View Full Version : Society for the prevention of politics on the forum.

Hugh Paterson
01-31-2002, 11:25 AM
Hey guys and gals, anyone fancy joining up for a week, cant be too hard lets see if we can talk about somthing else for a while. Happiness is a boat (that floats), Friendship, a bottle of beer and and clear skies.


01-31-2002, 11:35 AM

Well, it's hard to pronounce, but I can suggest a motto for the group:

"They can't get your goat if your goat aint there to get got."

...Now about that beer on the afterdeck...

01-31-2002, 11:41 AM
Hugh, it's all too typical of your type to suggest these pinko, knee-jerk, hedonistic pastimes, and...HELP! I'M INFECTED!

Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 11:48 AM
I guess I can clean the latrine for awhile.

Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 11:59 AM
Thank Goodness!

Roger Stouff
01-31-2002, 12:01 PM
Sounds suspiciously like a treaty to me...

Bruce Taylor
01-31-2002, 12:02 PM
Count me in.

I'm getting pretty tired of watching the Hutus and Tutsis make fierce faces at one another.

At this point someone will say: "You don't have to read the posts you don't like. Just skip over them." I've said that myself a couple of times.

The trouble is, you have to read a post before you know you shouldn't have.

Anyway, it's hard to ignore a flame. This stuff kind of jumps off the screen and spoils your good mood.

When JohnR brought this up a couple of months ago he was answered, quite eloquently, by Paul Frederiksen and Scott Rosen, and others. Well, Paul and Scott haven't been around lately, and things have gotten steadily worse. The monkeys are running the zoo.

We used to be able to talk politics without flaming one another. We can't anymore, so let's give it a break.

It isn't "politics" anyway...just a lot of American tribal infighting.

Bateau Boy
01-31-2002, 12:07 PM
Naaaa Mike , Just do your 30,000 hours of community service at Parris Island, S.C. and then Fort Bragg KP duty . I think that is a great plea aggreement http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

01-31-2002, 12:31 PM
Good idea, I'll have to monitor my Mylanta consumption during that period. Miscellaneous and lunch are a poor mix at times.

Ed Harrow
01-31-2002, 12:41 PM
I am a strong proponent of (thoughful and considered)free speech. I've argued (perhaps not too well) that political discussions are appropriate here - it's kind of how we get to know one another. Unfortunately it seems like more and more these discussions drop into the bilge and are little more than juvenile name calling mixed with such repeditive statements as to be akin to a critter chasing its tail.

More and more I'm following this creedo: If in doubt, don't.

For those intersted in attempting to bring some constructive discussions back to the cabin, I suggest you read Bloom's "Closing of the American Mind" and cogitate on it for a bit.

Alan D. Hyde
01-31-2002, 12:48 PM
It is the enigmatic and somehow elegant fate of men that all their thoughts and acts are inextricably and inexorably interconnected.

Everything we do is tied to and somehow affected by everything else we do, and have done. Our own acts can serve to make this either a blessing, or a curse.

We can no more wholly excise matters touching our lives together (which is all politics involves) from our conversation, than we can completely exclude oxygen from our breathing. Both would make us faint, shadows of ourselves.


Matt J.
01-31-2002, 12:54 PM
Politics only seem to divide by debate. I used to think miscellaneous was only boat miscellaneous; I've come to think I was wrong. I think miscellaneous is for lots of stuff; however, I still think topics leading to debate are NOT appropriate - I just don't want to argue with you people. I do that for my job, and don't want to do that here. Besides, Bruce is right, American politics alienate loads of other people.

For just a wee bit o tiller time, and maybe an occasional beer, I'll sign up. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Bob Cleek
01-31-2002, 01:08 PM
No need to get too agitated about political rants in here. It's wintertime, guys! Everybody's boat is laid up and it's raining or snowing or whatever. Too much time on our hands. It'll get back to boats once the sun starts coming back. LOL

Wayne Jeffers
01-31-2002, 01:12 PM
I think the discussion of ideas is an interesting and pleasant diversion. Please note: our disagreements are more often about fact than about principle. We have much more in common than we have things about which we disagree.

