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Rocky
02-26-2003, 11:11 AM
The New York Review of Books March 13, 2003

The Wrong War
By Avishai Margalit

At this writing it seems certain that there will be a war in Iraq. It is the wrong war to fight. I am not waiting for the next report of Hans Blix: I already believe that Iraq is hiding chemical and biological weapons. I also believe that it is hiding a few dozen missiles in western Iraq. Yet, while holding these beliefs, I still maintain that this is the wrong war.

If you were to ask American officials after September 11 what the enemy is, you would hear three different answers: world terrorism, weapons of mass destruction in the hands of evildoers like Saddam Hussein, and radical Islam of the sort promoted by Osama bin Laden. I believe that the muddleheadedness in the American thinking about the war against Iraq comes from conflating these three answers as if somehow they were one and the same. In fact they are very different, with very different and incompatible practical implications.

In my view radical Islam of the sort promoted by bin Laden is and should be regarded as the enemy. And fighting Saddam Hussein will greatly help this enemy rather than set him back. This will be true even if the war is successful, let alone if it turns out to be unsuccessful.

The Islamic world, which consists of a seventh of the world's population, is on the verge of what in the old-fashioned jargon was called a "revolutionary situation." Lenin characterized the revolutionary situation as one in which the masses can't stand the regime anymore, and the regime finds it very hard to control them. In almost all the Islamic countries, over 50 percent of the population is made up of young people under eighteen. Their prospects in life are very bleak, and yet they have a sense of a glittering life elsewhere that comes mostly from the Western press, television, movies, and the Internet. This makes the gap between their prospects and their dreams very painful.

There are two ways to go about dealing with this explosive gap. The first is to enhance the economic prospects of people in the Islamic world and work for a better life for them, and the second is to change people's expectations of life by changing their notion of what constitutes the good life. Secular ideologies work on real-life prospects, while religious ideologies work on dreams. And when secular ideologies fail, as they have so miserably in the Islamic countries, the attraction of the dreams encouraged by religious ideologies increases many times over.

Radical Islam is making a revolutionary bid for the allegiance of the Islamic world. The attempts of its leaders to increase their following comes in two versions. There is the "Stalinist" version, which is a revolution in one country of the sort successfully made by Khomeini in Iran. A successful Islamic revolution in a major country would, or so it is hoped, serve as a model for revolutions in other Islamic countries. And then there is a "Trotskyite" version of the Islamic revolution, which aims to export the revolution to the entire Islamic world right away.

Bin Laden is trying to promote a permanent and universal Islamic revolution. The idea is to use terror as propaganda: to stage spectacular actions such as the attack on the "Babylonian" towers of Manhattan, the emblem of the idolatrous American shrines. The aim is certainly not to convert America to Islam. It is rather to recruit a large revolutionary cadre that will eventually take over the Islamic world, starting perhaps on the holy ground of Arabia and getting rid of what is seen as phony and compromised Wahhabism there, and then spreading a new and revitalized puritanical Wahhabism throughout the Islamic world.

Terror as propaganda-by-action counts on one thing: the overreaction of its victims. Out of anger and frustration the victims will respond by punishing bystanders, who will react by becoming more radical in their feelings and more susceptible to recruitment. Fighting terror is a delicate matter, and there is little sign that it has been understood in Washington. The war in Afghanistan notwithstanding, the war against terror is not a conventional war in which one can assign well-defined targets for the US Air Force to hit. It is also not a police operation, such as fighting the mafia. It is something in between, and this calls for a different strategy. But the last thing one should do is fall for "the fallacy of the instrument," namely to use the instrument you know how to use just because it is the only instrument you know how to use.

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I shall say something briefly about how the right battle should be fought, with the right instruments. But I want first to address the issue of how the wrong war should be avoided.

Most of the regimes in the Arab world are what I call mukhabarat regimes. "Mukhabarat" is the Arabic term for intelligence services, but it is the generic term for the entire apparatus of internal security services. So a mukhabarat regime is a regime run by the internal security forces, largely in its own interests. It does not matter whether the ruler is called a king or a president (who may be elected by 99 percent of the population); the regime is still a mukhabarat regime, concerning itself mostly with staying in power. There are, to be sure, differences in the degree of brutality and sophistication among the various mukhabarat regimes; Saddam's is perhaps the most oppressive.

