was given my suitcases were packed and on the verandah "me an the hoons or the drink"

I chose her and the hoons it was a no brainer

Ive struggled off an on over the years hell yes!! ****e yes!! but you know what? I have it beaten I dont like it and dont enjoy it nor do I even enjoy the taste of booze... just uninterested now

It doesnt interest me anymore and doesnt come into any of my stress relief methods... no one asks me if I want one anymore cause I will say no... and I tell you whats bloody harder to give up?!! SMOKING... hardest thing Ive ever tried to give up is the damned smokes

Keep at it!! :cool:

LeeG
09-08-2005, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by SandMaster:
The ruining part only seems to come about when I overdrink Tom. What I am talking about is controlling it.whoever you are. You say you have a problem. You say it's ruining your life. You haven't quite said you need help.
Alcohol is not a food. Alcohol is not a nutrient. Alcohol is not housing,family or friends. Alcohol is a depressant/drug that affects your ability to form thoughts of self and solutions to burning your fingers on the stove. It goes through the brain stem cultivating that primitive reptilian feeling,,kill it, eat it, or run from it...or maybe screw it.

Some drugs are fun, some drugs are useful, over ones life repeated exposure to some compounds increase the risk of sensitization and/or reaction like cancer causing chemicals or exposure to epoxy. Maybe at age 20 the risk was interesting choice in mates,,maybe at age30 it was less than stellar parenting,,maybe at 40 it was more dificulty than necessary handling lifes challenges..etc. But like epoxy sensitization if the hook is in what's the reward in actually putting it in you, and continuing the reaction?
By the time alcohol is an integral part of your life you aren't controlling it. It's controlling you in a different way.
Maybe you could be like the person who has lived five years past a cancer treatment with little risk of remission,,,but you actually have to do the five years. If it's a struggle then that's as good a test as any that it's worth trying.

Joe (SoCal)
09-22-2005, 07:17 AM
I wonder how this turned out?

cedar savage
09-22-2005, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
I wonder how this turned out?And mountain mama's tumour??? Is "she" up and around yet?

capt jake
09-30-2005, 08:10 PM
I was just wondering if you are suceeding in your effort, Sandmaster???

I am celebrating my one year 'birthday' today (one year sober)!!! smile.gif smile.gif Glass of fruit juice and a little ice cream later. ;) ;) ;)

I only wish I done this years ago!

Cheers! ;) smile.gif

Joe (SoCal)
09-30-2005, 08:22 PM
Cheers capt jake
Im joining ya tonight by dipping yet another oreo into cold milk smile.gif

[ 09-30-2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Chris Coose
09-30-2005, 08:27 PM
It appears sandmaster died from his progressive fatal illness.

I joined about 120 others tonight in celebration of another day of doing something quite contrary to our nature.

Gongrats Jake it gets even better.

[ 09-30-2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Chris Coose ]

brad9798
09-30-2005, 08:41 PM
Sandmaster's dead ... ;) finally ... :rolleyes: tongue.gif

Granville
09-30-2005, 10:30 PM
hey capn, good to see you here!

congratulations on all your hard work paying off!

Memphis Mike
09-30-2005, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by capt jake:
I was just wondering if you are suceeding in your effort, Sandmaster???

I am celebrating my one year 'birthday' today (one year sober)!!! smile.gif smile.gif Glass of fruit juice and a little ice cream later. ;) ;) ;)

I only wish I done this years ago!

Cheers! ;) smile.gif Congrats Jake! That's quite an accomplishment. smile.gif

Don't let up on it.

[ 10-01-2005, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

Joe (SoCal)
10-01-2005, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by Granville:
hey capn, good to see you here!

congratulations on all your hard work paying off!Sandmaster's dead ... finally .. NOT :rolleyes:

Sandmaster = Granville = SOD ( Same Old Dutch )

capt jake
10-01-2005, 11:53 AM
Sandmaster = Granville = SOD ( Same Old Dutch ) I can't keep up with the changing personalities, and I wonder how you folks do.