If we digress into discussing personalities, motives, and family lineage, it gets, well . . . personal.

I think we can trust ourselves to discern the difference and maintain cordial civility, perhaps with occasional course corrections.



Bruce Taylor
01-31-2002, 01:23 PM
Alan -- I'm not suggesting that we attempt to sanitize or depoliticize all forum posts. That would be futile, even if it were desirable.

But I do think we could lay off the partisan sniping for a week or two, until tempers settle. Your domestic politics are dominating this international forum, and its getting tiresome. To me, anyway.

Where's Heinlen, when you need him? We need to talk about UFOs for awhile, or Tuvan throat singing.

01-31-2002, 01:31 PM
Well, everybody knows I don't get involved in political discussions anyway, so hey, no skin off my teeth.

Bruce Taylor
01-31-2002, 01:37 PM
Great picture, Skiffs.

Wayne, I think we all like "the discussion of ideas" (your posts, for what it's worth, are unfailingly civil). But recent political threads have been pitifully short on ideas, while overflowing with invective, cant and noisy cheerleading.

I just think we blowhards should blow a little softer for awhile.

J. Dillon
01-31-2002, 01:43 PM
We're not the only ones that bash on a forum.
The difference here is we are not threatened with expulsion.

The following is a quote from the "Ship Modelers Forum's" moderator:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am at my wit's end on this subject. I just moderated another post
from an individual who obviously does not understand common courtesy
and takes some sort of odd pleasure in personally bashing other list

Derogatory comments about list members are not allowed!

Derogatory comments about any members modeling methods are not

Apparently we have people on this list that can not follow these
simple rules. I do not know how much simpler I can put it.

The following comments are unnecessary, rude, and totally off the

>Such defensiveness on Ron's part just shows a miscommunication and
>misunderstanding. I personally have the feeling that maybe he
>protests too much. Does he have an investment in model kit sales?

>Why stay stuck and too safe using simply kits all your "model
>building" lives? Maybe this is a metaphor for living...similar to
>learning how to ride a bicycle--using training wheels on your bicycle
>for a short period--but knowing when to remove them instead of
>continuing to use them as a prop until well into your teens! Silly,
> What is this, the dark ages of model boat building?

I have asked this individual to either follow the rules, unsubscribe,
or I would do it for them.

Please, please, please!!!!!! Stop these stupid comments and keep the
list to modeling subjects.

This is the last time I am going to ask this (and I will really try to
stick to that statement). From now on, anyone posting anything even
remotely resembling this type of junk is done on this list
permanently. I simply can not continue to deal with it, explaining
the rules over and over, trying to get people to be nice to each
other, etc...

For those of you who do follow the rules and play nicely, I am sorry
to take up your reading time.


01-31-2002, 01:47 PM
I'm with everyone, on this.

Let's talk about a milder form of politics. How about Canada and their politics? Has the newest party 'The Reactionary Liberal-Socialist Apologist Coalition' been given recognition in Parliament?

No one's going to call me a raving lunatic for saying this. Are they? Are they?

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Mike H.
01-31-2002, 01:55 PM
I'm packing the picnic lunch now! And the weather is even nice enough here for boating today! Yippeeee! (too bad I've gotta go to work http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif

Hugh Paterson
01-31-2002, 02:25 PM
Naughty Naughty that swear word POLITICS is creeping into the discussion Tut Tut, Sorry Don the mince beef pie was just too good to share I am now going to lie in the bath with a nice red Cabernet and a book for the next hour, to wait for the sky to fall on my head and worry about how to lose my ever expanding belly har har

see you all when I a reborn!


John of Phoenix
01-31-2002, 02:26 PM
Boy, those model builders...no sense of decorum at all. Training wheels, indeed. WHAT an insult. Really makes me appreciate the WBF all the more.

STOPIT!STOPIT! You're killing me here.

OK, I'm in but only if someone will send some inflamatory e-mails.