Whatever cynical use of religious propaganda has been made by Saddam throughout his long battle with Khomeini or during his current struggle against Israel, his regime is brutally secular. His mukhabarat people may see radical Islamists, and may harbor some of them, but they meet them mainly in his wretched prisons. Bin Laden himself, while supporting in his recent broadcast the Muslims of Iraq against "America and its allies," also said that "socialists are infidels," whether in "Baghdad or Aden." Whether Saddam is a cynic or not, is he capable of supplying bin Laden's organizations with the chemical and biological weapons that I believe he has?

Saddam Hussein is bad, but he is not entirely mad. More than anything else he wants to stay in power. Given the fact that he is constantly being watched, he would be mad to put his fate in the hands of a lieutenant of bin Laden by collaborating with al-Qaeda just for the purposes of taking revenge on the Americans. The issue about weapons of mass destruction does not turn on the morality of Saddam Hussein but on his rationality. More than a few other regimes would provide bin Laden with chemical and biological weapons before Saddam would.

Bush has made it clear that he would not take "yes" from Saddam as an answer to his demand for disarmament, and he wants to attack Iraq come what may. Had Saddam provided Hans Blix with an accurate list of his weapons it would likely have been taken as a sign that the list was only "the tip of the iceberg" and that he was hiding far more. There is no way for Saddam to get it right with the Americans—unless he were to abdicate. Pushed into a corner, he may be tempted, as his final legacy, to use his biological and chemical weapons, mainly against Israel. This would not be an easy thing to do, but it is a genuine possibility. I find it puzzling that my fellow Israelis find the temptation to support this war irresistible. Given the immediate danger to Israel, it is a temptation Israelis should resist in their own interest.

There is very little patience now with moral commentators concerned about the damage a war will do to the Iraqi people. But recall that as a result of the Gulf War, which seemed to most of the world a huge video game, some 150,000 Iraqi civilians were killed. One can only guess how many civilians will be killed as a result of the coming war, but there will be many, and this is another good reason to spare the Iraqis from liberation by guided missiles.

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As for the "right" war, it should respond to an Islamic world on the verge of a "revolutionary situation." This, rather than terror, is the main problem that the world faces today; terror is a nasty symptom of this situation. The global economy has torn apart the social and economic safety nets in Islamic societies. In many countries it was left to Islamist political organizations, whether in Egypt, Pakistan, Gaza, or elsewhere, to provide a safety net: this too became propaganda-by-action, and often successful action at that. I find it hard to believe that any ideology, except some benign version of Islam, can successfully compete both against the mukhabarat regimes and against the menacing Islamism of bin Laden. The ideology that will address both the prospects and the dreams of the people in these countries cannot be imposed or manipulated from the outside; but it can and should be helped from the outside.

This is for the long run. In the short run we face bin Ladenism, which has no single territorial base, although it has concealed bases in different parts of the world. This is the enemy, as bin Laden made clear in his recent broadcast. And as difficult and frustrating as it is, it should be targeted carefully and locally rather than globally. The governing principle should be: Do not overreact. Acting against Iraq is a glaring example of overreacting.

—Jerusalem, February 13, 2003

LeeG
02-26-2003, 11:34 AM
This is the line of thinking that makes sense to me. The west had it's generation gap in the 60's between the WWII generation and ours, children of relative wealth (compared to our parents who grew out of the depression) grew/differentiated with civil rights, the pill, personal/sexual/role "revolutions", the war, hedonism, and god knows what else I can remember. In the Middle East the generation gaps and crisis of growth bring a different set of circumstances between generations and classes,,but without means for dissent. Secular or Islamic mukhabarat with high unemployement in Saudi Arabia or high percentages of young people in other countries without means for dissent make OBL possible. Occupying iraq doesn't change that.
We all know we aren't another mukhabarat,,,but a relationship takes two and if one person is ready to see the worst in you it's awfully hard to prove them wrong unless you've got a lot at stake. Occupying Iraq seems like one way to have a lot at stake.

Scott Rosen
02-26-2003, 12:32 PM
Fighting terror is a delicate matter, and there is little sign that it has been understood in Washington. That's a hoot. An Israeli dove telling Americans that they don't understand the fight against terror. No country has been worse at fighting terror than Israel. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

But the last thing one should do is fall for "the fallacy of the instrument," namely to use the instrument you know how to use just because it is the only instrument you know how to use.
This person has obviously never built a boat. We boat builders (of any level) know that you have to find a way to get the job done with only the tools at your disposal. Wishing for tools that don't exist or that you don't know how to use is a pointless waste of time.

