View Full Version : U.S. killing more civilians than Insurgents

09-27-2004, 10:10 AM
From Knight-Ridder (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002045903_civilians25.html)

Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis most of them civilians as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry.
Iraqi officials said the statistics proved that U.S. airstrikes intended for insurgents also were killing large numbers of civilians. Some say these casualties are undermining popular acceptance of the American-backed interim government.I can't figure out why they won't welcome us with open arms.

09-27-2004, 10:12 AM
slow down ljb,,looking for a fight won't win won. Let someone throw a punch first.

09-27-2004, 11:45 AM
I'm not looking for a fight. I'm just spreading the truth.

How people react to the truth speaks volumes about them and nothing about me.

[ 09-27-2004, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: ljb5 ]

Osborne Russel
09-27-2004, 02:07 PM
You may recall we were winning, officially, in Viet Nam until we lost.

If a rocket hits a building and kills six, they were insurgents. If it misses, they aren't. See how it works? If they're dead, they were insurgents. Why else would we have killed them? The United States doesn't go around haphazardly killing people under the influence of a delusional world view -- and we never have.

09-27-2004, 02:11 PM
Anyway, they are better off for it and we are safer because of it. Or so I've read, why even in this very forum so it must be true.

09-27-2004, 02:11 PM
"Frankly, I'm not here to persuade anyone so I don't feel obliged to conform to your ever-changing standards of decency." says Lbj5.

"As Ironmule asked, whats your point in posting all this political rhetoric then? 2281 posts since you came in January. Over 9 per day, every day. I can safely say over 95% are politics.

Trying to show off? Practicing for a run for office?
What could be your point in all the posts?"

09-27-2004, 02:16 PM
'Cause I enjoy it. smile.gif

If, by happenstance, some logic shall fall upon your darkened world and provide you with a brief gleem of intelligence, I certainly won't object, but that's not why I post here.

09-27-2004, 02:21 PM
Condescension doesn't become you Ljb5.

09-27-2004, 03:37 PM
and now this

U.S. Soldiers Charged in Death of Iraqi

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Two U.S. soldiers have been charged with murder in the death of an Iraqi civilian, the 1st Cavalry Division announced Monday.

A military statement identified the soldiers as Staff Sgt. Johnny Horne Jr. and Staff Sgt. Cardenas Alban, both from Company C, 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment from Fort Riley, Kan.

The military declined to provide details about the case, saying an investigation is ongoing.

But the statement said the alleged incidents are not related to murder charges filed against Sgt. Michael Williams and Spc. Brent May, from the same unit. They were charged in the deaths of three Iraqis, the military announced last week. Williams was also charged with obstruction of justice and making a false official statement, the military said.

Approximately 800 soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry are serving their second tour in Iraq. Post spokeswoman Sam Robinson said last week that the unit, which is part of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Armored Division, is temporarily serving with the 1st Cavalry while in Iraq.

Monday's charges were the third set of murder charges filed in just over two weeks against soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry.

On Sept. 15, prosecutors charged Sgts. Eric J. Colvin, 23, of Pappilion, Neb., and Aaron R. Stanley, 22, of Bismarck, N.D., with the shooting death of Staff Sgt. Matthew H. Werner, 30, of Oxnard, Calif., at a home in rural Clay County, about 30 miles from Fort Riley.

A second soldier, Spec. Christopher D. Hymer, 23, of Nevada, Mo., was wounded in the incident and died Saturday in a Wichita, Kan., hospital. Prosecutors had charged Colvin and Stanley with attempted first-degree murder in his shooting and expect to upgrade the charges.

Colvin and Stanley remain jailed on $1 million bond each.

(LEADS throughout to correct that military has not specified whether May and Williams are charged in deaths of Iraqi forces or civilians; ADDS background on previous murder cases)

09-27-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by ljb5:
I'm not looking for a fight. I'm just spreading the truth.

How people react to the truth speaks volumes about them and nothing about me.let the truth reveal itself. Kind of like those fonts proving that people would rather get distracted by 30yr old records instead of something like the basis for "bad intel" that came from "group-think"..golly that group-think looks a lot like no-fault leadership.
"it's not me,,it was the group",,"it's not my leadership,,it was the intel"...
"Saddam made me do it".