01-31-2002, 02:46 PM
Talking politics with civility is quite possible for anyone who truely intends to do so.Is it politics that is the issue or the manner that some have choosen in their discourse?

I don't buy the notion that civility is impossible.We have had too many civil conversations re politics in the past as evidence of that fact.

I fully enjoy the exchanges that are attempts to understand various perspectives.
Those of us who present a topic as an attempt to provoke are not responsible for the harshness that results.That responsibility is with those who allow themselves to be hooked and then respond with putdowns and all out efforts to be "right".

I want to see these political topics continue.Each of us retains the responsibility to be mindfull of this special forum.
Please do not allow it to become like the thousands of other forums wher insult and harshness are the norm.
This is about personal discipline not moritorium.


Alan D. Hyde
01-31-2002, 03:07 PM
Hear, hear.

Thanks, Daryl.

We don't learn much from dealing with people just like us. If we're to learn from people different from us in some ways (and there's much to learn from them), then we must show some respect and civility.


01-31-2002, 03:38 PM
I miss the old days. Oops. Does that make me a conservative? Dang. Now it's gotten poitical. Sorry, I'll now have to self-destruct...

01-31-2002, 05:06 PM
Kermit,what were the old days like,and what part do you miss most?

I have been around for some time now,not as long as some ,so I'm not sure I can claim the old days as mine.What I do know is that other than occasional heated arguement(which rarely if ever included name calling)and numerous rants which were in my view quite acceptable because the author usually claimed "nothing personal"at the end,this forum has been a "safe haven"for expressing my views.

The attack on 9/11 was followed by the forum becomming much more tense and volitle,yet with a few exceptions remained ok.Witness the few times we all took stock of ourselves and publicly pulled back a notch or two.

Within the last couple of months,this place has taken on a kind of aggresiveness.Some seem to want to pick fights as opposed to provoking responses of passion as Ishmael used to so cleverly do.
I'm quite sure I can not explain the difference,but it is there.

Kermit,please say more about the good ole days.


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stan v
01-31-2002, 05:39 PM
i came to this forum in search of advice on a suitable material for a rebuild on my offshore fisherman. most of you on the building forum suggested mahogany, which i really wanted anyway. you helped make my mind up. great advice, carefully stated, with sound reasoning. then i went to miscellaneous. wow! miscellaneous, was and is indeed, miscellaneous. i read most of the pages for anything that might interest me, and spent some time doing just that. global warming caught my attention, and i read most of those posts. politics was on! with mid term elections coming up, and daschle blocking w, conservative vs liberal was born. i made a comment the other day in response to someone, when i wanted to make a point without offending that person. i will do so again, now. please, don't read any anomosity into my posts, or responses. they are not meant to upset, but to better see my point of view. i am fiercly conservative, most know that by now. but, as you read more, you will understand why. thank you all, great site. stan

Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 05:48 PM
Could someone soar me a beer? Preferably a
Killians Red?

Wayne Jeffers
01-31-2002, 06:10 PM
I just finished my first Rolling Rock of the evening. Maybe I'll drink another for you, Mike.


Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 06:58 PM
Wayne, do you know where Southpoint Ohio is?
We used to drive there from Montgomery to
pick up 6 point Ohio beer. WV beer back then was only 3.2. I had a 75 Chevy Impala Coupe.
We would fill up the trunk and the back seat
with Mickeys Big Mouth, Drummond Brothers,
Rolling Rock and anything else we could get
our hands on. Party all the way there and all
the way back! I had a radial throw a steel
belt out the side on the way back once. Left the spare at home to make more room for the beer. Can you imagine? Whump, Whump, Whump all the way home.

Bruce Taylor
01-31-2002, 06:59 PM
Darryl -- You hit that nail, my friend. GOod to see you back in such fine form.

Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 07:03 PM
Darryl is my other brother.

Wayne Jeffers
01-31-2002, 07:49 PM
Yeah, Mike, I know where South Point is at. Just down U.S. 52 from Chesapeake. I grew up maybe 10-12 miles from there. Ohio, home of "high octane" beer and wine, whatever that meant. I used to drive across the Tug Fork to Kentucky and buy cigarettes for $2.62 per carton, too. Exactly $11.00 for four cartons, with tax.