I respect anyone's right to their viewpoint, but for an Israeli dove to try to tell the US how to run the war on terror is ridiculous.

thechemist
02-26-2003, 12:57 PM
There is not a right war and a wrong war.

There is more than one right war.

The points made by the author as regards the necessity of doing something about insane tyrants, psychotic evildoers who pervert religion to their own ends, are good points.

Those people are Antisocial Personalities. They are insane. They are psychotic [same thing, really]. It matters not whether those insane beings are Heads of State, or outlaws. They need to be tracked down and rendered powerless, so that they do not stop the majority of people, the Social Personalities of the planet, from getting on with living peaceful and productive lives.

There is more than one country ruled by an insane being.

There is more than one insane outlaw.

There is more than one right war.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 12:58 PM
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But the last thing one should do is fall for "the fallacy of the instrument," namely to use the instrument you know how to use just because it is the only instrument you know how to use.
This person has obviously never built a boat. We boat builders (of any level) know that you have to find a way to get the job done with only the tools at your disposal. Wishing for tools that don't exist or that you don't know how to use is a pointless waste of time.

I respect anyone's right to their viewpoint, but for an Israeli dove to try to tell the US how to run the war on terror is ridiculous.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Scott,,given that an Israili of ANY political stripe has lived with more terrorism than most US citizens you're simply characterizing him but not his argument,,deal with the ideas. I would think the REALITY of being an israeli would carry a hell of a lot more weight than the label of pacifist. He is not advocating pacifism.
Regarding metaphors, ie. the fallacy of the instrument,,there are lots of folks who would use a crescent wrench for a hammer. It works but no one is going to lend you their tools when you're in need.
The US is in need when terrorism comes from the other side of the planet and not just from locally grown wackos.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 01:00 PM
chemist, how many right wars can we engage in?

Scott Rosen
02-26-2003, 01:14 PM
I am responding to his statement that "fighting terror has been little understood in Washington."

I think a case can be made that Washington has done an excellent job of protecting America from terror. Given the size of the US and the freedom and ease of movement, it's nothing short of amazing that we haven't been victimized more by terror. No doubt the Israelis have experienced more terror than any other free nation. And no doubt they have learned very well to survive the psychological trauma. However, they have not found a solution, and there is no great consensus in Israel on how to fight terror effectively. They have limited freedom of movement and privacy to a degree unthinkable in America; yet still the terror continues. When they moved to the left and opened the borders and talked peace and compromise--the terror continued then as well.

Mr. Margalit says Washington isn't good at it, but then offers nothing to back it up. Good compared to what? Compared to Margalit's country, the US is doing just fine.

Rocky
02-26-2003, 01:21 PM
Well shut my mouth, Scott! That's about the LAST thing I thought you would say!

Maybe we think we're good at fighting terrorism because we haven't had much, relatively speaking. And you're right, it seems Israel has tried every approach under the sun with no discernable effect.

Scott Rosen
02-26-2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Rocky:
it seems Israel has tried every approach under the sun with no discernable effect.Maybe, contrary to what Mr. Margalit says, the effect of the US asserting its interests in Iraq in a way that has a positive effect on the lives of huge numbers of Arabs will so change the "facts on the ground," that the terror equation will start to change.

That's what Bush is thinking, anyway.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 01:39 PM
Scott, I think nearly everyone does the best job they can when presented with a clear and present challenge. Afghanistan looked like an aggressive and effective method of dealing with terrorism along with the multiplicity of military assistance to the dictator or democracy of the moment. Occupying iraq provides a good example of muddle headed thinking as a means to suppress or contain terrorism. Anarchy and terrorism is anti-gov't. Iraq is a country with a gov't. The world wide support for terrorism resides within our allies as much as our enemies. Losing support of our allies looks like hammering with a crescent wrench and cutting planks with a hatchet. 150,000 dead Iraqis was the justifiable toll for stopping a dangerous dictator, the region supported the US which was pretty amazing. OBL found support in the region out of the success of the gulf war. If we don't occupy and make good on this conquest then we're in even deeeeeeper doo doo. It's the depth of the committment to taking over Iraq that gets to me. This is not a military excursion to occupying a hill or territory. This is occupation. Occupation was not on the map 6-12 months ago. But it is now. This looks as big as vietnam but spread out over more territory and countries. Maybe that's what the prez. and others keep saying, this will be with us for the long haul.