Anyway, it looks like his efforts where short lived. The first few months were the toughest on the willpower....... ;)

Bob Cleek
10-01-2005, 03:21 PM
Mountain Mama is alive and well!

http://www.davidgregory.f2s.com/umm_jpg.jpg

I need a drink!

[ 10-01-2005, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Bob Cleek ]

Granville
10-01-2005, 03:26 PM
yer all just jealous :(

Joe (SoCal)
10-01-2005, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Granville:
yer all just jealous :( IAAD

Granville
10-01-2005, 03:33 PM
SOJ

Joe (SoCal)
10-01-2005, 04:54 PM
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[ 10-01-2005, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Paul G
10-02-2005, 03:53 AM
If your are experiencing problems with your drinking you may find the following list of problems and remedy's of some use to you!

Problem 1: Drinking fails to give any satisfaction or taste. Front of shirt is wet.
Reason: Mouth not open while drinking, or glass applied to wrong part of face.
Remedy: Buy another Pint and practice in front of a mirror. Continue with as many Pints as necessary until drinking technique is perfected.

Problem 2: Drink fails to give any satisfaction or taste. Beer is unusually pale and clear.
Reason: Glass empty.
Remedy: Find someone who will buy you another Pint.

Problem 3: Peanuts are unusually tasteless and difficult to chew.
Reason: You are eating your remaining money.
Remedy: Try and save any notes. Loudly accuse the bar of giving you counterfeit money.

Problem 4: Feet cold and wet.
Reason: Glass being held at wrong angle.
Remedy: Turn glass the other way so that the open end is pointing upwards.

Problem 5: Feet warm and wet.
Reason: Loss of self control.
Remedy: Go and stand next to the nearest dog. After a while complain to the owner and demand a Pint in compensation.

Problem 6: Bar blurred.
Reason: You are looking through bottom of empty glass.
Remedy: See remedy No. 2.

Problem 7: Bar swaying.
Reason: Air turbulence unusually high maybe due to darts match in progress.
Remedy: Insert broom handle down back of jacket.

Problem 8: Bar moving.
Reason: You are being carried out.
Remedy: Find out if you are being taken to another pub. If not complain loudly that you are being kidnapped.

Problem 9: The barmaid dressed in the green uniform refuses to talk to you.
Reason: You are talking to the rubber plant.
Remedy: If you are sitting on a barstool then you are probably at the bar already. Turn around and try again.

Problem 10: You notice that the wall opposite is covered with ceiling tiles and has light fittings in it.
Reason: You have fallen over backwards.
Remedy: If your glass is full and no-one is standing on your drinking arm, stay put. If not get someone to help you up and lash yourself to the bar.

Problem 11: Everything has gone dim and you have a mouthful of cigarette butts and broken teeth.
Reason: You have fallen over forwards.
Remedy: As for the previous problem.

Problem 12: You feel sharp pains in your rear.
Reason: You are standing too close to the pool table.
Remedy: Ask to have the pool table moved.

Problem 13: Everything is going dark.
Reason: The pub is closing.
Remedy: (a) Panic (b) Find another pub (c) Run to the bottle shop

Problem 14: You wake up and find your bed hard, cold and wet. No bedroom walls or ceiling.
Reason: You've spent the night in the gutter.
Remedy: Check your watch to see if it is opening time. If not, treat yourself to a sleep in.

Granville
10-02-2005, 10:40 AM
I think that being able to control the implulse of having that last "nightcap" is an important step in the right direction. Its too easy to say "just one more be fore I hit the sack". I have been able to do that as of late.

Joe (SoCal)
10-02-2005, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Granville:
I think that being able to control the implulse of having that last "nightcap" is an important step in the right direction. Its too easy to say "just one more be fore I hit the sack". I have been able to do that as of late.Amazing similarity between Granville & SandMater eh? ;) :D