When I was in college, we used to drive up to Cino's in Point Marion to buy real beer. I had a 1965 Pontiac "Star Chief" with a trunk so big we could carry three half kegs back across the border. (I should add that I could do this without removing the spare.) It was the fraternity beer truck. Never had a blowout carrying beer, either. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif


Memphis Mike
01-31-2002, 09:01 PM
My first car was a 1965 Oldsmobile Jetstar
Wayne. I bet the two were very similar.

Wild Dingo
02-01-2002, 05:27 AM
This Society thingy... Im in mate http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif From my perspective some of the more recent posts seem to be some peoples opportunistic posts simply designed to "have a go" at someone else on the forum...

I agree that some of the name calling has seemingly gotten worse recently.

I try not to comment on political posts simply because most are US politics and as I know absolutely buggar all about US politics I stay out of them.

We do still have the choice not to comment and most of us excersize that choice myself included... just as we also have the choice of not responding to offensive or plainly straight up personal attacking posts.

Ive always enjoyed the threads for the ability of the forum members to be able to turn a discussion that was heading down the sewer back on track or on another tack altogether... offensive comments not being accepted 9 times out of 10 and personal attacks being totally objected to... now they seem to be becoming the norm which is a shame.

Ive buggaring of down the gym for me excercise and then for a long soak in the hot spa.... man I gotta buy one of those things... sigh..

Take it easy

Hey welcome back into the saddle Das good to see your up and at em mate!

Hugh Paterson
02-01-2002, 05:31 AM
Rolling Rock! Mike come on and here I was thinking that you had a good sense of taste.
If you cannot find a GOOD Scottish beer at your local Licensed Store (booze shop), E mail your address and I will post you a sample of the REAL stuff. Please note this is a one off forumites, I am after all a tight fisted Scotsman.


02-01-2002, 08:06 AM
Shug, I have been provided with a bottle of 15 year Macallan single Highland malt. (birthday gift) The only Macallan available in our state run booze shops. For me it rates about 9 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Can you recommend any other of Scotlands finast single malts?

BTW, I have been a member of the POP Society since Barry Goldwater took a dive in '64.


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02-01-2002, 12:27 PM
Anybody else around here that never really 'acquired' a taste for beer? I kind of always thought bilge water was prefereable, used to try (to drink beer that is, not bilge water) but just could never really think it was worth drinking. Or am I way out here alone? Just wondering.

Wayne Jeffers
02-01-2002, 12:50 PM

Since I'm the one who brought up Rolling Rock, I gotta ask: Have you ever been to Western Pennsylvania and imbibed in a fresh, cold Rolling Rock? (The best way is straight from the long-neck bottle while listening to a blues band at one of your favorite clubs.)

The point I want to make is: For me, Rolling Rock is a local beer. I can get it fresh, I can get it cheap (hey, I'm part Scottish; Keith on my paternal grandmother's side - came here from your country in 1720), and I like it. I am persuaded that fresh means a lot for beer. By the time European beers are freighted across the big pond, moved through the warehouse, and distributed to my retailer in the middle of North America, they've lost something because they are no longer fresh. Or cheap.

While I have no doubt that Scottish beer is wonderful, it is probably more so for you than for we North American types. But, if you'll recommend some of your favorite brands, I'll keep a lookout to try some. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

And I'll second Donn's comment about beer at the ball park! Especially back in the days of local breweries, when they would bring over a fresh batch of bottles each day, and the vendors would carry fresh cold cases of bottled beer through the stands to sell.


Ron Williamson
02-01-2002, 12:50 PM
My kids don't like beer....yet.
I don't have to share...yet.