Rocky
02-26-2003, 01:41 PM
My brother feels a more nakedly imperialistic approach might be more productive, that we should stop pretending to be humanitarians and start saying we're doing this for OUR own good! Might have a point, at least there'd be less hypocrisy and mistrust. But that won't address the failed expectations of the secular Moslem nations. Still I wonder just how failed they are. All of them seem to be doing OK economically, maybe not as well as they think they should.

Scott Rosen
02-26-2003, 01:45 PM
By the way, I would like to see some back-up for Margalit's statement that the Gulf War killed 150,000 Iraqi civilians. That's the first time I've heard that, and I don't think it's true.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Scott Rosen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rocky:
it seems Israel has tried every approach under the sun with no discernable effect.Maybe, contrary to what Mr. Margalit says, the effect of the US asserting its interests in Iraq in a way that has a positive effect on the lives of huge numbers of Arabs will so change the "facts on the ground," that the terror equation will start to change.

That's what Bush is thinking, anyway.</font>[/QUOTE]Or Rumsfield, Cheney and Wolfowitz. The point the author and others might give is that the US is treating "Arabs" as a monolithic group. Like thinking that our prez. is the principle guiding force of US foreign policy. I hope it all works .

LeeG
02-26-2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Scott Rosen:
By the way, I would like to see some back-up for Margalit's statement that the Gulf War killed 150,000 Iraqi civilians. That's the first time I've heard that, and I don't think it's true.tell you what Scott,,since you find fault with the number why don't you find some estimates on the death toll of the Gulf War. I mean only a few dozen US soldiers died with no lingering effects after that. It's not possible for Iraq to have had than many people die,, I mean they weren't soldiers. Go for it, do a little research.

Donn
02-26-2003, 02:02 PM
Not surprisingly, it isn't an easy subject to research..but here is a snippet from a study sponsored by Greenpeace.

"In a subsequent 1993 study funded by Greenpeace, Daponte updated and publicly presented her analysis of the Gulf War, raising the total Iraqi death count to 205,000. She estimated that 56,000 Iraqi soldiers and 3,500 civilians were killed during the war, and that another 35,000 died as Saddam Hussein crushed Kurdish and Shiite rebellions that rose up after the United States stopped fighting. The largest number of deaths -- 111,000 -- Daponte attributed to "postwar adverse health effects.""

Link (http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030216casualty0216p5.asp)

Scott Rosen
02-26-2003, 02:50 PM
Thanks, Donn. Reading the article, it appears that the Greenpeace estimate is way, way out of line with other estimates, primarily because of the "deaths from postwar adverse health effects." Her estimate is based solely on extrapolation from infant mortality rates pre- and post-war. Most people agree that direct civilial casualties were in the 1000 to 3000 range. The Iraqi government itself claims that 2,278 civilians were killed. That's a far cry from the 150,000 sited above. I quote, in part:

Daponte took her figure for combat deaths during the war from Arkin, a former Army intelligence officer. His estimate was in line with an early Defense Intelligence Agency estimate of 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqi battlefield deaths, but substantially higher than the current consensus among military experts of 10,000 to 20,000 Iraqi soldiers and 1,000 to 2,000 civilians killed.

Estimates by experts at the National Defense University in Washington, D.C., at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, and by an air power survey headed by Johns Hopkins University Prof. Eliot Cohen put the number of Iraqi soldiers killed at 20,000 to 25,000, and the number of civilian deaths at 1,000 to 3,000. The Iraqi government claims 2,278 civilians were killed during the war.

Two scholars think actual Iraqi battlefield deaths were much lower. In a 1993 paper, former DIA analyst John Heidenrich estimated that only about 1,500 Iraqi soldiers, and fewer than 1,000 civilians were killed during the war. Working independently, John Mueller, a political science professor at Ohio State University, came to a similar conclusion.

Heidenrich and Mueller based their conclusions on the low number of Iraqi bodies found by American forces (577), the low number of wounded Iraqis captured by Allied forces (2,000), and extrapolation from the maximum crew size of Iraqi tanks and armored personnel carriers destroyed during the war.

