Fox News = Propaganda

[MJC]

Yee haw! The truth about Fox is starting to come out. Ted Turner leads the newest attack against neocon mind controllers. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4211395.stm)


...it does pose problems for our democracy when the news is 'dumbed-down'." Turner also likened the network's current popularity to Adolf Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Germany.

[High C]

:D This from the man whose own news channel (a losing competitor to FOX, BTW) came to be widely known as the "Clinton News Network" for its slavish devotion to President Clinton, and its remarkable ability to ignore the regular scandals which came out of his administration! :D :D

[ 01-27-2005, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: High C ]

[LeeG]

Just giving the customer what he wants and complements the rhetoric of the powers that be.
They hate us because we're free.

[imported_Steven Bauer]

I noticed Fox's typical reaction: they say he's losing his mind. Great journalism there Fox!

Steven

[Garrett Lowell]

I think they said a little bit more:

Fox News issued a statement, saying: "Ted is understandably bitter having lost his ratings, his network and now his mind - we wish him well."

I thought their statement was pretty funny. But I don't watch any of these network news channels. They're all propaganda, to some extent. I hate to watch TV, so I read The Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/home.asp?edition_id=10) (out of Lebanon) and the Washington Post. The Post is pretty awful and pretty racist, to be sure, but *most* of the time they will give a little play to both sides of an issue. Their sports page is EXCELLENT, as is the business section, the only two sections of the Post I read daily. The Daily Star is an excellent read and a good way to get a different view point. I usually read the whole paper on a daily basis.

[Ian McColgin]

Turner was never a liberal. Check the line-up of election commentators on three cable networks - Score next to network, list below,
Republicans or conservative commentators first, Democrat or liberal second:

FOX News 19 to 7

•Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)
•Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)
•Brian Harlan, head of officially authorized Bush-Cheney inaugural memorabilia
•Ashley Faulkner, star of "Ashley's Ad," campaign spot by pro-Bush political action committee
•Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
•Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
•Bush-Cheney '04 chief campaign strategist Matthew Dowd
•Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes
•U.S. News & World Report senior writer Michael Barone
•National Review editor Rich Lowry
•Wall Street Journal contributing editor Peggy Noonan
•Weekly Standard editor William Kristol
•Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer
•Radio host and FOX News contributor Mike Gallagher (opposite Beckel)
•Pro-Bush singer Tony Orlando
•FOX News political analyst and radio host Tony Snow
•Former Bush-Cheney '04 senior adviser Tucker Eskew
•Boxing promoter and outspoken Bush supporter Don King
•Advertising executive Jerry Della Femina (opposite Hindery, Koplovitz)

•Senator Harry Reid (D-NV)
•House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
•Democratic strategist Bob Beckel (opposite Gallagher)
•National Public Radio senior correspondent Juan Williams (opposite Barnes)
•Representative Harold Ford Jr. (D-TN)
•RTV Media chairman Kay Koplovitz (opposite Della Femina)
•InterMedia Partners chairman Leo J. Hindery Jr. (opposite Della Femina)

CNN 10 to 1

•Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
•Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
•Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA)
•Governor George Pataki (R-NY)
•Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani
•Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
•Bush senior adviser Karen Hughes
•White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card
•National Review contributing editor David Frum
•Republican author Doug Wead
Additional note: CNN political analyst Carlos Watson's Ohio citizens panel included four Republicans, one Democrat, and one swing voter. •

Senator Harry Reid (D-NV)

MSNBC 13 to 2

•Vice President Dick Cheney
•Lynne Cheney
•Senator John McCain (R-AZ)
•Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL)
•Former Representative J.C. Watts (R-OK)
•MSNBC host and Former Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
•Radio host and MSNBC contributor Monica Crowley
•Washington Times editorial page editor Tony Blankley
•Former Reagan Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein
•Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
•Bush senior adviser Karen Hughes
•Retired baseball manager Tommy Lasorda
•Bush-Cheney '04 attorney Ben Ginsberg

•Progressive blogger Ana Marie Cox (Wonkette)
•MSNBC political analyst Ron Reagan Jr. (opposite Crowley, Watts, Scarborough)

[Hope I copied the lists correctly - eyes getting a little dizzy but it's still useful to see just how liberal the media are.]

[Alan D. Hyde]

And who was Teddy married to, Ian???

Game, set, match...

Hard luck. Better luck next time.

Alan

[Garrett Lowell]

Well, Ian, given the list above, it turns out that Fox news is least likely to be biased.

Rep to Dem Ratio
Fox: 2.7:1
CNN: 10:1
MSNBC: 6.5:1

The numbers don't bear out Herr Turner's "accusation". Perhaps he is losing his mind, eh?

[High C]

Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
Turner was never a liberal.:D :D :D

[Ian McColgin]

Being conservative and marrying Jane Fonda in her next to last reincarnation are not mutually exclusive.

Turner, a fairly good sailor by the way even though he bars mere crew from using Ondine's sauna, is deeply opposed to Bush exactly because he's a traditional conservative.

The editorial slant in his media empire reflects his conservatism.

Turner, unlike Murdock, is a bit like the Wall Street Journal in that the news department has real independence from the editorial side.

[Barry]

If you haven't seen it you have to rent OUTFOXED (http://www.outfoxed.org/)

[MJC]

Turner's been thinking and talking and writing about some of the problems he sees with large, dominating media corporations for a while now.

A Turner essay on the topic in an admittedly progressive forum. (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0530-08.htm)

But you do have to wonder about anybody who divorced Jane Fonda because she wasn't liberal enough after she was born again.

[NormMessinger]

James Carville is married to whom?

Sex is a powerful force, Alan.

[LeeG]

Alan,,maybe parts of Turner are liberal and other parts are conservative,,

reality,,she flexes,,you bend or you break.

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by High C:
:D This from the man whose own news channel (a losing competitor to FOX, BTW) came to be widely known as the "Clinton News Network" for its slavish devotion to President Clinton, and its remarkable ability to ignore the regular scandals which came out of his administration! :D :D One of these days, you're going to stop jerking your knee and really think about what people are posting instead of spouting the party line.

Fox "News" is an oxymoron!

[High C]

Meer, this makes no sense. :confused:

Do you not see the hypocricy of Turner's words? Turner's CNN was, under his ownership, widely ridiculed for its bias. For him to point the finger of bias at FOX, which is whooping CNN's butt in the ratings is, well.... Turner is in no position to talk. :rolleyes:

[Meerkat]

It's not about ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or Fox particularly: it's about propaganda pumps masquerading as news outlets! :mad: Heck, even my local evening news is more "infotainment" than straight unbiased, unopinionated reporting! One gets tired of always having to separate the talking head's slant on things from the news source's slant on things from what actually happened. It's almost a relief when something like the tsunami story comes along, simply because there's less room, at least initially, for spin.

IMO, Fox is shorter on news and longer on "opinion" than many others...

I want news, not someone's views!

[Donn]

"One gets tired of always having to separate the talking head's slant on things from the news source's slant on things from what actually happened." Sounds like the bilge.

[High C]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
It's not about ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or Fox particularly: it's about propaganda pumps masquerading as news outlets! I can't disagree with you about that! Unfortunately, I can't remember a time when it was any better. redface.gif

At least it's pretty much out in the open now. The masquerade is over, and news consumers will become less gullible to the bias and spin once they realize it. They'll learn to triangulate, compare the various slants on the same story, and figure it out. It's true that we can't trust any single source to be accurate, but that's nothing new. We never could.

FOX is no better and no worse than the older networks, they just present a side that some folks aren't accustomed to seeing on the old tellie.

[ 01-27-2005, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: High C ]