02-01-2002, 01:00 PM
Ya know I guess I will join this fine group now that you finnally started talking about the "Necter of the Gods." Beer to all you non beer drinking folks. The only problem with beer is is makes me want a cigerrete and I gave those up years ago. A list of my favorite beers starting at the top:

San Migual (Phillipino import = hard to find)
Coors (no that light crap)

Need to try that Rolling Rock. Can you beleive I went to an event the other day where you got 2 free drinks and all they had was Bud LIGHT and Miller LIGHT. Now I only weigh in about 125 and ain't never seen the day that I needed a light beer. Oh, well like the say the best beer is free beer. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif


02-01-2002, 01:30 PM
I don't think I've had a beer that you could see light through, or had to chill, in twenty years. At least it tastes like something.

When I drank beer in ernest, it was back in the days that you buy a quart of Piels of Rhinegold for less than a buck. 'Purity, Body and Flavor' (none of which was true, by the way)

02-01-2002, 01:41 PM
Shipyard brewery out of Maine is in my opinion, the best brewer in America. I absolutley love their "Blue Fin Stout".
Guinness stout in the winter, Corona in the summer.

Ian McColgin
02-01-2002, 02:00 PM
On to the highland's finest -
I'm partial to Bunnahavian (spelling as ever very approxomate)with is a nice Isley 12 yr old. I actually started on it as it was mispriced in our local packie at $9.99. Thought it would be rot gut but had to try. Amazingly, it stayed desperatly underpriced at a quarter the norm for about 5 years and I was the only one buying it. Besides, the bottle has a picture of me on it.

But try around. You can go crazey with very pricey stuff but in general 12 to 16 years will get you about as close to heaven as anyone need go. Try the different areas and styles. I'm partial to the peatiness of the Isley malts but there are other tastes and the first rule of true whiskey drinking is to be true to your own taste. even if that means you like a blend and mix cocktails. (Just don't even think of that if visiting Grana!)


Alan D. Hyde
02-01-2002, 02:13 PM
Dollar for dollar, Haig and Haig "Pinch" is not a bad buy around here.

But... Jameson's 12 year old is not bad stuff either. After all, Scotland's current population is descended from Irish settlers.


Wayne Jeffers
02-01-2002, 02:28 PM

To my taste fresh matters and fresh generally means locally brewed, wherever you happen to be. When I was young I used to go to baseball games in Cincinnati, a town with lots of German settlers and about 4 or 5 in-town breweries at that time. Whichever brand I bought at the ballpark was great. Tried them all, I think. Several were available at home, 150 miles away. Tried them there. Not so good.

Just to be picky: Two rivers meet in the 'Burgh to form the third. And the Monongahela comes from West Virginia water. I wouldn't drink water from any of them either. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif Michelle grew up in the suburbs. We both went to college an hour south of there. (Met 30 years later.)

Probably preferences in beer are like preferences in women. Whatever floats your boat. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif


Scotch is my preferred drink, too, but my tastes are obviously not so refined as yours. J & B is my usual choice. Pretty bourgeois, I suppose. But at least I drink it with nothing more than ice. Does that pass muster?


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dale o
02-01-2002, 02:36 PM
Hey, it's wooden BOAT not wooden Brain. For politics, go to cnn or politicallyfoamingatthemouth. For me, its wood and boats. Plastic sucks.

dale o
02-01-2002, 02:40 PM
(Whoops, I missed page two!)
I used to drink J&B , but I found Glenfiddich. Is Glenfiddich popular in Scotland, or is it just being marketed to us Yanks who don't know better? Tastes pretty good to me.

Bateau Boy
02-01-2002, 03:17 PM
Molson Golden hands down. (Spelling) Not responsible.

Cecil Nickerson
02-01-2002, 03:26 PM
Glenfiddich is as close to tapwater as whuskey can get (LOL). Try basting your tonsils with 16-year-old Lagavulin. For the blended scotch drinkers this is somewhat like adding grain alcohol to boat sauce with a pint of iodine thrown in. It's brutal and hairy but it'll do in a pinch (I pinched my last glass around Christmas and must refill the larder).

A' ta best,

Chris Coose
02-01-2002, 03:27 PM
Oh you guys are so sophisticated.
There was a day I may have been able to join in but looking back I'd have drank panther piss if I thought it would do the trick.