DaPonte estimated indirect casualties by calculating the difference between the number of "expected" deaths among various demographic groups in Iraq, and actual mortality rates. For instance, had there been no war, the infant mortality rate for Iraq for 1992 would have been about 37 deaths per 1,000 live births. The actual rate, according to a survey conducted by the International Study Team of Harvard University, was 93.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 03:46 PM
Donn, you're right it is hard to find numbers,,that seems way too odd. Ok, so it's around 25,000-30,000 battle field deaths according to the latest think tanks, Daponte has it at 60,000. Now she included the Saddam inspired deaths on the Kurds and Shiites at 35,000 with another analyst putting it higher at 60,000-80,000. We don't care about the Kurds or Shiites so let's leave them out.
Now here's the hard one to figure, interpolated data from mortality figures. That's where the 100,000 post war casualties come from.
Ok I say let's cut that number in half, maybe some of the old folks and babies would have died anyway without the war. But there was a cessation in utilities, medicine so there must have been an effect. And assuming the mortality figures are valid they do represent someone dieing. Not as spectacular as a bullet but the weak do die faster than the young when food, medicine, water and shelter are reduced significantly. From my reading post war Iraq had food, utilities and medicine reduced.
So a low 25,000 plus a half post war death figure of 50,000 gives 75,000.
There you go Scott, a conservative 75,000.
And we're going to be back for years.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 03:53 PM
Scott, what do you think makes the discrepancy between misc. ngo analysts (not greenpeace) of 20,000-25,000 and the military analysts an estimate of 10,000-20,000.
It's kind of amazing isn't it? We KNOW how many died in the WTC, we KNOW how many died in Vietnam. Why don't we KNOW how many Iraqi died in Iraq? How is this possible? Do the Iraqi not know when their brother died? There can't be that many unknown vietnam deaths that could make the US say "45,000-75,000 US service personel died in Vietnam". But we have estimates. How very odd.

John Bell
02-26-2003, 03:59 PM
OK, the guy who wrote the column is suggesting we win the hearts and minds of the Islamic street by supporting (read: pouring money) into some unknown, possibly non-existent benign inside influence to overcome the radical elements that are sweeping Islam today?

What a great plan! :rolleyes:

LeeG
02-26-2003, 04:08 PM
Scott, so it sounds that the 150,000 figure is too imprecise. Only 2278 Iraqis, 10-30,000 soldiers, and a vague number of infants children and elderly that show up as a number in the census but we really don't know along with a high figure of Kurds and Shiites that is larger than Iraqi soldier deaths. Still is a mystery how we know that 55,000 died in Vietnam but no one knows how many Iraqi died. Truly this is odd.

LeeG
02-26-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by John Bell:
OK, the guy who wrote the column is suggesting we win the hearts and minds of the Islamic street by supporting (read: pouring money) into some unknown, possibly non-existent benign inside influence to overcome the radical elements that are sweeping Islam today?

What a great plan! :rolleyes: I missed that part,,could you point it out?

Rocky
02-26-2003, 04:19 PM
One thing the Islamic radicals lack is the vision of a new society that drove the early Communists. Bin Laden's idea of a panislamic state is not new - remember the UAR? - nor is the idea of a theocracy a la Khomeni. So all they really have to fall back on is regime change, reform, and xenophobia - and hatred for Israel, of course - where would they be without it? The new Islamic man still has to go to work, feed his children, and pave the streets, but he's not building a glorious future, just an ordinary one. The Islamic future may be in Iran.

[ 02-27-2003, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Rocky ]

John of Phoenix
02-26-2003, 04:33 PM
As some sage once said, "If there was an easy solution, this wouldn't be a problem would it." The problem as I see it is, "How do we stem the rising tide of radical Islam and its associated terrorism." At first, I thought the two issues might be separate, but they're linked at the hip. After all, you don't see radical Icelanders or fanatical Buddhists in the news, now do you.

So what does invading Iraq and/or removing SH do to further our objective? Does it hinder our purpose?

Iraq is not al Qaeda. Hussein is not bin Laden.

thechemist
02-26-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
Scott, so it sounds that the 150,000 figure is too imprecise. Only 2278 Iraqis, 10-30,000 soldiers, and a vague number of infants children and elderly that show up as a number in the census but we really don't know along with a high figure of Kurds and Shiites that is larger than Iraqi soldier deaths. Still is a mystery how we know that 55,000 died in Vietnam but no one knows how many Iraqi died. Truly this is odd.It's not odd at all.

We CARE about our people, dead or alive. We counted our own dead in Vietnam, and may even have been in a position to count enemy dead on battlefields where the enemy did not cary off their own dead.

The present Iraqui governmend does not give a DAMN about their own people, for they have none outside of a few from one town. Saddam Hussein believes firmly than anyone not from his home town of Tikrit is not one of his own people. As far as he is concerned, they would all be better off [for him] dead, so why should he count? Any numbers he invents are invented solely to sell on the street, to make himself right by pretending to be a victim, by accusing others of killing "his" people.

thechemist
02-26-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
chemist, how many right wars can we engage in?As many as necessary to stop those who actively promote evil and suppression of others as the solution to their own personal survival.

You mean, how many at one time?

Depends on how big they are. Probably 1.5 to 2 major wars and innumerable small covert operations or special-ops activities. We can go after lots of outlaws at one time, in lots of separate operations.

Look at it this way: Someone has to take responsibility for putting order into the environment. Just because we have kept the U. S. in sufficiently good order that we have had minimal terrorist activity here does not mean that we should ignore the rest of a planet and assume others will take responsibility for it.

We happen not to be a nation of criminals, run by criminals, although we have allowed too many to flourish and prosper here [Enron, and others].

Too many other countries are run by criminals, or have governments overwhelmingly influenced by criminals.

Too many wars and genocidal massacres have gone on for too long because " The International Community" was too apathetic to get involved, and because multinational corporations made too much money doing business with corrupt governments and paying off their own.

When you see a corporation continuing to do business with criminals who happen to be in charge of a country at the moment, you will find hidden crimes being committed by that corporation there and elsewhere.

Wehn you find a country refusing to lift a finger to stop a genocidal war [Rwanda, and elsewhere] you will find that government committing hidden crimes, there and elsewhere.

There are far more criminals in positions of power than you realize.

DavesFlatsBoat
02-26-2003, 05:48 PM
Wow in 1991 in 6 weeks of bombing the bat squeeze out of Iraq with about 90% dumb bombs we killed less civilians than a bunch of mad Arabs did in 90 minutes in 2001.

Sure, lets give the dictator time to pass out some of that high-octane Human RAID.

Just an observation! :eek:

LeeG
02-26-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by DavesFlatsBoat:
Wow in 1991 in 6 weeks of bombing the bat squeeze out of Iraq with about 90% dumb bombs we killed less civilians than a bunch of mad Arabs did in 90 minutes in 2001.

Sure, lets give the dictator time to pass out some of that high-octane Human RAID.

Just an observation! :eek: Yep, direct civilian casualties weren't that great. And when you think about it the indeterminate number of civilian deaths and military deaths by their sheer indeterminateness renders them null. Hell if they can't count their own dead why should that matter to an occupying force?

Art Read
02-27-2003, 09:50 AM
" Editorials & Opinion: Sunday, February 23, 2003

The Seattle Times

The just war against Saddam

Within weeks, the United States and its allies could be at war inside Iraq. That war — if it comes — will be a just action, taken by a president who has reached the boundaries of diplomacy and moved to prevent further attacks on the world's democracies.

Endorsing a preemptive war will not sit well with some readers of these pages, but it will match the general mood of the country, which, in poll after poll, has shown the willingness of a majority of often-quiet Americans to support President Bush and his administration.

Entering Iraq is hardly a desirable act. It has become necessary. The longer democracies wait, the more emboldened are its enemies.

If protest to Saddam Hussein's war — for that is how it should accurately be described — were available on the streets of Baghdad, perhaps the true feelings of the Iraqi people could be measured. But dictatorship does not allow for free expression and so we are left with a healthy debate within the democratic nations.

At home, the protests to war are welcome and necessary to the larger debate about our country and its role in the world. In the end, they do not constitute a policy that will free democracy of its fearsome enemies.

And enemies there are. Indeed, the missteps of the Iraq confrontation are not from the protesters against military intervention or the hawks calling for war, but from the larger indifference to Saddam Hussein from countries that should know better. Indifference causes war to happen when murderous dictators rise — whether in Germany, Cambodia, Yugoslavia or the Middle East.