Go ahead, ask me what was my favorite drink.
I'd tell you "It's the next one."

I lost my right to drink a long time ago and thank God I got deliverd to, I guess, what is one of the next levels for those like me. The other options were grim.

Hats off to you that can funnel booze with grace. (oops there I go again, projecting my drinking style on others)

Ian McColgin
02-01-2002, 03:28 PM
Wayne, no shame. I drink Buchanan's for cheap.

The worste scot's whiskey is better than the best of anything else.

And that includes an astonishingly raw unaged Islay single malt I had recently - a good object lesson in why aging is good.

02-01-2002, 03:31 PM
Thank you for the reminder, Chris.
Sometimes I forget.

Wayne Jeffers
02-01-2002, 04:02 PM

What Rod said.

I know where you're coming from. Good for you to have the courage and ability to deal with it wisely!

After my experience while growing up with an alcoholic father, I spent a long time in fear of taking a drink, lest I end up with a problem. Happily, I found I am easily able to partake in moderation. I'm grateful for that ability. And I understand well that not everyone is so lucky.



Allen Foote
02-01-2002, 04:02 PM
Hey Chris, loss of drinking priviledges is something we have in common.

Roger Stouff
02-01-2002, 09:21 PM
All right, call me a lowlife, uncultured, tasteless Injun off the Rez, but doesn't ANYBODY like Chivas???


Chris Coose
02-02-2002, 08:13 AM
Cool Allen.
Did you ever come across Bill Wilson?

The first day being sober I went to see a counselor. I was wreck and he asked what I was most afraid of. I told him I just couldn't see myself out on the boat not drinking. He did point out that it was Dec. 23 that day and I had some time to reslove that one.
Needless to say, my fear was misplaced. I'm no longer a menace mariner. Victoria, the catboat, was quick to forgive me of my deeds

Ron Williamson
02-02-2002, 08:55 AM
Re: Rolling Rock
You guys got me in trouble with SWMBO.
The other night I was reading and not watching what was on TV(she was watching something on Fox or from Deetroit)and a Rolling Rock ad came on.
"That's supposed to be good beer" I said.
"How do you know?"was the reply,"Did you read about it on the internet?HMMMM?It sure would be nice to have THAT kind of time"
You guys better send some up here for me to qualify my statements or I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut at home http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Memphis Mike
02-02-2002, 10:10 AM
Anybody want to go to a "meetin"?

Hugh Paterson
02-02-2002, 10:20 AM
Hi all.
It may be of interest to all the whisky drinkers among you that there is a classic malts cruise normally run in the summer, nice wooden boats touring nice Scottish Whisky producers, hell of a way to spend your holiday and see a bit of the Scottish West coast. Personally I very rarely touch the stuff, I stick to Rum and ale But if there is nothing else it would have to be an Islay Malt. Never been to Western Pennsylvania Wayne, but have sampled cool Rolling Rock elswhere in the U.S. (Not too bad) but I prefer Heavier dark beers. Methinks Chris has the right idea, the best ones the next one, I would try them all if I could but my tummy aint up to it any more. too many wild nights ashore as a Matelot, its catching up with me I suppose. Ask me again tomorrow when I have been to the Bistro for dinner tonight, Think I will find a nice Bold Red to go with a big steak, Done rare of course, 4 hours to go and my tummy is rumbling yum yum yum. This fellas food is the best.

Fasting Shuggie, (got to leave some space)

Hugh Paterson
02-02-2002, 10:26 AM
P.S. I know someone who plays in the Chivas Pipe band,the stuff aint too bad when you have a source of cheap supplies hee hee hee.
These people that think piping is about the music of Scotland ehhhhhh you obviously have not seen an after competition party. Yehhaaaa

still sober!