Bush can act with the lawful authority of Congress granted to him last fall, and the more-recent United Nations Resolution 1441. He may obtain further legal and moral authority from the U.N. Security Council or NATO, or from more countries willing to join the dozens now with us. The governments of a majority of European countries and a majority of NATO members are supporters of the United States.

Ultimately, we understand Bush's real authority comes from the American people. Before he acts, he must go before us another time and tell us why we can no longer delay.

For some, the case to depose Saddam can never be made. For those critics, it's not a matter of waiting for more information, but of waiting forever. For months, we have made the case on this page that inspections are the way to peel the Iraqi onion. But that hope has been turned into a charade by a dictator buying time to do more harm. As chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix said, "... The principal problem is not the number of inspectors but the active participation of the Iraqi side."

As recently as four days ago, inspectors said again that Saddam is defying the United Nations. The question clearly emerges: If there is endless elusiveness to Iraqi cooperation with weapons inspectors, what is the alternative?

Secretary of State Colin Powell has been making the case for forceful action. A cumulative tonnage of evidence has been tallied. Mobile biochemical labs, Iraqi sleight of hand with inspection sites, satellite photos, intercepted radio messages that eavesdrop on Iraqi plans to deceive inspectors are part of the evidence. Do they constitute a true bill indicting Saddam? For some, no. For Powell, emphatically, yes.

Saddam Hussein is not disposed to bare his country to U.N. inspectors, nor will the dictator be content until his power is restored to further threaten the region, and by automatic extension, the interlocking world.

The protests and marches about oil, or American dominance, about Bush or even the fulminating French miss the magnitude of the granite face of the threat we face after Sept. 11, 2001. Our world is far different than the one in which the first Gulf War erupted — begun, ruinously to his country, by Saddam Hussein.

In this hard-faced world we inhabit, it is the idea of democracy that is under attack, something fiercely and brilliantly articulated by British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Speaking in Glasgow, Blair said, "If there are 500,000 on that march, that is still less than the number of people whose deaths Saddam has been responsible for. If there are 1 million, that is still less than the number of people who died in the wars he started.

"Ridding the world of Saddam would be an act of humanity. It is leaving him there that is inhumane. That is why I do not shrink from military action should that, indeed, become necessary."

Will it be necessary? We don't know, as the debate within the democracies continues and diplomacy shuffles along. But should war come, it will be justifiable and a just end to Saddam Hussein."

Donn
02-27-2003, 10:01 AM
That sums it up for me. Thanks Art.

Scott Rosen
02-27-2003, 10:08 AM
Me too. Thank you Art.

LeeG
02-27-2003, 10:16 AM
the ship is too big to change course now. There is evil "out there" we must protect from. The ocean is so big and their ways too strange. Iraqi, Afghani, Uzbeki, Zadzeki, Rotelli.
Send lawyers guns and money. Stan,,I don't think our hot dog stand will be going up. But I do see more Persian restaurants here in town. Let the grandkids take care of the blowback. I predict more light hearted musicals this year.

thechemist
02-27-2003, 05:47 PM
Thanks, Art.

That was excellent.

Meerkat
02-27-2003, 05:58 PM
According to recent poles, the majority (56%) of American citizens favor a war in Iraq only with UN sanction. Those who support unilateral action are in the minority at 47%. Not much, but it's enough to win or lose an election.

The legality of Congress' "declaration" of war is dubious at best. According to treaties we are signatory to (and which thus supercede American law per the Constitution), only states may be declared belligerents and not peoples. BTW, I would like to see the text of the joint resolution of Congress that actually declared war on anything or anybody since 1941. It doesn't exist.

[ 02-27-2003, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Art Read
02-28-2003, 02:15 AM
I usually view opinion pieces with a wary eye. Especially the "syndicated" type with the byline of some writer with a reputation to make, keep or polish. But this, published under the paper's own editorial byline, grabbed my attention. Even more so, coming from this typical "conservative/reactionary" bastion, Seattle! ;)

Meerkat
02-28-2003, 02:59 AM
Art; conservative/reactionary bastion Seattle? Surely you jest? I don't think they hold that opinion S. of Olympia (if not S. of Tacoma!) or east of the Cascades or on the Oly Penninsula!

Art Read
02-28-2003, 03:17 AM
You must have missed the little "wink" I put up there, Meer...