Wild Dingo
02-02-2002, 10:41 AM
Aint that strange so many non drinkers amidst the drunks errr drinkers errrr boozers errr you know whats I mean! http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well I gots to add me two bobs worth here and although I was of the same answer as Chris and the best drink bein the best drink... I always preferred Bundaburg OP Rum to anything that was offered including all the variations of scotch brandy and wines... but for beer the last one I had before I was forced to stop slopin it up... was a local west Aussie brew called redback after the local spider... flamin nice drop actually brewed with hops as I said a flamin nice brew... and an even bigger shame that I had to stop but there you go!

Do I miss drinkin? Nope not really... well okay occasionally I drool a bit when I smell a nice brew being opened, but since its been banned totally from the house by you know who and Im not allowed any where near the local rubbity I dont get to smell it all that often... I know one thing for sure I dont miss the mornings after thats all yours guys!! http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

But I do miss an evening picnic by the shore with missus and me a bottle of a nice white and the sunset... sigh oh well maybe in another life after the hoons take flight!! http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Take it easy

Allen Foote
02-02-2002, 01:25 PM
Cool Chris. I must remember what the second A stands for. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Sam F
02-03-2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by nedL:
Anybody else around here that never really 'acquired' a taste for beer? I kind of always thought bilge water was prefereable, used to try (to drink beer that is, not bilge water) but just could never really think it was worth drinking. Or am I way out here alone? Just wondering.

I'm with you there Ned. I never made it through my first beer. My reaction was: "Pour this stuff back into the horse you got it from". http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif
It's a shame though. Not enjoying beer cuts one off from all kinds of comradere and adventures... narratives that start with: " We'd all been drinking beer and it seemed like a good idea at the time..." http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Memphis Mike
02-03-2002, 09:33 AM
I dunno Sam F. Sometimes, I'm of the opinion
that not drinking is an adventure. I mean
you ever been around a bunch of drunks with you being the only one sober? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif
Now, back to the beer. The best I ever drank
was the beer I made myself. The only experience with self induced blindness occured a day after a bout with that stuff also. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/eek.gif We had a bachelor friend of mine's kitchen converted into a micro brewery
and were brewing around 30 gallons a month.
Mostly darks, ambers and reds. And howcome
no one is sayin anything about good ol WV
Shine here. Wayne? We used to buy it "up the holler" in gallon plastic jugs. Burn it first. If it burned blue, drink up. if it burned orange, chunk it.

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Bruce Taylor
02-03-2002, 09:55 AM
The best I ever drank
was the beer I made myself

Same here. I've never tasted a homemade wine that made the grade, but beer is another story -- especially the darker ales, as you say.

John of Phoenix
02-03-2002, 10:32 AM
In the old days in Iran, they "made" a beer called Star. You couldn't get a foamy head on that stuff if it was shot from a cannon. We sent a sample to the medics for analysis and they came back something to effect, "We're not sure what this is, but we think your horse has hepatitis."

We also had a poster of W.C. Fields in a classic pose with the caption, "Ah yes, reminds me of the time we were trapped in Afghanistan without a corkscrew. We were forced to live on food and water for several days."

Wayne Jeffers
02-03-2002, 11:52 AM
'Shine. You had to bring that up, didn't ya, Mike.

I've tried a bit of it in the earlier days. Some of the worst liquor I've ever had. Some of the best, too. Depends.

The good stuff: I had a fraternity brother who was from the Davis area (base of the Eastern Panhandle.) He once brought up some 'shine he said was made in a still in a big limestone cave over in that part of the state. Said it was a huge operation. Big hog farm. Stored the stuff in a barn. Semi's would back up to the barn to load up. They fed the leavin's from the mash to the hogs. Hogs loved it. Said the fellow supplied a number of Congressmen. They made the shine from whatever was in season. The stuff I tried was made from peaches. I forget now what he said it proofed out at, but it was potent. Anyhow, this stuff was so smooth, you could drink it right down from the bottle, like water. Smooth as silk. I've tasted no better liquor.

I've also tried some stuff that should have been reserved exclusively for the chronic alcoholic who has no concern what he drinks, so long as it won't make him go blind. Yuck!


Jim H
03-15-2004, 11:41 AM
Too many trolls Jeff. Their behavior is a type of vanity.